Typhus' Destroyer Hive

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**Neronoxx**

40k-noob wrote:
seems to me that you can charge the enemy controlling or close to the gun and in the charge move end up in BTB with the gun and thus strike it at initiative during the fight subphase.

However you cannot declare a charge against the gun as it is not an enemy unit.

This is how i think it works. If you want to enter in to combat with an aegis defense line, then you must charge the unit manning the gun, and pile in next to the gun. The rule for gun emplacements gives you explicit permission to attack the gun in close combat, and so you can, auto-hitting it. however, the only way to get into close combat with the gun is to charge a unit next to said gun. But then comes the issue of whether or not you would have to declare a multi-charge or not, as the gun is a separate unit from the one you are charging.

don_mondo wrote:Or maybe, just maybe, you can only charge it when it is manned by an enemy model, making it an enemy model. Ya think?

This is how it probably SHOULD have been written, as that makes a lot more sense.

**Lordhat**

40k-noob wrote:

However you cannot declare a charge againt the gun as it is not an enemy unit.

Following this logic, you cannot shoot it either, as you cannot target it as it is not an enemy unit. However, there is explicit permission to both shoot and attack these models.

**Neronoxx**

Lordhat wrote:
40k-noob wrote:

However you cannot declare a charge againt the gun as it is not an enemy unit.

Following this logic, you cannot shoot it either, as you cannot target it as it is not an enemy unit. However, there is explicit permission to both shoot and attack these models.

No. We have EXPLICIT PERMISSION to shoot the gun emplacement, given to us by the Battlefield debris subsection on Pg 105. This subsection also gives us permission to attack it in close combat.

What you do not have sir, is EPLICIT PERMISSION TO CHARGE THE GUN EMPLACEMENT.
If you want to charge the Aegis Gun Emplacement, you need to find a page in the rule book that either;
A) Declares the Aegis Gun Emplacement is in fact an Enemy unit, not a neutral one, or;
B) Find explicit permission to charge the gun emplacement.
If you cannot do either of these things, then you may not charge an Aegis Gun Emplacement.

**grendel083**

Neronoxx wrote:
And just how are you striking blows if you have not charged? Because as far as i know, in order to enter combat, you must charge.

Charging isn't a requirement of striking blows. It's just the usual method to get models into B2B.

**jy2**

You cannot declare a charge on the gun emplacement. The only way to attack it is to declare a charge on an enemy unit nearby and then pile into the gun emplacement as well.

But if you are doing that already, why even bother? Just pile into the enemy with Typhus and use his Destroyer Hive to kill both enemies and cultists. That's a better way to increase the Tally.

**Neronoxx**

grendel083 wrote:
Neronoxx wrote:
And just how are you striking blows if you have not charged? Because as far as i know, in order to enter combat, you must charge.

Charging isn't a requirement of striking blows. It's just the usual method to get models into B2B.

Can you cite a page in the rule book that supports this?
Then if you can, can you cite a page in the rule book that allows typhus to make use of said rule if it is not intrinsic to all units?

jy2 wrote:You cannot declare a charge on the gun emplacement. The only way to attack it is to declare a charge on an enemy unit nearby and then pile into the gun emplacement as well.

But if you are doing that already, why even bother? Just pile into the enemy with Typhus and use his Destroyer Hive to kill both enemies and cultists. That's a better way to increase the Tally.

Most people are taking typhus with a large squad of cultists, charging their own Aegis Gun Emplacement on turn 1, activating the destroyer hive to bump up the tally right off the bat.

**Happyjew**

Just out of curiosity, for the nay-sayers on being able to charge the weapon, how do you shoot at the weapon? After all in order to shoot you have to target an enemy unit and I think most agree that the weapon is not an enemy unit.

**Neronoxx**

Happyjew wrote:
Just out of curiosity, for the nay-sayers on being able to charge the weapon, how do you shoot at the weapon? After all in order to shoot you have to target an enemy unit and I think most agree that the weapon is not an enemy unit.

As i have already cited the rules for this, I'll ask you to read back a little bit. The Gun Emplacement's rules provide an exception to the normal shooting rules, allowing it to be shot. They do not provide an exception to the charge rules. Read the rules for Gun Emplacements and this becomes remarkably clear.

**kirsanth**

Also, scattering shots are not all that uncommon.

/shrug

**Janthkin**

Topic? This thread isn't directed at gun emplacements.