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I actually liked everything but the flyer. Not that it matters. I wont be buying any of these models. I'll wait for Dark Angels and thats it. Since its clear that GW is intent on pricing everyone out but the super rich for the product I'll call it quits with one army and move on to other systems. Shame too since I really like most of their models and background for 40k and Fantasy.

Makumba wrote:
the raptors would actualy make nice csm , if the cost of making an army out of them wouldnt be so high .

EC pack is so lol 150$ to get 10 sonic blasters . and you will need 30 for under 2k .

150 will get you 80 sonic blasters actually


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I love most of the new models in the Dark Vengeance set (barring the Hellbrute), but I agree for the most part with your synopsis of the new line of models.

For 20 bucks, I would rather buy a squad of chosen off Ebay and use one guy from there as an aspiring champion, than spend 20 dollars on that single model.

I do like the new upgrade packs that remove our dependance on metal models for Thousand Sons, but I don't like the pricing. To get a squad of ten of them now costs nearly as much as a land raider.

I dislike the flyer, for sure. Its aesthetic does not match any established chaos armies at all. It looks like a child's toy. I will be scratchbuilding my own fliers to use in its place.

The new demonengines are not horrible looking, and they fit the theme, but I personally don't like how they look so front-end heavy. I will likely avoid them until I know how balanced the model actually is. And I'll be buying them secondhand, as I can't get over the price of them either.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
...The old ones never really looked quite right in the context of how Raptors were supposed to be using millennia-old Space Marine gear, the new jump packs look like someone took prototypes of the Space Marine jump packs and twisted them a bit to reflect Warp exposure.

The previous pack design is based on artwork from Rogue Trader. The newer ones are also based on RT artwork but are more heavily influenced by the Horus Heresy artwork.

I think the new models look stunning.
I've only just got into CSM in the last few months before I got wind of the changes coming with the 6th Edition and was slightly put off by some of the older models; particularly the raptors and bikes. Well the rapor replacements look amazing and I can't wait to get my hand on a few more things.
However, what has stunned me was the price of the new Codex - wow, will we get it in paper back?

Prepare for little rant - GW need a rethink before they price too many kids away from the GW brand. - End of Rant.

Sadly GW isn't after the little man's money, but the money of the rich and spoiled. They even say so in the introduction to the 6th rulebook. They'll keep raising prices and appeal to no one but the upper middle class. That can also be seen in their marketing for digital products. It'll all for the iPad, not iPhone and definitely not for android platforms.
GW see themselves as a luxury hobby brand which you should feel privileged to be a part of. Their prices will never drop, only rise.

One Click Bundle: Buy everything you see here and save 0%! No GW. I'll order everything individually just to make you work a little harder. DANCE FOR ME PUPPETS, DANCE.

Helldrake: Neat idea, but where's the grimdark? I might get one if I feel like doing a lot of greenstuff work with it, but as it is meh?

Forge/Maulerfiend: Again, where's the grimdark? The Maulerfiend looks like it has potential if you greenstuff it, but the Forgefiend looks like they took the critiques of the Biovore models and turned it up to 11. On the upside, I think we finally have someone to date the Wet Nurse.

Raptors: I like 'em. The odd zig-zagging patterns in the armor look like they tried to give an impression of mutating or patched armor, but it doesn't work very well. They at least look like something I could believe is Chaos, even if they didn't quite get it right.

Aspiring Champion: I thought this model was great in the DV set when it had a bolter instead of a knife. I still think it looks good, but I'd probably rather buy a second DV box than this.

Warpsmith: I like this, and the casting errors in the Finecast may actually blend well with the miniature so that you don't need to get several replacements. This guy seems to be the only solid winner out of the bunch.

Dark Apostle: I like it, although the parchment ribbons are a little too thick. It probably would've looked better with less of a paper-tornado thing going on. I don't think I'll have a solid opinion on it until I see it in person... right now the front and back shots look pretty solid, but the 360 view shows some weaknesses.

Oblits/Maulers: Same crappy ass oblit models that I didn't like five years ago, now with the added bonus of being more expensive and Finecast. Go sit on a Thunderhawk GW.

Havocs: More expensive, harder to convert, Finecast. Buy a dev squad box and add some spiky bits. Pass.

Sorcerer: A nice sculpt, but probably not worth the money. Pretty much a very predictable model.

Upgrade Packs: So you were hoping your favorite army was going to get some nice plastics? Nope. Get some repackaged upgrade packs that'll be more expensive. If they're still metal then at least the quality hasn't gone down, although they were all old sculpts and not all that great. I probably won't be adding any more Thousand Sons to the 20 or so that I have already.

Battleforce: $152.50 for $120. Not a bad deal. I actually pulled out a calculator to double check my total, was surprised the retail discount was that high.

Lansirill wrote:


Battleforce: $152.50 for $120. Not a bad deal. I actually pulled out a calculator to double check my total, was surprised the retail discount was that high.

Well, it is a good box. But a huge chunk of "discount" also comes from the fact that they no longer do a "3-bikes-in-one-box" anymore outside the Battleforce.

Honestly, the only thing I am buying is the Hellbrute/Forgefiend. I will buy one of them. But anything "marine" related is about as far away from tempting as can be. With the Heresy models coming out from FW, and the prices of GW now so insane that they make FW a good deal there is nothing keeping me from just buying the much better looking marines from FW. And with all the amazing new marine stuff coming out? I don't even like playing marines, I haven't bought a marine dex since templars. And I am way excited for the heresy stuff FW is putting out. I will probably blow entire pay checks on that stuff.

In comparison, the GW chaos release just falls flat. It is a good thing that I can buy the sonic weaponry from GW though, ill need it since the FW stuff doesn't come with weapons and I am totally going all slaanesh with their point reduction.

 IcedAnimals wrote:
Honestly, the only thing I am buying is the Hellbrute/Forgefiend...

I will buy one of them...

But anything "marine" related is about as far away from tempting as can be...

there is nothing keeping me from just buying the much better looking marines from FW...

I don't even like playing marines...

And I am way excited for the heresy stuff...

I will probably blow entire pay checks on that stuff...

It is a good thing that I can buy the sonic weaponry from GW though, ill need it...

and I am totally going all slaanesh with their point reduction.

Whaaa?

I just can't believe they passed up an opportunity to re-sculpt the basic Chaos Marine, and finally bring them out of the 80s.

I think I'll be converting up some Chaos Ogryn as my Obliterators, Blight Drones for the Helldrake, and Deathguard conversion packs for my infantry.

The old chaos marines are fine. There aren't any glaring errors on them that I can see

I love daemon engines but I hate the Forgemauler. As a rule, the daemon engines shouldn't have eyes that aren't lightbulbs. Yes, it looks like a dinosaur toy. Too organic.
The new CSM aesthetic doesn't look good to me. There's nowhere for your eye to rest on most of them and there's nothing to focus on. And random mouths and tentacles coming out of unlikely places doesn't look good to me, it looks silly.

Where is the hellbrute boxed set? I picked up one from a friend in hopes there would be a boxes set coming out with the different options. I didn't want three DV hellbrutes roaming the table with the same setups and all with the same pose! Or was the hellbrute in the DV set an IC? It was my understanding that it was to replace the current dreadnaught.... Perhaps more will be revealed...

Currently, the only Hellbrute model is the DV model.

We can assume GW will release a Hellbrute model in the future. Actual date unknown and could be a while.

The forgefiend may be forgiven if the hades autocannons or whatever are amazing. The warpsmith is fine, but there are two issues with it. 1, it isn't a plastic kit, and 2, it's pretty much evul techmarine model, not really a difference to me. Though the tentacles constantly remind me of doc-ock, which gives him some win points with me. Curse you Spider-Emperor!

But Warpsmiths are evil Techmarines

Although I'll agree that more Warping could be used on the model. Fleshy mechanandrites and servo arms for one.

Ahh well, green stuff is your friend

is it just me or does this new edition of models for CSM look like what the daemons should have been ?

the big mechy dragon, big mechy dog dude....they really look more at home along side a soul grinder then in a CSM army.

i'm not sure where i sit in the like department, i want to see them face to face, but i am hopefull about the raptors as i would love a squad in my army, and they look okay in the pics. Only a hands on will tell if they will fit the look and feel of my army

Edit: also warpsmith...still has nothing on Fabius Bile, best model ever!

Well, Chaos did need more Chaos.

I imagine when the Daemon codex rolls around there will be loads of beautiful new models to oogle over then too.

new plastic greater daemons, winged daemons on flying bases, etc...

I agree, in everyday.

Games Workshop, you are dissipoint.

 blood reaper wrote:
I agree, in everyday.

Games Workshop, you are dissipoint.

Sigh. Could you at least post with a grammatically correct sentence if you are going to fill the thread with pointless hate-spam?

 TheAngrySquig wrote:
The old chaos marines are fine. There aren't any glaring errors on them that I can see

They are utterly bland and uninspired, suffer from cast issues at the legs and have no resemblence to the excelent DV Chosen or even the Raptors.
After the DV Chosen i am no longer willing to spend any money and time on such an inferior product.

Oh look. Another hobby snob.

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
Oh look. Another hobby snob.

Oh look, another GW apologist. Is whiteknighting fun these days?

I don't take their side. But I am tired of people like you bitching.

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
I don't take their side. But I am tired of people like you bitching.

Your problem, not mine. Still, if you can't see why people complain about GW selling ugly and out of date ( not to mention the bad cast quality ) csm miniatures for the same price as the far superior
Spacewolfs ( more detailed, better poses, better quality ), then i seriously can't help you.

I've had dozens of CSM boxes and the cast quality was never "bad". Sounds like your problem, not mine.

Maybe you could learn to sculpt, and then you wouldn't have to complain so much.

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
I've had dozens of CSM boxes and the cast quality was never "bad". Sounds like your problem, not mine.

Maybe you could learn to sculpt, and then you wouldn't have to complain so much.

Why should i learn to sculpt just to correct the shoddy quality of some GW miniatures? It's not like i have to buy their stuff.

Exactly. Apparently you'd rather complain about something, rather than just make the choice not to buy something based on your personal opinion?

You say they are "shoddy", but you lack the artistic talent to do better? Most people will agree that they are not "shoddy" and are quite the opposite, in fact.

If you had said "I would love to have some CSM models like the chosen that are in DV set," it sounds a lot better than "they are totally bland and uninspired".

You are not the supreme judge and dictator on what makes a model interesting and inspired, so come down from your high horse.

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
Exactly. Apparently you'd rather complain about something, rather than just make the choice not to buy something based on your personal opinion?

You say they are "shoddy", but you lack the artistic talent to do better? Most people will agree that they are not "shoddy" and are quite the opposite, in fact.

If you had said "I would love to have some CSM models like the chosen that are in DV set," it sounds a lot better than "they are totally bland and uninspired".

You are not the supreme judge and dictator on what makes a model interesting and inspired, so come down from your high horse.

I stated my opinion. If you, for some unfathomable reason, think that they are the best thing since sliced bread then have fun with them.
Regarding the tired old falacy that one has to be able to do something ( writing, sculpting, building cars...) in order to criticise the work of others, do i realy have to explain to you why this line of reasoning is flawed? I think not. Of course, even you ( as an apparent fan of the current csms ) should notice that the current csms are of inferior detail compared to some of the more recent work ( Grey Hunters squad, Death company, Grey Knights, Dark Eldar ). I would even argue that this is not just my personal opinion but a rather obvious fact.
As you should have also noticed, the shoddy in my previous reply was related to the cast issues experienced by me and others ( especialy at the leg trim ), which can ruin the entire look of the miniature ( unless one wishes to spend extra time and effort to correct something that shouldn't even exist in the first place ).

I will therefore remain on my high horse, still quite confident in my opinion that the current csms do, in fact, suck badly ( lack of detail, poses, cast quality ), compared to what GW can produce.