I guess the DNC loves God as well now & other 2012 DNC news.

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**d-usa**

Seems like the RNC and the DNC have more in common that they would probably like to admit. Pushing rules and resolutions that are wanted by the establishment over objections and actual votes by the delegates.

**whembly**

d-usa wrote:
Seems like the RNC and the DNC have more in common that they would probably like to admit. Pushing rules and resolutions that are wanted by the establishment over objections and actual votes by the delegates.

Yup... was going to say the same thing...

Does anyone think these convention are really necessary though? Seems a waste of money that can be better spent elsewhere (compaign, grassroots, ect...)

**CT GAMER**

Frazzled wrote:

maybe their hopeful God will smote the heretics, thus making the election much, much easier.

If god existed and was in the mood to smote people deserving of his wrath I think some of the people twisting his word so blatantly in the name of christo-conservatism and committing all manner of sins themselevs would be some of the first ones smoted.

Lucky for them (unfortunately) we all know there will be no smoting...

**Jihadin**

Zues will not strike me down for I am a warrior for Zues

**CT GAMER**

Jihadin wrote:
Zues will not strike me down for I am a warrior for Zues

I love my mommy:

**d-usa**

I just have to throw this in a post somewhere:

Talking to pure idiots on facebook makes me appreciate Dakka OT and recognize it for the bastion of enlightenment that it is.

**J-Roc77**

d-usa wrote:
I just have to throw this in a post somewhere:

Talking to pure idiots on facebook makes me appreciate Dakka OT and recognize it for the bastion of enlightenment that it is.

Kind of funny. I have recently (within the last year) gotten my wife to read some of the OT threads here for examples of argumentation (she teaches English) and she had similar feelings. She feels it is "geek culture" that elevates the discussions beyond the rhetoric on other sites or networks like Facebook, however some other "geek culture" sites I belong to may prove that idea to be a pretty broad brush.

**Mannahnin**

This is pretty sad. This kind of authoritarian action over the delegates is bs.

Jihadin wrote:
Zues will not strike me down for I am a warrior for Zues

You should learn to spell his name right, though.

**Jihadin**

He's the forgiven sort. I sacrifice the occasional beer to him.

**Mannahnin**

"Forgiving"? Maybe tolerant is the better word.

Or too busy out getting laid in the form of a bull.

**Jihadin**

But he forgives all Manny....wait...wrong God...

**Mannahnin**

You've got to get past a lot of preconceptions about deity if you're going to go from a Judeo-Christian background to paganism.

**Jihadin**

Working on it Working on it.

**Frazzled**

whembly wrote:
Oh wow... did any of you see what happened with the voting delegates? I just saw on CNN that after THREE tries LA Mayor and convention Chairman Antonio Villaraigosa just claims it passed when it clearly didn't. Mayor Villarigosa was stunned...

Godless commie treehuggers overruled by the party elite who realizes they might suddenly lose the election, LIVE!

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Jihadin wrote:
He's the forgiven sort. I sacrifice the occasional beer to him.

Gulp
For Zeus
Gulp
For victory!!!
Gulp gulp gulp

**Jihadin**

The young Texas mayor whose keynote speech wowed the Democratic National Convention crowd Wednesday night draws political inspiration from his mother – who is a member of a radical civil rights movement and who reportedly thinks the truth behind the Battle of the Alamo is that Texans swiped Mexico’s land.

Maria del Rosario Castro, the mother of San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro, said in 2010 that she grew up being told the battle was “glorious,” only to learn the so-called heroes were really “a bunch of drunks and crooks and slaveholding imperialists who conquered land that didn’t belong to them.”

“But as a little girl I got the message -- we were losers,” she told New York Times Magazine. “I can truly say that I hate that place and everything it stands for.”

The Alamo, then a sprawling mission for missionaries and American Indian converts, was attacked in February 1836 by Mexican General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna. Though historical accounts vary, Texans, including famous frontiersman Davy Crockett, fought back for 13 days only to surrender, on March 6.

Might as well get Frazz all frazzled up.

**whembly**

uh.. what?

We stole Tejas?

**Frazzled**

Jihadin wrote:
The young Texas mayor whose keynote speech wowed the Democratic National Convention crowd Wednesday night draws political inspiration from his mother – who is a member of a radical civil rights movement and who reportedly thinks the truth behind the Battle of the Alamo is that Texans swiped Mexico’s land.

Maria del Rosario Castro, the mother of San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro, said in 2010 that she grew up being told the battle was “glorious,” only to learn the so-called heroes were really “a bunch of drunks and crooks and slaveholding imperialists who conquered land that didn’t belong to them.”

“But as a little girl I got the message -- we were losers,” she told New York Times Magazine. “I can truly say that I hate that place and everything it stands for.”

The Alamo, then a sprawling mission for missionaries and American Indian converts, was attacked in February 1836 by Mexican General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna. Though historical accounts vary, Texans, including famous frontiersman Davy Crockett, fought back for 13 days only to surrender, on March 6.

Might as well get Frazz all frazzled up.

typical San Antonio mayor. free men destroyed a dictator. Nuff said.

**Mannahnin**

Some good speakers tonight (and a few duds). Sandra Fluke was surprisingly awesome.

**youbedead**

Frazzled wrote:
Jihadin wrote:
The young Texas mayor whose keynote speech wowed the Democratic National Convention crowd Wednesday night draws political inspiration from his mother – who is a member of a radical civil rights movement and who reportedly thinks the truth behind the Battle of the Alamo is that Texans swiped Mexico’s land.

Maria del Rosario Castro, the mother of San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro, said in 2010 that she grew up being told the battle was “glorious,” only to learn the so-called heroes were really “a bunch of drunks and crooks and slaveholding imperialists who conquered land that didn’t belong to them.”

“But as a little girl I got the message -- we were losers,” she told New York Times Magazine. “I can truly say that I hate that place and everything it stands for.”

The Alamo, then a sprawling mission for missionaries and American Indian converts, was attacked in February 1836 by Mexican General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna. Though historical accounts vary, Texans, including famous frontiersman Davy Crockett, fought back for 13 days only to surrender, on March 6.

Might as well get Frazz all frazzled up.

typical San Antonio mayor. free men destroyed a dictator. Nuff said.

I would like to point out thats his mom, not him

**whembly**

youbedead wrote:

Spoiler:

Frazzled wrote:
Jihadin wrote:
The young Texas mayor whose keynote speech wowed the Democratic National Convention crowd Wednesday night draws political inspiration from his mother – who is a member of a radical civil rights movement and who reportedly thinks the truth behind the Battle of the Alamo is that Texans swiped Mexico’s land.

Maria del Rosario Castro, the mother of San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro, said in 2010 that she grew up being told the battle was “glorious,” only to learn the so-called heroes were really “a bunch of drunks and crooks and slaveholding imperialists who conquered land that didn’t belong to them.”

“But as a little girl I got the message -- we were losers,” she told New York Times Magazine. “I can truly say that I hate that place and everything it stands for.”

The Alamo, then a sprawling mission for missionaries and American Indian converts, was attacked in February 1836 by Mexican General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna. Though historical accounts vary, Texans, including famous frontiersman Davy Crockett, fought back for 13 days only to surrender, on March 6.

Might as well get Frazz all frazzled up.

typical San Antonio mayor. free men destroyed a dictator. Nuff said.

I would like to point out thats his mom, not him

Yeah... good point.

Who hasn't thought that their parents were crazy?

**sebster**

Squigsquasher wrote:
Who honestly cares? Myself I think there should be a law that legal policy must not be influenced in any way by religion.

That's not really possible, though. I mean, how do you seperate a moral conviction with a religious backing, such as Thou Shalt Not Kill, from something that is purely religious?

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Chongara wrote:
Frankly it strikes me as a mistake. Why would you not include an omnipotent, omniscient, supreme lord of all time and space in your platform? Sounds like somebody you want on your side to me.

According to Rush Limbaugh Obama controls the weather, so it sounds like they don't need any puny Christian God.

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AustonT wrote:
272 Trillion times, by a president, while in office, limited to the first four years.

And GW Bush was so close!

**whembly**

@sebster: puny? (say that in Hulk's voice).

I'd still say it isn't really necessary, or at least have some generic plithy respect to religious freedoms.

**sebster**

Cheesecat wrote:
But why make God an important part of you party platform in the first place? A representative democracy is supposed to represent values of the people do you think Atheists, Agnostics, religions that don't believe in God, etc might feel there views aren't being represented in the GOP if

God is important in there platform, wouldn't it make more sense to make a more neutral platform so they don't risk alienating some of the voter base and potentially losing more votes. Don't you want more votes in an election?

US politics aren't about broad bases, and haven't been for a while now. It's about getting enthusiasm among specific demographics aligned to your party. In 2008 the Republicans got beat because 30 million Evangelicals stayed home. The standard Republican answer to that is to say Jesus lots of times.

**Mannahnin**

Warren was very good, and Clinton's rockin' it now.

**sebster**

whembly wrote:
Does anyone think these convention are really necessary though? Seems a waste of money that can be better spent elsewhere (compaign, grassroots, ect...)

It seems the conventions have become too stage managed and too professional for their own good.

**Jihadin**

Isn't it like...tradition

**Mannahnin**

I think they still are a useful place for each party to articulate their message on a public stage in a defined space and time; hopefully with some good speakers.

**whembly**

Mannahnin wrote:
Warren was very good, and Clinton's rockin' it now.

Warren was a Zzzzzzzzzzzfest

...

Clinton on the other hand can still bring it... yeah, he's rocking it.

**Melissia**

whembly wrote:
uh.. what?

We stole Tejas?

Technically, we did.

I'm not passing judgement either way by saying this mind you. But yeah. We did.

**Jihadin**

So how bad you think the amendment to add "God" and "Jerusalem" going to carry over. From what I understand there was a muslim contingent there not to happy about one.