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djones520 wrote:
I'm planning on standing some fortuned and guided Scatter Laser Warwalkers behind an ADL. With the 36" range of the guns, that's a lot of very effective fire that'll remain relatively safe with the rerollable 4+ that they'll be getting. I'd even be very comfortable with using that as an AA unit in the event the gun gets taken out.

I think that War Walkers are a bit too tall to claim the 4+ cover - you need to cover 25% of the model remember.

Iranna.

Just wondering how is it possible to get a 2+ cover save behind an aegis?

4+ is the normal save, go to ground for 3+, what am I missing as I have seen 2+ cover mentioned a few times now

Cheers

tuiman wrote:
Just wondering how is it possible to get a 2+ cover save behind an aegis?

4+ is the normal save, go to ground for 3+, what am I missing as I have seen 2+ cover mentioned a few times now

Cheers

Going to ground behind an Aegis gives you a special +2 now, not +1. Thus, 2+ cover save.

I love the defensive line.
My opponents bunch up infantry behind it to be "safe" and I just lob the indirect fire over the top, killing them all with no cover save.

Skyshield is a better choice, but no gun.

-Matt

 Iranna wrote:

djones520 wrote:
I'm planning on standing some fortuned and guided Scatter Laser Warwalkers behind an ADL. With the 36" range of the guns, that's a lot of very effective fire that'll remain relatively safe with the rerollable 4+ that they'll be getting. I'd even be very comfortable with using that as an AA unit in the event the gun gets taken out.

I think that War Walkers are a bit too tall to claim the 4+ cover - you need to cover 25% of the model remember.

Iranna.

I take it you don't realise how small a potion 25% is and/or how tall the Aegis is then.

djones520 wrote:
I'm planning on standing some fortuned and guided Scatter Laser Warwalkers behind an ADL. With the 36" range of the guns, that's a lot of very effective fire that'll remain relatively safe with the rerollable 4+ that they'll be getting. I'd even be very comfortable with using that as an AA unit in the event the gun gets taken out.

I have done that a good bit in 6th. There was quite the large thread debating how the ADL didnt give war walkers a 25% coverage for obscured. IDK what your play group is like. A skyshield landing pad is also a solid idea and it gives the walkers some height advantage too. Then it is a sure-fire 4+ invuln no matter what.

MadmanMSU wrote:

tuiman wrote:
Just wondering how is it possible to get a 2+ cover save behind an aegis?

4+ is the normal save, go to ground for 3+, what am I missing as I have seen 2+ cover mentioned a few times now

Cheers

Going to ground behind an Aegis gives you a special +2 now, not +1. Thus, 2+ cover save.

What page is that on, or is it faq?

Sorry, just have a friend who refuses to believe its 2+ but I dont know where to find the rule to tell him otherwise.

Cheers.

Edit: don't worry found it, page 104

Pg 104.

Oops, missed your edit. haha.

Do you think they are competive for armies like space wolves ? or some footlists with that 3+ armor ?

Ill say what I always say when it comes to MEQ. It depends. If your fighting a shooty army that has a bunch of AP3+ around, then obviously yes. If your fighting Orks or an army that doesnt have a bunch of AP3+, probably no.

 KingCracker wrote:
Ill say what I always say when it comes to MEQ. It depends. If your fighting a shooty army that has a bunch of AP3+ around, then obviously yes. If your fighting Orks or an army that doesnt have a bunch of AP3+, probably no.

That really doesn't dictate what is or isn't competitive though, as you are essentially talking about a purely casual tailor your list setting. In a TAC environment you don't know what you are going to come up against, and this where what is or isn't competitive comes into its own.

War walkers are great. however, keep in mind that all it takes is a ignore cover large blast from an IG artillery to mess up your world. Thats happened to me actuallly. also beware of outflanking units that will deny your cover save.
I highly dislike the huge nerf that holofields got with this new glance 6th crap. I used to be able to take many many penetrating shots, make them role 2 die. oh you got a 2, (spirit stones) its a 1. maybe on a good day "oh you got a 3" down to 5 scatter lasers uhh ohh . next turn. raaaaapppppeeeee
thats how it went. now its: *first turn* laspistol.... KABOOM
wtf mate?

WHY OH WHY PEOPLE DO TANK EXSIST?
If not to have superior survivability and firepower? well now we have giant guns on a wooden cart.
WHAT OH WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF ARMOR??
To diflect AKA--(GLANCE!!!!!) an enemy shot. and to protect the sensitive parts. armor is not sensitive. This whole glance to death rule is horse S H I T in my opinion. Sorta like a plate of chocolates that turn out to be bat droppings, its that repulsive. Sure your need some solid shooting to take down vehicles. However. You should have to get a penetrating hit on a vehicle to take it down. Because essentially what that rule did to everyone's awesome machines of war, aka tanks... is stripped them of all armour and strapped a bunch of exploding barrels to the wheels and crew. Its weak bs. TANKS ARE THE GODS OF WAR. A monstrous creature is sure big and stong but it DOESNT HAVE GIANT PLATES OF ARMOR!!! god it is disgusting to see the watered down vehicles of today. Its like riding bulls-eye targets into battle wearing a red jumpsuit. PALEASE
-my rant of the year.

GW you blow my mind sometimes with your matt ward logic.

 CorpseCommander wrote:
War walkers are great. however, keep in mind that all it takes is a ignore cover large blast from an IG artillery to mess up your world. Thats happened to me actuallly. also beware of outflanking units that will deny your cover save.
I highly dislike the huge nerf that holofields got with this new glance 6th crap. I used to be able to take many many penetrating shots, make them role 2 die. oh you got a 2, (spirit stones) its a 1. maybe on a good day "oh you got a 3" down to 5 scatter lasers uhh ohh . next turn. raaaaapppppeeeee
thats how it went. now its: *first turn* laspistol.... KABOOM
wtf mate?

WHY OH WHY PEOPLE DO TANK EXSIST?
If not to have superior survivability and firepower? well now we have giant guns on a wooden cart.
WHAT OH WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF ARMOR??
To diflect AKA--(GLANCE!!!!!) an enemy shot. and to protect the sensitive parts. armor is not sensitive. This whole glance to death rule is horse S H I T in my opinion. Sorta like a plate of chocolates that turn out to be bat droppings, its that repulsive. Sure your need some solid shooting to take down vehicles. However. You should have to get a penetrating hit on a vehicle to take it down. Because essentially what that rule did to everyone's awesome machines of war, aka tanks... is stripped them of all armour and strapped a bunch of exploding barrels to the wheels and crew. Its weak bs. TANKS ARE THE GODS OF WAR. A monstrous creature is sure big and stong but it DOESNT HAVE GIANT PLATES OF ARMOR!!! god it is disgusting to see the watered down vehicles of today. Its like riding bulls-eye targets into battle wearing a red jumpsuit. PALEASE
-my rant of the year.

GW you blow my mind sometimes with your matt ward logic.

So, tanks can evolve technologically but weapons to fight them can't?

And how do you know monstrous creatures don't have plates of armor? Insect Chitin can be surprisingly strong, we just don't notice it because it's relative to their size. Kinda like how ants can lift like 20x their weight (or whatever it actually is). Well, it's not really a lot of weight but if you put it in relative terms, you can't do that. No one can.

As for your IG Artillery comment...You DO know how mortars and things like that work, right?

 Kevin949 wrote:

 CorpseCommander wrote:
War walkers are great. however, keep in mind that all it takes is a ignore cover large blast from an IG artillery to mess up your world. Thats happened to me actuallly. also beware of outflanking units that will deny your cover save.
I highly dislike the huge nerf that holofields got with this new glance 6th crap. I used to be able to take many many penetrating shots, make them role 2 die. oh you got a 2, (spirit stones) its a 1. maybe on a good day "oh you got a 3" down to 5 scatter lasers uhh ohh . next turn. raaaaapppppeeeee
thats how it went. now its: *first turn* laspistol.... KABOOM
wtf mate?

WHY OH WHY PEOPLE DO TANK EXSIST?
If not to have superior survivability and firepower? well now we have giant guns on a wooden cart.
WHAT OH WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF ARMOR??
To diflect AKA--(GLANCE!!!!!) an enemy shot. and to protect the sensitive parts. armor is not sensitive. This whole glance to death rule is horse S H I T in my opinion. Sorta like a plate of chocolates that turn out to be bat droppings, its that repulsive. Sure your need some solid shooting to take down vehicles. However. You should have to get a penetrating hit on a vehicle to take it down. Because essentially what that rule did to everyone's awesome machines of war, aka tanks... is stripped them of all armour and strapped a bunch of exploding barrels to the wheels and crew. Its weak bs. TANKS ARE THE GODS OF WAR. A monstrous creature is sure big and stong but it DOESNT HAVE GIANT PLATES OF ARMOR!!! god it is disgusting to see the watered down vehicles of today. Its like riding bulls-eye targets into battle wearing a red jumpsuit. PALEASE
-my rant of the year.

GW you blow my mind sometimes with your matt ward logic.

So, tanks can evolve technologically but weapons to fight them can't?

And how do you know monstrous creatures don't have plates of armor? Insect Chitin can be surprisingly strong, we just don't notice it because it's relative to their size. Kinda like how ants can lift like 20x their weight (or whatever it actually is). Well, it's not really a lot of weight but if you put it in relative terms, you can't do that. No one can.

As for your IG Artillery comment...You DO know how mortars and things like that work, right?

Ants can only lift that much because they are low to the ground.

I see your point though.

As for insect chitin, I wasnt exactly making a reference of how weak monstrous armor is, however i was saying that they should be weaker than tanks. if nothing else GW should increase the vehicular glance charts by 1. its still lame though. Yes weapons should evolve, however weapons are usually a step behind... anyway my f'n holo fields are so useless now. I blame you WARDD!! no seriously though I think his vile hand is in all dirty devlish deeds dealt by demonic dummies.

anyway Aegis lines are awesome. quad guns are amazing. yep

 CorpseCommander wrote:
As for insect chitin, I wasnt exactly making a reference of how weak monstrous armor is, however i was saying that they should be weaker than tanks. if nothing else GW should increase the vehicular glance charts by 1. its still lame though. Yes weapons should evolve, however weapons are usually a step behind... anyway my f'n holo fields are so useless now. I blame you WARDD!! no seriously though I think his vile hand is in all dirty devlish deeds dealt by demonic dummies.

anyway Aegis lines are awesome. quad guns are amazing. yep

+

There it is, the theory is true.... he has summoned Ward to the thread. Please leave him out of this.... And you seem kind of but hurt mate
Wait untill they do the codex eldar over, there going to get nasty in 6th edition i think.

As for the aegis defence line, I like them ! Perfect for my guard, wether I play foot or mech. Chimeras sitting on objective behind aegis ? Yes please !

 CorpseCommander wrote:
anyway my f'n holo fields are so useless now.

Considering what Trifalcon lists did to the game in 4th edition: good.

 CorpseCommander wrote:
As for insect chitin, I wasnt exactly making a reference of how weak monstrous armor is, however i was saying that they should be weaker than tanks. if nothing else GW should increase the vehicular glance charts by 1. its still lame though. Yes weapons should evolve, however weapons are usually a step behind... anyway my f'n holo fields are so useless now. I blame you WARDD!! no seriously though I think his vile hand is in all dirty devlish deeds dealt by demonic dummies.

anyway Aegis lines are awesome. quad guns are amazing. yep

I had a feeling you had some issues with necrons. LoL Look at it this way, far as I know marines are basically re-purposing lost technology that they don't fully understand, orks are mashing all that scavenged crap together for whatever they can make, tyranids simply evolve to current threats, tau just make bigger guns, necrons have always had a technological advantage, same with eldar.

My issue is why do monstrous creatures get such a huge advantage against vehicles when walkers get nothing.

Honestly I don't know what increasing it by 1 is going to accomplish. For me, when I glance a vehicle to death I usually have 2 or 3 glances to spare.