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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Now, I love meat.

You can't just softball them in like that.
I think its because the word "vegetarian" ha gotten synonymous with "Obnoxious fools" and that those options are only there for them.
Anyone else got any ideas?

/hits nail on head
And also because it often doesn't taste very good, although I think that has changed a lot in recent years.
My uncle Rod is a vegan, and it's really just obnoxious.

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I like a lot of vegetarian dishes, but I am not a fan of meat-substitute kind of dishes.

I have eaten some things that include Tofu that are pretty tasty, but I have yet to find anything that includes Tofu specifically as a meat substitute that I like. Same with vegetable meat patties and things like that.

I find that vegetarian dishes from cultures that have historically eaten less meat can be very delicious though. Ethiopian, Indian, and Middle Eastern food have some outstanding vegetarian options that are full of flavor and deliciousness.

Vegetarian dishes can be great if they just realize that they are tasty vegetarian dishes. Vegetarian dishes that follow the whole "how can I make we pretend that there is meat in here when there isn't" usually turn out crappy I think.
   
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Good quality fresh tofu is awesome if you know how to prepare it, but pretty pointless if not.

I don't see the point in pretend meat.

Plenty of "proper" vegetarian food is really nice.

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We have tried them.

By and large, any food that has "I'm not meat, so eat me!" on it is going to taste bad.
   
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 AustonT wrote:

/hits nail on head
And also because it often doesn't taste very good, although I think that has changed a lot in recent years.
My uncle Rod is a vegan, and it's really just obnoxious.


Honestly, it depends on the person. I've a friend who's Vegan, but I didn't know it until well after I met him because he's not a preachy vegan who attempts to force everyone else to be one. In fact, he's engaged to a non-Vegan and will cook non-Vegan dishes and meals, he just won't eat them. As a reward for being a non-pushy vegan, I always make sure there's a Vegan friendly option when I attend their Magic nights(I always bring snacks), be it some sort of Vegan friendly chips or non-gelatin based, non-dairy based candy.

Man makes a mean Tofu, too.

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 Chongara wrote:
I'd stab my own mother for just about anything made with ground chickpeas.


O.o Priorities man...most of us would choose a nice, bloody steak after offering up a motherly sacrifice. Chickpeas? Wha? Unless we're discussing garlic-lovers hummus. That stuff is the tits on pita bread.


To be honest, I'm not a huge steak person. It's OK, and once in a great while I really get in the mood for it, but I'm really more of a Pork person at heart. In fact beef in general ranks pretty far down on my scale for the most part, way after Pork, Seafood (fried whole-belly clams, anything with tentacles or an exoskeleton, yum!), Chicken and quite a few vegetables & fruits I like.

Sorry, Cows just aren't really my thing.While I do appreciate a nice burger, I'd probably take a patty-shaped felafel on a hamburger bun over a regular burger any day 9 days out of 10.

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I've eaten vegetarian many times.


Oh, silly me. I meant herbivores. Same thing, right?

I can't eat most indian dishes due to the spice mix used (allergies) and I'm also allergic to coconut and many other nuts. This pretty much rules out many vege dishes.


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I think a lot of it comes from the lack of good vegetables that were available when most of us were younger. Mass produced canned vegetables suck, but for the most part that's all there was when I was a kid. The freezing process has gotten a lot better and cheaper, not to mention that fresh vegetables are pretty easy to get your hands on now. I won't go as far as to say I'm a convert but for the past 10 years I've eaten my full allotment of vegetables just about every day.

You will rarely if ever find me choosing the vegie only option though. I like meet, its good. Meet substitutes pretty much suck, although I have met some decent ones.

Just thinking of those nasty greyish green canned peas form grade school makes me feel sick.

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I simply prefer meat, I have never had a good vegetarian burger for instance.

I will happily eat vetegarian food though, a lot of it is really nice, but meat subtitutes really aren't.

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dkellyj wrote:
Most of us understand that we are omnivores. Are bodies are adapted to eating both vegetable and animal material, getting the various nutrients and protiens our bodies need for healthy growth and life.
For those who go pure meat, scurvy (lack of vitamin C) comes on pretty fast. for those who go pure veggie (especially if they force that on their children), the lack of animal based protein inhibits brain development (sorry, despite all of the hoopla, soy based protein is not a viable substitute).


Pretty much this.

I've nothing against vegetarians, but most I've come across have the biggest superiority complexes I've ever encountered.

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I'm happy to eat vegetarian (or even vegan) food, and generally find that the real vegetable route is nicer than the 'imitation meat' one

but I find it doesn't leave me satisfied for long, i feel hungry later and end up eating again (rinse and repeat if it's more vegetarian stuff)

so maybe healthier but less satisfying

 
   
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My trouble with vegetarian/vegan options is that they are trying to replicate something that has existed forever in the form of meat, dairy whatever.

I love veg and will often cook a meal with no meat in it, but I do not like the "pretend" bit of it all. If it is meant to be a meat dish, put meat in it. If it is something meant to be without meat, then no meat.

Thinking this also turns a lot of people off to the idea.

 
   
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 Shadowseer_Kim wrote:
My trouble with vegetarian/vegan options is that they are trying to replicate something that has existed forever in the form of meat, dairy whatever.

I love veg and will often cook a meal with no meat in it, but I do not like the "pretend" bit of it all. If it is meant to be a meat dish, put meat in it. If it is something meant to be without meat, then no meat.

Thinking this also turns a lot of people off to the idea.

If the food is good... people will eat it.

What turns off a lot of folks are the "holier than thou" folks preaching vegan/veggie lifestyle.

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The best vegetarian food is the type that doesn't try to be something else. As others have said, there is nothing that can replace the taste of a burger if that's what you want.

The restaurant I work at has a farro risotto with mushrooms on the menu that will blow your fething mind, and it's totally vegetarian.

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I appreciate the veggie dishes when I do not trust the place that prepared the food to be of good quality, I wont get food poisoning from a veggie dish that is for sure.

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 SalamanderMarine wrote:
I appreciate the veggie dishes when I do not trust the place that prepared the food to be of good quality, I wont get food poisoning from a veggie dish that is for sure.


This is extremely untrue.

You can get all kinds of nasty things from unwashed vegetables, and a lot of food-borne illness comes from cross-contamination so if a kitchen is dirty or the cooks don't have good standards of hygiene you can get sick from anything that comes out of there.

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1.) Never much cared for the taste of a lot of vegetarian meat substitutes, but but a lot of vegetarian dishes are pretty good. However, I can rarely eat them because...

2.) I am severely allergic to tree nuts and peanuts, and moderately allergic to legumes. So that pretty much rules out most vegetarian alternatives except soy, which I am not allergic to.
   
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 Monster Rain wrote:
 SalamanderMarine wrote:
I appreciate the veggie dishes when I do not trust the place that prepared the food to be of good quality, I wont get food poisoning from a veggie dish that is for sure.


This is extremely untrue.

You can get all kinds of nasty things from unwashed vegetables, and a lot of food-borne illness comes from cross-contamination so if a kitchen is dirty or the cooks don't have good standards of hygiene you can get sick from anything that comes out of there.


Very true, but the time I had it I was concerned with undercooked chicken so the veggie option was a good option I think, if it was due to general hygiene standards and food safety practice then it would have made no difference admittedly.

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My mom has been on a vegetarian-kick for several years. I don't feel particularly healthier than I was before, nor do I feel some inherent moral satisfaction from it.

I'm rather ambivalent about it. I'm perfectly happy eating vegetarian options, but I don't prefer them, and am immediately drawn to meat when I eat out. I love meat so much... that juicy, meaty taste melting in your mouth, and the reassuring firmness of it on your teeth... I'm getting hungry.



 
   
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I don't choose a whole lot of veggies because they take up valuable slots in foc now maybe on a double I might

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There are so many other options than a "meat alternative" i.e. a veggie burger, that make vegetarianism a better option. Hell, I even love tofu because it absorbs the flavor of whatever you put in it like a sponge. I think that if you want vegetarian options, the best route is to eat foods from different countries. Curry's, salads, pastas, breads, fruits, pastries.... omg the options are endless and delicious. But really, apart from the hormones, anti-biotics, and other chemicals pumped into our meats (in America), there isn't anything wrong with eating meat in your diet. But.. with anything, the closer to the sun in the food chain you eat - the more nutrients you receive. So eating a fresh, plant based diet is by far the healthiest option - and the most sustainable.

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Really, an omnivorous diet is the healthiest option, since you get the goodness of fruit and vegetables as well as that of fish and meat.

Going to either extreme just serves to cut you off from the goodness of what you don't eat, and requires the use of vitamin supplements or food with all sorts of added things, to the point where it's less food with added vitamins and more vitamins with added food.

A completely plant-based diet might be more sustainable (so long as the staple plants can keep up with demand as well as being hardy enough to put up with extreme weather and shifts in weather patterns), but it's not the healthiest option at all.

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 d-usa wrote:
I like a lot of vegetarian dishes, but I am not a fan of meat-substitute kind of dishes.


Yeah, this.

Vegetarian food works really well when it does its own thing, focuses on the freshness and it's own flavours. Some of the best pasta and curry dishes I've had were when I dated a vegetarian girl. And it wasn't until then that I realised a plate of fruits and salads with a bit of sauce wasn't just a decent substitute for a meal, but completely fething delicious.

But vegetarian food that takes a regular dish and replaces the meat with some kind of thing that's pretending to be meat - feth that.


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 Avatar 720 wrote:
Really, an omnivorous diet is the healthiest option, since you get the goodness of fruit and vegetables as well as that of fish and meat.


Ideally, sure. But in the modern world people go past omnivorous, and eat so much more red meat than our ancestors ever dreamed of that it's actually a serious health issue. Bowel cancer is a major killer of men, and it's directly tied to the amount of red meat in many people's diets.

As a result, vegetarians actually live longer on average.


All of which basically just means that the health issue is basically moot. If you want to live healthily, then you can live a lot more healthily than the average person does whether you include meat or you don't.

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I watched a chef throw together a vegetarian curry a few weeks ago, and while I love mushrooms etc it just seemed so... incomplete without some chicken thighs in there. Despite being an utter carnivore, if it came down to it I'd probably prefer the veggie option to some of the mechanically recovered meat products that are out there; ultimately for me there's just little that can top a nice blue steak, or beef Wellington.
   
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I enjoy the vegetarian options that are 'real'. My local pub makes an amazing salad with gingered apples, dried cranberries, goat's cheese, and almonds that I will get every time they have it. Conversely, I get zero enjoyment from a boca-burger, and will never eat one again.

So, basically, what everyone else has been saying.

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I think folks are looking at this whole veggie burger thing wrong (including some of the folks making them).

They taste nothing like burgers so it's silly to really call them that, the only thing they have in common is the shape. Of course they're going to be disappointing if you go in expecting something that tastes like meat.

However, I think many stand on their own merits as "Patty-Shaped Vegetable Sandwiches with Cheese and Mushrooms", and should be advertised as such. After all we wouldn't begrudge a grilled cheese sandwich for not being a ham and cheese sandwich.

Two things simply going between bread, and being roughly the same shape isn't really any reason to approach them the same way.

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 Chongara wrote:
I think folks are looking at this whole veggie burger thing wrong (including some of the folks making them).

They taste nothing like burgers so it's silly to really call them that, the only thing they have in common is the shape. Of course they're going to be disappointing if you go in expecting something that tastes like meat.

However, I think many stand on their own merits as "Patty-Shaped Vegetable Sandwiches with Cheese and Mushrooms", and should be advertised as such. After all we wouldn't begrudge a grilled cheese sandwich for not being a ham and cheese sandwich.

Two things simply going between bread, and being roughly the same shape isn't really any reason to approach them the same way.


That doesn't sound bad surprisingly, but there is still a weird texture to it, I'd rather place mushrooms (sauteed, fresh, w/e), some greens, maybe some onions, etc.. in between two slices of cheese and toasted with 2 slices of bread ala grilled cheese, but then again that goes with the fresh over meat substitute.

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I've often gone for vegetarian options when I've been places I don't know simply because I like to know where my meat has come from. Generally, I know where I am with vegetarian food and know it will be at least tolerable if not quite pleasant. I'm not dedicated to eating ethically as such, but I don't like eating especially cheap looking meat or cuts of meat I'm not keen on. One place I went for a course a few years ago served particularly cheap sausages, the sort you get a bunch for about 20p. I gave them a miss thanks and went for the cheese and onion quiche.

That isn't the only reason I'll go veggie though, sometimes it just looks really tasty.

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I eat quite a few vegetarian dishes, as my partner is a pescetarian (she eats seafood), but as she works in a cafe she is not averse to preparing and cooking meat, but usually if we are making something like fajitas or pasta I'll go veggie because it's easier than cooking two meals.

My main problem with vegetarianism is vegetarians. I'd say 70% of the vegetarians I've met in my life will pontificate about how their lifestyle is superior and how being an omnivore is as bad as clubbing baby seals to death with a sack made out of siberian tiger fur filled with orphaned kittens, which has led me to develop the ultimate (and incredibly infuriating response) to anyone who rags on me for eating meat:
I'm hungry and they are probably better off dead

I would try more vegetarian dishes, but my main problem with vegetarian food in restaurant/etc is that it either they are half-assed options (e.g. the standard 'vegetable lasagne') or they bulk out the dish with chick peas or lentils (or similar leguminous foodstuffs) and I just don't like the taste or texure, incidentally, this is also the problem my partner has as she also shares my loathing for chick peas/lentils/etc. Most of the time places just really don't put any effort into their vegetarian options

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