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 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:

You are not the supreme judge and dictator on what makes a model interesting and inspired, so come down from your high horse.

Nor are you. It's called 'opinion' and 'perspective'.

I play CSM, and I agree that the basic guys need an update. They're not terrible, but come on! They could look so much better, and the Grey Knight/Space Wolf comment is right. As for the old Raptors... yeah, they looked terrible, purely out of age. I like the new Raptors, although Warp Talons look like Power Rangers or something. Mutilators look plain stupid. Their derpy faces totally ruin any cool factor they may have had, and their claws are both too big and too numerous. I mean, seriously, they're in Terminator armour and they have more spikes and claws than actual armour, yet they aren't mutated into a proper predatorial daemon-beast or anything. Just really, really, really, really spiky Terminators, so spiky they just look silly. As for the Dark Apostle... dat face. He just looks completely stupid. Meanwhile, the DV version looks fantastic.



Where are the mutlipart plastic kits for the Chosen from DV? :'c They're so pretty and I want themmm. As for the 'fiends; I really like the more mechanical one, which I believe is the Forgefiend. The other just looks like some kind of cyborg Tyranid with a sarcastic look on its face. I'll be using the Forgefiend head if I ever want a Maulerfiend. Finally; I like the Heldrake! It could be better, but it's not bad.

Where are the new Berserkers, Thousand Sons, Plague Marines, Noise Marines? The upgrade kits are pathetic, and all the cult!Marine kits are ancient. Come on, all the other Space Marines get their specialists in plastic, why not CSMs? They made this out to be a fantastic update where they'd fix all the problems and make everything pretty, but so far, all we've seen is some really shifty stuff (upgrade packs) and a couple of new models thrown at us. :'c

EDIT: Uh... wow. Just noticed; the 'fiends? Yeah, they have six limbs. Their rear legs are hooved while their front legs are clawed. They also have tails, and a curved snout-spike, and overlapping plates, and...

I agree that GW set the bar pretty high with the DV set. I had my hopes up for some cool stuff like the spacewolves got and other armies have received. I am glad I fashioned my own Havocs beforehand. I feel a little let down, but only because I got my hopes and expectations up based on the DV set. Until the codex comes out, I am trying to keep an open mind.

The only thing I can think of regarding the Chosen vs. Regular CSMs is that they are an elite, their status with the chaos gods has granted them the right to wear fancy armor and be all around cooler than their ground level counterparts. No doubt that all regular CSM models envy the DV Chosen models' armor

I am just mainly disappointed that a hellbrute boxed set was not part of the main release. A lot of the models released are basically specialized dreads. I liked the look of everything before. Putting everything in finecast is not a great idea. GW must be trying to liken its line to the FW products by doing everything finecast and then charging the same price. I am a good painter, but the finecast (to me) is not for the average painter. With my painting skills, I do not fully utilize the finecast's value. The regular plastic models seem to show off an average painter's skills better that a finecast product.

Am I the only one that when looking at the dark apostle think it looks more like a normal space marine hero then anything that should be in chaos :0 just can't shake it...

I think the apostle model looks cool. Light/pastey toned skin would make him fit better in the Chaos army.

He just looks like a great big toilet paper despenser to me.

 Ugavine wrote:
Am I the only person that loves the Helldrake?

I'm going to buy a small CSM allies force if only to use the Helldrake.

You are not alone, my warped friend. Chaos is the only army that can say it has a dragon. A goddamned dragon. I'm gonna appreciate that

 wowsmash wrote:
He just looks like a great big toilet paper despenser to me.

Or a towel and soap-on-a-rope salesman. And he pawns off spikey, half eaten donuts as Chaos Icons.

How does a traitor have that much purity seals anyway. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Well, they arn't exactly purity seals. More like sermons on the Dark Gods.

Those are impurity seals. Because he's so impure. He was voted most likely to be impure by his squad mates. He has impure underoos and bed sheets.

He is the most impure astartes in the world. He doesn't always act impure, but when he does, he makes impurity seals out of baby unicorn hide...

 wowsmash wrote:
He just looks like a great big toilet paper despenser to me.

Toilet paper aside, I don't understand why he has two trophy racks from a rhino on his head.

The dragon is a move towards fantasy just as Necrons were, I hate the trend and want the universe more grimdark not fantasy. The model itself is ok but as a toy not as a flying chaos abomination. The rest is average, I don't care anyway have my metal plague marines and am happy, not buying anything new unless it's multi part plastic GUO or new plastic Nurgle DP.

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
Oh look. Another hobby snob.

It's not being a snob (and I don't think you're an apologist, either) it's just that the Chaos Marines are old and it shows. Some old models really hit the nail on the head, have loads of character and hold up well to the test of time. The Chaos Marines aren't one of those models. They're boring, lack diversity, and are downright silly in some respects.

Wishlist:
New demon engines
New casts for cult units//basic guys
Hell Talon
Chosen boxed set
Plastic dread.

What we get?
Well, our existing demon engine is a defiler, and it looks beast like only in the sense it has 6 legs and claws
New ones? Metal carnifexes
No new casts AT ALL except raptors (think this is the first time I have ever seen this in a release tbh)
No chosen
No hellbrute/dread.

The warpsmith was nice.

Hopefully the second wave will prove better... We need up to date troop choices.

OH! And no cult boxed set.


So for the coolest stuff? By DV, then continue to cry in the corner because GW still hates your army's face


Von Chogg

but chaos did get chosen and dreads

 Von Chogg wrote:

New casts for cult units//basic guys

I don't think this will happen for any army with basic guys already in plastic.

Necrons didn't get new Warriors. Tau will not get new Firewarriors. Eldar will not get new Guardians or DA. GW isn't at a point where they start from scratch on existing multi-part plastic kits. Need to come back in about 10 years or so I would guess.

I don't think the models are bad.

And as far as the Dark Apostle goes, he is made of finecast, just hack his head off and replace it with something more to ones taste if you don't like it. He doesn't look like he would be overly difficult to convert

I have a few issues.

GW made the Dark Vengeance kit and the models have weird ways of being put together. Why? So you can't mod them easily. Then they make models out of fine cast which makes them even harder to mod.

The cut throat of all this is that fine cast is costing them less to make a model so that they can max out their profit.

Another complaint is that I don't have a back pack or back to carry around hard cover books. I also don't want to spend $50 on a codex when a soft cover at $20 is much better for me. The $75 BRB is a scam. I don't need all the extra stuff so that you feel better about selling me an over priced book.

So the only thing I will be buying for CSM is going to be the Codex. The rule changes have made the game once again boring. All we have to look forward to is cheesy shooting lists because assaulting in this new game has to many variables to make you fail a charge or lose the guys you want in the fight.

Good luck GW keeping people interested in the game or able to afford the game in the first place.

MJThurston wrote:
I have a few issues.

GW made the Dark Vengeance kit and the models have weird ways of being put together. Why? So you can't mod them easily. Then they make models out of fine cast which makes them even harder to mod.

The cut throat of all this is that fine cast is costing them less to make a model so that they can max out their profit.

Another complaint is that I don't have a back pack or back to carry around hard cover books. I also don't want to spend $50 on a codex when a soft cover at $20 is much better for me. The $75 BRB is a scam. I don't need all the extra stuff so that you feel better about selling me an over priced book.

So the only thing I will be buying for CSM is going to be the Codex. The rule changes have made the game once again boring. All we have to look forward to is cheesy shooting lists because assaulting in this new game has to many variables to make you fail a charge or lose the guys you want in the fight.

Good luck GW keeping people interested in the game or able to afford the game in the first place.

You obviously are not happy with the game in its current state, so why are you even bothering to buy the codex? Your just still going to be angry and unhappy, spend the $50 on something that would give you fits of nerd rage.

The Fiend is an absolutely ugly model. However, we get three Obliterators for 41€. Compare this to the metal blister that contained one Oblit for about 20€. Hardly believable or am I wrong?

BrotherVord wrote:
I see what they were going for with the heldrake, but they definitely dropped the ball with its look...

Forge world already makes the Hellblade. Just get a couple of those instead.

Generally I like the new minis. I like lots of options at each level of my force and I don't have a complaint at all about having to choose between the various fiends, havocs, vindicators and whatever else. I don't want just one army. I want things to be unique and different from one game to the next, especially when playing chaos. So having all those different options appeals totally to me. Even buying at least one of the helldrakes as while they are not perfect models they are interesting enough that they intrigue me. I really like the new raptor figures as they look like chaos marines in heresy era armors with the big crazy turbo fan looking jump packs they had back then. They are also cheaper than the Mark IV forgeworld assault marines I was planning to buy some of to fill that role in my nurgle army (khorne force has the most recent version raptors and my slaanesh army has seraphim converted with old metal 'nid gargoyle wings for raptors).

I do agree $20 for what amounts to a unit sergeant in the Aspiring Champion is just nuts, though. Blah...

My chaos armies are already full of plenty of minis ranging back almost as long as I have been playing 40k, picking up and adding more units and alternative figures as time goes by. My khorne and nurgle armies also have a number of forgeworled pieces too. Working on adding some more forgeworld love to Slaaneshi army as well. Love that slannesh greater daemon lord figure that forge world makes. I will add in the parts from Dark Vengance and the new chaos minis to my existing forces to make them even more varied and chaos looking.

Skriker

I'm REALLY annoyed that GW aren't making the chosen as a boxed set or the helbrute, he'll their not even making the god damn cultists! Heresy, ironic heresy (do you see how ironic it is)

The Dark Apostle wrote:
I'm REALLY annoyed that GW aren't making the chosen as a boxed set or the helbrute, he'll their not even making the god damn cultists! Heresy, ironic heresy (do you see how ironic it is)

Still plenty of time for those items, or similar versions, to come out. They just aren't coming out in the first wave. Besides for things like cultists it is just as much fun to combine some fantays kits with the different IG plastics. I am also certain that there will be a new hellbrute/dreadnought kit released at some point as well. The concept here is *patience*. Relax and we'll see what ends up showing up down the pike. Right now it makes sense for GW to drive sales to the Dark Vengance box itself. More stuff will be available before too long. Took a while for the dethcopta to be released in its own box from the AoBR set. This is no different. Today cultist ranks can be filled on ebay by buying up other people's Dark Vengance minis, and also using minis from the necromunda line. They are are perfect. Nothing screams cultist better than Cawdor/Redemptionist figures, but any of them except maybe the Van Saars have an irregular enough look to be cultists, and you can easily scare up some chaos icons out on ebay to glue here and there.

Also a fully available line of dreadnoughts on Forge world for the most well known CSM chapters is still available as well, or Khorne blood slaughterers, or the Decimator daemon engine. Not to mention the maulerfiend and forge fiend coming out which can fill a similar combat roll. There will be plenty of toys to play with until they finally release those other kits.

Skriker

Chosen can be made with the normal CSM kit, Cultists are any IG kit, and the Hellbrute is a Dreadnought.

Specific kits may follow in the future(probably for Cultists and the Hellbrute) but they arn't needed for the release.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Chosen can be made with the normal CSM kit, Cultists are any IG kit, and the Hellbrute is a Dreadnought.

Specific kits may follow in the future(probably for Cultists and the Hellbrute) but they arn't needed for the release.

The current csm kit is too sucky to make good Chosen (unless you somehow convert the hell out of them ) and normal IG make bad cultists ( although the expensive FW upgrade is nice ).

 KingDeath wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Chosen can be made with the normal CSM kit, Cultists are any IG kit, and the Hellbrute is a Dreadnought.

Specific kits may follow in the future(probably for Cultists and the Hellbrute) but they arn't needed for the release.

The current csm kit is too sucky to make good Chosen (unless you somehow convert the hell out of them ) and normal IG make bad cultists ( although the expensive FW upgrade is nice ).

A sucky kit and a bad kit are still kits.

And Vendettas can only be made with a FW upgrade kit, or scratch building something of your own.

Whelp,
I started playing Chaos Space Marines in '97. They got me into the hobby, specifically, that Matt Gibbons Khorne Berzerker Terminator image in the codex that used to be printed on a leaflet in every box (along with art of all the other armies).

So, I like the new Chosen, in they style of their armour. Nice and Baroque.

Apart from that, I'm as disappointed as all the other people ranting. I know that if I ever rebuild my army, I'll have to hunt for the 2nd ed metal CSM on ebay, and work from there, and the rest of the new stuff is Warcraft-villain style. Just too... wacky.

I am waiting to see the rulebook before I post my Chaos army up for sale... Maybe the new rules will give me inspiration to continue playing them because the new models are definitely not doing it for me. I am definatley working on patience for the hellbrute multi part kit... Hopefully they don't mess that one up...

strengthofthedragon2 wrote:
I am waiting to see the rulebook before I post my Chaos army up for sale... Maybe the new rules will give me inspiration to continue playing them because the new models are definitely not doing it for me. I am definatley working on patience for the hellbrute multi part kit... Hopefully they don't mess that one up...

I am confused by this position. If you already have the army, who cares what the minis look like that are coming out? You don't need them. I definitely understand the rules side of the equation, though. I sold off my daemonhunters army for different reasons, but when the new GK codex came out shortly thereafter I realized I would have sold it off anyway because my army, as I played it, no longer existed. :(

Ulimately I was planning to not buy anything from the new mini line, but I do see promise in a number of the kits, and some I just generally like the look of. I've never allowed "unit usefulness" dictate what minis I buy and model like some others in this thread. I actually enjoy using units that others consider useless for variety and also to show that they aren't as useless as some folks claim. All depends what you want to use them for.

Skriker

 Skriker wrote:

strengthofthedragon2 wrote:
I am waiting to see the rulebook before I post my Chaos army up for sale... Maybe the new rules will give me inspiration to continue playing them because the new models are definitely not doing it for me. I am definatley working on patience for the hellbrute multi part kit... Hopefully they don't mess that one up...

I am confused by this position. If you already have the army, who cares what the minis look like that are coming out? You don't need them. I definitely understand the rules side of the equation, though. I sold off my daemonhunters army for different reasons, but when the new GK codex came out shortly thereafter I realized I would have sold it off anyway because my army, as I played it, no longer existed. :(

Ulimately I was planning to not buy anything from the new mini line, but I do see promise in a number of the kits, and some I just generally like the look of. I've never allowed "unit usefulness" dictate what minis I buy and model like some others in this thread. I actually enjoy using units that others consider useless for variety and also to show that they aren't as useless as some folks claim. All depends what you want to use them for.

Skriker

I like to run a lash based army with defilers and plague marines with Epidemius (daemon ally, occasionally). Its rumored the new codex will not have lash. I have recently picked up orks due to CSM becoming stale. I have also been wanting a dread that I can somewhat rely on. I guess I had high hopes for the models, but I will wait to see what the rules are for the new models and possibly proxy them with a model I like. I understand though, that some models you just have to play (which is why I am picking up some SW cavalry). Like you said, my biggest issue is that the army I like to play may not exist and I am not liking the models enough to spend the $50+ on them just to "try them out". Who knows, maybe they will grow on me... A lot of the opinions on here (mine included) are reactions to the new models. Maybe in time they will (somehow) become more appealing...