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Do you mean page 68?

Blessings are a specific subcategory of psychic powers. They are not relevant to this question.

kenc wrote:
And all blessings last until the next player turn.
Pg 64 BRB
Unless otherwise stated, last until the end of the following turn.

Please try to at least pretend that you read the entire thread.

We are talking about a Blood Angel Sanguinary Priest with a blood chalice...

Not the psychic power that bestows FNP.

 DeathReaper wrote:

kenc wrote:
And all blessings last until the next player turn.
Pg 64 BRB
Unless otherwise stated, last until the end of the following turn.

Please try to at least pretend that you read the entire thread.

We are talking about a Blood Angel Sanguinary Priest with a blood chalice...

Not the psychic power that bestows FNP.

Yeah I read the thread, AND WOULD LIKE TO COMPLIMENT YOU BUT AM NOT CERTAIN HOW TO DO SO.

Items that grant abilities like FNP and Furious Charge (like the... GASP Blood Chalice) are considered to grant a blessing. I AM HAVING SOME DIFFICULTY UNDERSTANDING THIS RULE, AND AM BEING HOSTILE TOWARD OTHERS.

Edited by Mannahnin

kenc wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

kenc wrote:
And all blessings last until the next player turn.
Pg 64 BRB
Unless otherwise stated, last until the end of the following turn.

Please try to at least pretend that you read the entire thread.

We are talking about a Blood Angel Sanguinary Priest with a blood chalice...

Not the psychic power that bestows FNP.

Yeah I read the thread, small dick.

Items that grant abilities like FNP and Furious Charge (like the... GASP Blood Chalice) are considered to grant a blessing. fething slow.

1) Why not ready the forum rules while you are at it? (mostly Rule #1 as the underlined is in violation of that...)

2) Citation is needed for the orange text.

 Mannahnin wrote:

 Kevin949 wrote:

 Mannahnin wrote:
The rulebook tells us that the wounds are happening simultaneously, though.

There are other things that "happen simultaneously" but the outcome of 1 roll can and will affect the outcome of further rolls in that same simultaneous step

For example?

Rolling for reanimation protocols is the first that comes to mind. Specifically rolling for RP on a model with a res orb.

That FAQ answer is just dumb, and I disagree that it's an applicable precedent.

While I agree with your first comment, I respectfully disagree with the second. But I get where you're coming from, it's not the same as a shooting attack and resolution but it is something that has a similar effect and restriction.

The RP rules don't use the same "simultaneous" language. They bloody well should, though, and the FAQ answer is a silly one. The order in which the player chooses to roll them shouldn't matter at all.

 Mannahnin wrote:
The RP rules don't use the same "simultaneous" language. They bloody well should, though, and the FAQ answer is a silly one. The order in which the player chooses to roll them shouldn't matter at all.

Indeed.

Again though, I refer to you that the "simultaneous" wording is for "To Hit" rolls, not allocation and wound removal. More so explained on page twelve under The Shooting Sequence. Allocate and Remove Casualties, the final step. And again, if a model is removed as a casualty right then, it is no longer in play and neither is any gear it may have (by default, some exceptions apply and state as much).

 DeathReaper wrote:

kenc wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

kenc wrote:
And all blessings last until the next player turn.
Pg 64 BRB
Unless otherwise stated, last until the end of the following turn.

Please try to at least pretend that you read the entire thread.

We are talking about a Blood Angel Sanguinary Priest with a blood chalice...

Not the psychic power that bestows FNP.

Yeah I read the thread, small dick.

Items that grant abilities like FNP and Furious Charge (like the... GASP Blood Chalice) are considered to grant a blessing. fething slow.

1) Why not ready the forum rules while you are at it? (mostly Rule #1 as the underlined is in violation of that...)

2) Citation is needed for the orange text.

I checked the brb and it doesn't mention either the size of anyone's penis nor the mental state of any 40k players... we may need an FAQ :p

kenc wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

kenc wrote:
And all blessings last until the next player turn.
Pg 64 BRB
Unless otherwise stated, last until the end of the following turn.

Please try to at least pretend that you read the entire thread.

We are talking about a Blood Angel Sanguinary Priest with a blood chalice...

Not the psychic power that bestows FNP.

Yeah I read the thread, AND WOULD LIKE TO COMPLIMENT YOU BUT AM NOT CERTAIN HOW TO DO SO.

Items that grant abilities like FNP and Furious Charge (like the... GASP Blood Chalice) are considered to grant a blessing. I AM HAVING SOME DIFFICULTY UNDERSTANDING THIS RULE, AND AM BEING HOSTILE TOWARD OTHERS.

Edited by Mannahnin

Best...modedit...ever...

Weighing in with the simultanous effect, it is and pretty much always has been at the same time IIRC.

I would say that because shooting doesn't have an initiative step, during the sub-phase of wound allocation, all units within 6 should get it because he was alive during the turn that he died. And all wounds in this phase happen at the same time.

I really don't think the concept of simultaneous activation applies here, as wounds are applied one at a time. If the sang priest has been killed the next wound is applied after he is dead, or it would be applied to him (as closest model).

As a parallel example. The simultaneous line of reasoning would allow a shadowfield save against all wounds from a given set of shooting even after one was failed, this is clearly not what happens.

Once the priest is dead you cannot measure 6" any longer.

"mixed wounds" on pg.15, bbrb, would make it seem that the tactic described in op is viable and that the rule is in fact designed to aid the shooter in achieving that exact result: take out the dude with the fnp/chalice first so the rest of the squad doesn't get it... Can't find my BA dex so am unable to comment on specifics of that rule, but am also not finding any thing that says "your power lasts all phase" or anything like that so...? Am thinking if he dies, his power dies with him, imho? (though not 100% yet...!)

Dagger wrote:
"mixed wounds" on pg.15, bbrb, would make it seem that the tactic described in op is viable and that the rule is in fact designed to aid the shooter in achieving that exact result: take out the dude with the fnp/chalice first so the rest of the squad doesn't get it... Can't find my BA dex so am unable to comment on specifics of that rule, but am also not finding any thing that says "your power lasts all phase" or anything like that so...? Am thinking if he dies, his power dies with him, imho? (though not 100% yet...!)

Mixed or not, wounds are allocated one at a time always. Fast rolling gives an illusion it's simultaneous.

 Kevin949 wrote:
Mixed or not, wounds are allocated one at a time always. Fast rolling gives an illusion it's simultaneous.

And the rules actually tell us that all shooting from a single unit is simultaneous.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Kevin949 wrote:
Mixed or not, wounds are allocated one at a time always. Fast rolling gives an illusion it's simultaneous.

And the rules actually tell us that all shooting from a single unit is simultaneous.

Read my earlier posts about refuting that aspect in regards to the question.

I saw them, but you did not prove that the "all of the models in the unit fire at the same time" P.13 rule is overridden when it comes to allocating wounds.

 DeathReaper wrote:
I saw them, but you did not prove that the "all of the models in the unit fire at the same time" P.13 rule is overridden when it comes to allocating wounds.

You obviously didn't since I posted multiple locations in the book that state allocating wounds is one at a time. The to-hit rolls are all simultaneous, regardless to how they're rolled. The to-wound rolls are "not" simultaneous. They are two completely separate steps in the shooting phase and are resolved differently. Even in the shortened breakdown at the very beginning of the shooting phase section it shows you this.

"but you must complete all the firing by one unit before you move on to the next." P.12

"all of the models in the unit fire at the same time" P.13

"The shooting process can be summarised in five steps... Once you've completed this shooting sequence with one of your units, select another and repeat the sequence." P.12

They all fire at the same time and these passages equate fire and the shooting process/shooting sequence.

 DeathReaper wrote:
"but you must complete all the firing by one unit before you move on to the next." P.12

"all of the models in the unit fire at the same time" P.13

"The shooting process can be summarised in five steps... Once you've completed this shooting sequence with one of your units, select another and repeat the sequence." P.12

They all fire at the same time and these passages equate fire and the shooting process/shooting sequence.

Ok, so they all fire at the same time. They don't all wound at the same time though as evidenced by the sub-steps you take during the allocation process. Either way, the moment a model is removed from play as a casualty it is just that, and no where does it say to keep their rules in play for the whole shooting phase or to count them as still around or so on. So when you show me that you can draw range for this ability on a priest that is removed from play as a casualty then I'll grant your point. Until then, shooting is doing simultaneous and wounding is done one-by-one.

DR is not saying that the Priest is "alive" for the whole Shooting phase, only for the entirety of the given units firing.

As soon as he is reduced to 0 wounds, he is removed as a casualty and cannot be measured to.

He might be alive, but cannot be measured to.

The answer is very easy. Don't leave the priest out on his own at the front.

 liturgies of blood wrote:
The answer is very easy. Don't leave the priest out on his own at the front.

Indeed. Though with a 2+ LoS! there's little reason to be worried.

 Kevin949 wrote:
Ok, so they all fire at the same time. They don't all wound at the same time though as evidenced by the sub-steps you take during the allocation process. Either way, the moment a model is removed from play as a casualty it is just that, and no where does it say to keep their rules in play for the whole shooting phase or to count them as still around or so on. So when you show me that you can draw range for this ability on a priest that is removed from play as a casualty then I'll grant your point. Until then, shooting is doing simultaneous and wounding is done one-by-one.

If they all shoot at the same time, then the whole shooting process must be resolved as if everything happens at the same time.

Wound allocation is on a model by model basis, but as "all of the models in the unit fire at the same time" P.13 then woulds will be suffered at the same time, even though they are allocated model by model.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Kevin949 wrote:
Ok, so they all fire at the same time. They don't all wound at the same time though as evidenced by the sub-steps you take during the allocation process. Either way, the moment a model is removed from play as a casualty it is just that, and no where does it say to keep their rules in play for the whole shooting phase or to count them as still around or so on. So when you show me that you can draw range for this ability on a priest that is removed from play as a casualty then I'll grant your point. Until then, shooting is doing simultaneous and wounding is done one-by-one.

If they all shoot at the same time, then the whole shooting process must be resolved as if everything happens at the same time.

Wound allocation is on a model by model basis, but as "all of the models in the unit fire at the same time" P.13 then woulds will be suffered at the same time, even though they are allocated model by model.

Why must it? You saying it must doesn't mean that's how it is. Wounds were always allocated model-by-model but now they are specifically taken one at a time.

It must because of the rules quotes I provided earlier that the passages equate fire to the shooting process/shooting sequence.

 DeathReaper wrote:
It must because of the rules quotes I provided earlier that the passages equate fire to the shooting process/shooting sequence.

Sure...all the way up to step 5. The rules you quoted simply say "all the models fire at the same time, regardless to if the dice are rolled together or not." And that's it. It equates nothing to the "shooting process/sequence" other than the to-hit and to-wound rolls are rolled together (respectively).

If allocating and removal was under the same process then they would not have gone out of their way to specify "one at a time" in so many different areas, while only mentioning "all models fire at the same time" just once.

"you must complete all the firing by one unit before you move on to the next." P.12

"all of the models in the unit fire at the same time" P.13

Fire = the unit's firing= the shooting sequence

 DeathReaper wrote:
"you must complete all the firing by one unit before you move on to the next." P.12

"all of the models in the unit fire at the same time" P.13

Fire = the unit's firing= the shooting sequence

To avoid a circular argument at this point I'll simply say "Nope."

To which I'm sure you'll say "Yup."

So there you go.