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 kirsanth wrote:
That is because friendly models do not have to be outside of 1"

No matter how you spin read it.

They cannot coexist in the same space.

You aren't coexisting while on the base that you are currently ignoring.


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 DeathReaper wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
That does not mean what you think it means.

You are given no allowance to end your move on the fliers base.

here is a situation that proves you can not end there.

Say you move a unit near a friendly flier, and one guy ends his move on the fliers base. then you zoom the flier 18 inches, now the guy is out of coherency.

You are forgetting to ignore the base. If the base is ignored, then when the Flyer moves you simply move the models to the appropriate position as if it wasn't there. Or you move your models on the base before or after the Flyer moves.

And the page that says "simply move the models to the appropriate position as if it wasn't there" is what?

The appropriate rules have been quoted from the Flyer section. It may be an oversight by GW but it was also intentional that they changed the section in the movement portion of the rules, which by RAW currently allows this whether you like it or not.

From page 10 of the Warhammer 40K 6th edition rulebook, "Models In The Way":

A model can not move within 1" of an enemy model unless they are charging into close combat in the Assault phase. To move past, they must go around.

From page 80 of the Warhammer 40K 6th edition rulebook, :Flyers And Other Models":

However when moving this way, enemy models must still remain 1" away from the base of the Flyer, and the Flyer cannot end its move with its base within 1" of other enemy models.

From the Warhammer 40K 6th edition Main Rulebook FAQ (v1.0):

Q: Are models free to move underneath Zooming Flyers? (p80)

A: Yes, though enemy models must finish their move at least 1" away from the Flyer's base.

So the only point not covered is friendly models, as the rules make it abundantly clear that enemy models may not move onto or within 1" of a Flyer and a Flyer may not move onto or within 1" of an enemy model.These rules are more specific than the "Flyers And Measuring" rules you're referencing and thus you do not ignore the base in these instances.

Right, which doesn't matter to friendly models, and my point.

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
And the page that says "simply move the models to the appropriate position as if it wasn't there" is what?

The appropriate rules have been quoted from the Flyer section. It may be an oversight by GW but it was also intentional that they changed the section in the movement portion of the rules, which by RAW currently allows this whether you like it or not.

No you have not quoted a page, or graph that says "simply move the models to the appropriate position as if it wasn't there"

it is not on P.80

Where does it say this is allowed?

Page 80:

The base of a Flyer is effectively ignored, except when:

The flyer is being assaulted, in which case models may move into contact with the vehicle's hull, its base or both.

Models are embarking or disembarking from the Flyer, in which case the base of the Flyer is used as the Access Point.

So if I ignore it, I act as if it is not there and I am free to place my models on top of it.

Models that physically fit under a Flyer model can move beneath it. Likewise, a Flyer can end it move over such models. However, when moving this way, enemy models must still remain 1" away from the base of the Flyer, and the Flyer cannot end its move with its base within 1" of other enemy models.

So I can move under it, end my move over my models, and I ignore my base with my friendly models.

Specific allowance.

And you still have not answered my question.

Plus you have no permission to move over models like Jetbikes can.

"Jetbikes can always move over all other models and all terrain freely." P.45

 DeathReaper wrote:
And you still have not answered my question.

Plus you have no permission to ignore models like JI can.

I have permission to ignore the base. And to move under the model.

Read my edit.

ok i saw yuor answers and any friendly model ignore base of flyer and flyer must end its move 1" away from enemy models. is that right????

 DeathReaper wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
That does not mean what you think it means.

You are given no allowance to end your move on the fliers base.

here is a situation that proves you can not end there.

Say you move a unit near a friendly flier, and one guy ends his move on the fliers base. then you zoom the flier 18 inches, now the guy is out of coherency.

You are forgetting to ignore the base. If the base is ignored, then when the Flyer moves you simply move the models to the appropriate position as if it wasn't there. Or you move your models on the base before or after the Flyer moves.

And the page that says "simply move the models to the appropriate position as if it wasn't there" is what?

It needs none. The base is stated as being ignore for all purposes other than those listed. Therefore the base is not considered there for moving. The Flyers and other Models section state that models can move under it and the flyer can end over top of those models. The only exception is for enemy models. Nothing is stated for friendly models.

This interpretation will depend mostly on whether you think that GW left out the moving through friendly models on purpose or accident.

Well since you can not physically move models through other models, that restriction is still in place.

The base will stop friendly movement because it physically stops models movement.

Only Jump Infantry JMC's, and Jetbikes have a provision that allows movement over models and terrain freely.

Normal models can not move over models and terrain freely.

Why the specific allowance for Jetbikes to: "always move over all other models" if normally you can move over models?

"Jetbikes can always move over all other models and all terrain freely." P.45

The allowance is given by the Flyer rules, your jet bike reference is irrelevant.

 NecronLord3 wrote:
your jet bike reference is irrelevant.

Showing how and where the special rules are different than the normal rules is not irrelevant.

 DeathReaper wrote:
Well since you can not physically move models through other models, that restriction is still in place.

The base will stop friendly movement because it physically stops models movement.

Only Jump Infantry JMC's, and Jetbikes have a provision that allows movement over models and terrain freely.

Normal models can not move over models and terrain freely.

Why the specific allowance for Jetbikes to: "always move over all other models" if normally you can move over models?

"Jetbikes can always move over all other models and all terrain freely." P.45

DR, I agree. They left out a very important sentence in the movement section, which is what most of those refer to (RAI). However, the Flyer rules state the base is ignored for all purposes except being assaulted and disembarking. Therefore the base is not a model that cannot be moved through. The Flyer is above the battlefield and not on it, so only enemy models are affected by within 1" of it. (RAW)

So how do you reconcile this situation?

Say you move a unit near a friendly flier, and one guy ends his move on the fliers base. Then you zoom the flier 36 inches and the flyer exits the board and enters ongoing reserves, now the guy is out of coherency and off the table. How do you resolve this?

(Page references please).

 DeathReaper wrote:
So how do you reconcile this situation?

Say you move a unit near a friendly flier, and one guy ends his move on the fliers base. Then you zoom the flier 36 inches and the flyer exits the board and enters ongoing reserves, now the guy is out of coherency and off the table. How do you resolve this?

(Page references please).

The guy would not move. The base is ignored for all purposes, therefore it is not there. The model would remain where it was on the field where it had completed its move.

"On the base" doesn't mean for the model to hop onto the flyer's base to literally surf the damn thing. Silly.

I see no reason for why this isn't allowed. I mean, come on - it's supposed to be in the sky.

"Sorry brother, you can't stand underneath the Storm Raven."
"Why not?"
"The Codex Astartes does not permit this action."
"k."

The OP means - ignore the flyer's base. Pretend that it isn't there. Not 'put your model on it and keep it there, so when the flyer moves, the model goes with it'.

Flyer is in Point A. Model 1 (friendly) moves onto the base, and is therefore at Point A. Flyer zooms to Point T, which is on the other end of the board. Model 1 remains at Point A.

The only issue I can see is making a unit impervious to assault by placing it under a flyer. However, if this ever comes up in a game of mine, houserules will fix that.

I mean, seriously. They're supposed to be high in the air (hence BS1 without Skyfire)! So what, things with wings/jump packs can't go over other models while flying? Oh yeah, they can.

Fragile wrote:
The guy would not move. The base is ignored for all purposes, therefore it is not there. The model would remain where it was on the field where it had completed its move.

It did not end its move on terrain, which movement is defined by - it was not on the field.

If the flyer's base is ignored, then it ended its turn on terrain.



There. Amazing art skill, I know.

Ignoring an object does not change the placement of another object.

Ignoring the base does not move the model placed upon it onto terrain any more than it turns the model to gold.

If models/bases are not terrain, they cannot be moved onto.

Fragile wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
So how do you reconcile this situation?

Say you move a unit near a friendly flier, and one guy ends his move on the fliers base. Then you zoom the flier 36 inches and the flyer exits the board and enters ongoing reserves, now the guy is out of coherency and off the table. How do you resolve this?

(Page references please).

The guy would not move. The base is ignored for all purposes, therefore it is not there. The model would remain where it was on the field where it had completed its move.

But he is not on the field (and not on terrain), he is on the base, and the base is moving, you have no allowance to move him again after his unit has completed its move.

 kirsanth wrote:

Fragile wrote:
The guy would not move. The base is ignored for all purposes, therefore it is not there. The model would remain where it was on the field where it had completed its move.

It did not end its move on terrain, which movement is defined by - it was not on the field.

Support that with a rule.

However, the Flyer rules state the base is ignored for all purposes except being assaulted and disembarking.

The rules under the header "Flyers And Measuring". In the context that these rules are for measuring why are you using them for any other purpose?

Fragile wrote:
Support that with a rule.

Support that no rule allows you to do that?

Feel free to elucidate how that is not you claiming "it does not say I cannot" which is exactly opposite of the way games work.


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 Ghaz wrote:

However, the Flyer rules state the base is ignored for all purposes except being assaulted and disembarking.

The rules under the header "Flyers And Measuring". In the context that these rules are for measuring why are you using them for any other purpose?

Also, to be clear - it is "effectively ignored" which means the effects are ignored - not its existence.
It is still not terrain, the field, or anything the rules state that can be moved onto.

Nothing in the movement section requires you to move onto or end in "terrain"

Fragile wrote:
Nothing in the movement section requires you to move onto or end in "terrain"

Moving through terrain.

Where are the rules for a model's movement when they are not moved on terrain?

Open Ground specifies that it covers normal movement - and does not count models as open ground.

OK and then can be flyers affected by anithing when DS on table, when the base is ignored?

neuminic wrote:
OK and then can be flyers affected by anithing when DS on table, when the base is ignored?

if they end within 1" of an enemy model they will mishap. Other than that pg. 80 Zooming Flyers do not take dangerous terrain tests even if it stops over difficult, dangerous or impassable terrain. And the bases is effectively ignored for all other purposes, it therefore is never on friendly units or in any terrain which would cause a mishap.

Context is king. Why are you using the rules for measuring when you're not measuring?

Explain your question as almost everything in 40 involves some sort of measurement.