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Its triggered at the end of the movement phase, then if anything that arrived that turn can be shot if in los and range. If theres a concern of flying to far from range use the Icharus las cannon its 96 inches. Personally Id want to shoot something in my face .

Though I see what your saying about shooting it as it comes on and flies by ya. Though that would be cool it dosent happen here.

Since the interceptor shots are done at the end of the enemy movement phase, can the gun with interceptor shoot the troops that come out of a drop pod instead of the pod, since the troops have come out of reserve as well? Our gaming group is debating this issue.

 Ventus wrote:
Since the interceptor shots are done at the end of the enemy movement phase, can the gun with interceptor shoot the troops that come out of a drop pod instead of the pod, since the troops have come out of reserve as well? Our gaming group is debating this issue.

Yes, you shot one unit that arrived from reserves.

 Ventus wrote:
Since the interceptor shots are done at the end of the enemy movement phase, can the gun with interceptor shoot the troops that come out of a drop pod instead of the pod, since the troops have come out of reserve as well? Our gaming group is debating this issue.

An easy answer to this is that you could place the squad on the opposite side of the drop pod to the quad gun, reducing if not eliminating the number of models that are in LOS.

insaniak wrote:The requirement for the vehicle to have arrived within range and LOS is simply the trigger for taking the shot. You would still need range and LOS at the time of taking the shot in order to actually hit it, since the rule doesn't say otherwise. So the vehicle needs to arrive within range and LOS in order for interceptor to work... and then you take a shot as per the normal shooting process.


I am leaning further towards the idea that the issue here is just a missing comma, though.

By absolutely strict black-letter RAW, i believe this is the correct interpretation. While I have no doubt that GW left out a comma because the rules were written without being edited for a tabula rasa player, RAW is king.

To reconcile it, I prefer to think that the first condition is what sets off the interceptor's radar and "smart" tracking, and the second condition is the actual firing of the guns. If the alarm doesn't get tripped in the first place, then the bullets don't fly.

heh, I kinda like Rifts interpretation. All I have to do is make sure my vendetta enters the table 49" away from the quad gun and it can't use interceptor.

The only problem with that interpretation I see is drop pods or other deep strikers. They "ended their movement" where they landed. How do you determine where they started their movement?

 Kevin949 wrote:
The only problem with that interpretation I see is drop pods or other deep strikers. They "ended their movement" where they landed. How do you determine where they started their movement?

Then either you can shoot at deep striking units because they "arrived from freaking space!" or you have to read the "that arrived from reserve within its range and line of sight" means where it's final location is.

“At the end of the enemy Movement phase, a weapon with the Interceptor special rule can be fired at any one unit that has arrived from reserve within its range and line of sight.”

 kronk wrote:

 Kevin949 wrote:
The only problem with that interpretation I see is drop pods or other deep strikers. They "ended their movement" where they landed. How do you determine where they started their movement?

Then either you can shoot at deep striking units because they "arrived from freaking space!" or you have to read the "that arrived from reserve within its range and line of sight" means where it's final location is.

“At the end of the enemy Movement phase, a weapon with the Interceptor special rule can be fired at any one unit that has arrived from reserve within its range and line of sight.”

Well that's what I'm saying, with Insaniak's proposed interpretation you have no basis of where the unit arrived "from", I.E. you don't have distance or an entry point. You only know where they ended their movement.

The latter interpretation of "shoot at them depending on where they ended their movement, and thus 'arrived' from reserves" is probably the more accurate and less confusing route. To me, anyway.

 Kevin949 wrote:
Well that's what I'm saying, with Insaniak's proposed interpretation you have no basis of where the unit arrived "from", I.E. you don't have distance or an entry point. You only know where they ended their movement.

Hence my pointing out that I think this is just a grammar fail issue rather than how it is supposed to be played...

Since this argument is still going on... Just going to reiterate that completing your movement is all part of "Arriving from Reserves" on page 124.

Check page 124, under the section ARRIVING FROM RESERVE.

Arrive from reserve includes the movement you take on the turn you arrive from reserve.

So, at the end of your movement, I check to see if any unit Arrived From Reserve within my range and Line of Sight. Since the movement you do with your reserve units is part of Arriving from Reserve, then as long as the model is currently (after your movement) in range and line of sight, I can shoot.

-Matt

HawaiiMatt wrote:
Check page 124, under the section ARRIVING FROM RESERVE.

Arrive from reserve includes the movement you take on the turn you arrive from reserve.

So, at the end of your movement, I check to see if any unit Arrived From Reserve within my range and Line of Sight. Since the movement you do with your reserve units is part of Arriving from Reserve, then as long as the model is currently (after your movement) in range and line of sight, I can shoot.

-Matt

Feel like I've said that... twice now

jms40k wrote:

HawaiiMatt wrote:
Check page 124, under the section ARRIVING FROM RESERVE.

Arrive from reserve includes the movement you take on the turn you arrive from reserve.

So, at the end of your movement, I check to see if any unit Arrived From Reserve within my range and Line of Sight. Since the movement you do with your reserve units is part of Arriving from Reserve, then as long as the model is currently (after your movement) in range and line of sight, I can shoot.

-Matt

Feel like I've said that... twice now

Well you have been right twice now : )

 Rift wrote:
I quoted it exactly like it is in the book, as I said pg. 38 if you want to confirm.

Yes you did, but arriving in LOS and range is only one of the criteria for them being a viable target; the others are listed in the shooting section. Two of them are range and LOS.

jms40k wrote:

HawaiiMatt wrote:
Check page 124, under the section ARRIVING FROM RESERVE.

Arrive from reserve includes the movement you take on the turn you arrive from reserve.

So, at the end of your movement, I check to see if any unit Arrived From Reserve within my range and Line of Sight. Since the movement you do with your reserve units is part of Arriving from Reserve, then as long as the model is currently (after your movement) in range and line of sight, I can shoot.

-Matt

Feel like I've said that... twice now

I think we're both right then. Unless somebody wants to argue that how to move your unit while arriving from reserve, which is under the heading Arriving from reserve, is somehow not part of Arriving from Reserve.

-Matt

meh ignore.

A similar problem I've just thought of that may have an impact on this discussion is the wording and subsequent FAQ regarding Coteaz's I've Been Expecting You rule. His rule uses similar language regarding the use of "arrive" about when he can shoot. The FAQ goes on to clarify that it's their point of arrival on the board, after scatter if deepstriking, that is used to activate the rule.

I understand it's slightly different since Coteaz gets to shoot immediately while the quad gun must wait until the end of the movement phase but it seems like an interesting parallel between the rules. It also makes me wonder, does Coteaz get to fire at someone if they didn't start out in his range but end up in his range while still arriving from reserves?

For instance, a drop pod with a Tac squad arrives 15" away from Coteaz thus not qualifying for IBEY but the Tac squad then uses its disembark to move towards Coteaz and ends their move 11" away so that they may rapid fire. Does Coteaz get to fire as soon as the squad crosses the 12" mark or did he miss his chance because they arrive 15" away?

I know that I'm just some guy on the Internet and nobody has to believe that I have a like Ph.D. in English and have been teaching English at college since 1991, but for whatever it's worth here's the correct version of the grammar issue here.

GWs sentence is grammatically correct, but written in such a way that it's not possible to determine the meaning from the sentence itself.

“At the end of the enemy Movement phase, a weapon with the Interceptor special rule can be fired at any one unit that has arrived from reserve within its range and line of sight.”

"that has arrived from reserve" is a restrictive clause modifying the obect-of-the-preposition "unit," and that's the only possible interpretation of that part.

"within its range and line of sight" is a prepositional phrase that either modifies "unit" or "arrived," and it's a defect of English grammar that it's not possible to tell which from the way it's positioned.

Either the sentence is saying
...any one unit that has arrived from reserve.
plus
....any one unit that [is] within its range and line of sight.

or it is saying
....any one unit that has arrived from reserve
plus
...any one unit that arrived within range and line of sight.

The restrictive clause "that has arrived..." must be placed next to the word it modifies, "unit" or else it would break the rules of grammar and create a misplaced modifier error.

Placement of prepositional phrases is more flexible in English, so GW's writers bumped it down to the end of the sentence to avoid misplacing the restrictive clause. But flexibility also makes prepositions subject to ambiguity of this kind. GW Should have rewritten the sentence to make the meaning clear, or split it into two sentences.

I don't think that adding a comma makes any difference. Putting a comma there just makes the prepositional phrase nonrestrictive, which would be grammatically incorrect since the phrase "within its range and line of sight" is restrictive (that is, it is necessary to the meaning of the sentence). A comma still wouldn't tell us whether "within" was meant to modify "unit" or "arrived."

Sorry for the non-answer answer :\

 Flavius Infernus wrote:
I know that I'm just some guy on the Internet and nobody has to believe that I have a like Ph.D. in English and have been teaching English at college since 1991, but for whatever it's worth here's the correct version of the grammar issue here.

GWs sentence is grammatically correct, but written in such a way that it's not possible to determine the meaning from the sentence itself.

“At the end of the enemy Movement phase, a weapon with the Interceptor special rule can be fired at any one unit that has arrived from reserve within its range and line of sight.”

"that has arrived from reserve" is a restrictive clause modifying the obect-of-the-preposition "unit," and that's the only possible interpretation of that part.

"within its range and line of sight" is a prepositional phrase that either modifies "unit" or "arrived," and it's a defect of English grammar that it's not possible to tell which from the way it's positioned.

Either the sentence is saying
...any one unit that has arrived from reserve.
plus
....any one unit that [is] within its range and line of sight.

or it is saying
....any one unit that has arrived from reserve
plus
...any one unit that arrived within range and line of sight.

The restrictive clause "that has arrived..." must be placed next to the word it modifies, "unit" or else it would break the rules of grammar and create a misplaced modifier error.

Placement of prepositional phrases is more flexible in English, so GW's writers bumped it down to the end of the sentence to avoid misplacing the restrictive clause. But flexibility also makes prepositions subject to ambiguity of this kind. GW Should have rewritten the sentence to make the meaning clear, or split it into two sentences.

I don't think that adding a comma makes any difference. Putting a comma there just makes the prepositional phrase nonrestrictive, which would be grammatically incorrect since the phrase "within its range and line of sight" is restrictive (that is, it is necessary to the meaning of the sentence). A comma still wouldn't tell us whether "within" was meant to modify "unit" or "arrived."

Sorry for the non-answer answer :\

er... coin toss or hope for FAQ?

From my Latin background in which I needed to know the technical english language in order to translate... that all makes sense to me.

 Flavius Infernus wrote:
Lots of goodness.

That, sir, was well said.
Thank you for spending the time to type all that out.