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 AtoMaki wrote:
Vendetta. This isn't even a question. I hope GW will burn that thing out from the next IG codex. And this comes from a guy who owns 6 Vendettas .

Vendettas are like like woman of negotiable virtue. Nobody wants admit to playing with them.
I like my plastic cheese really dirty, and use a Vulture

Just being a flyer makes the vendetta that much better now? I suppose it is a cost effective option as well

Tyranid shrikes and gargoyles not on here, either?

And ofc, one could also look at which are best at supporting the rest of the units in their Codex...

A SoB force without Dominion Squads is just asking to get destroyed with nothing to say about it. Outflanking meltaguns will almost always do something nasty, and if they ride an Immolator that too will do something nasty.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Aren't Vanguard Veterans also a Fast Option in a Marine book.

What?! Do you see the title of this Poll? Vanguards have nothing to do with this poll.

 Lobukia wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Aren't Vanguard Veterans also a Fast Option in a Marine book.

What?! Do you see the title of this Poll? Vanguards have nothing to do with this poll.

Yes they do. The OP asked a vague question about Fast Attack options. Apparently, he meant to exempt vehicles, but he has ignored most of the other non-armored units.

Either the Vendetta or the Vulture.

Its an inarguable fact.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Aren't Vanguard Veterans also a Fast Option in a Marine book.

What?! Do you see the title of this Poll? Vanguards have nothing to do with this poll.

Yes they do. The OP asked a vague question about Fast Attack options. Apparently, he meant to exempt vehicles, but he has ignored most of the other non-armored units.

Ask what is best in the title, then asked which was most used in the thread (BTW, why do people have such a hard time having the question in the title match their question in their post?!... best =/= most used).

Regardless, Vanguards are neither.

Infact, Sanguinary Guard should probably be included. I'm not sure how the math hammer works out... but at the same point cost in my Blue Blood drop force, SG wipe TWC in game. Try running 270 points of each (kitted out to kill the other)... SG will easily hold their own

The question is a bit vague. The best at what? Flat out killing stuff? Supporting the rest of the army? Just being a real general annoying unit?

 Lobukia wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Aren't Vanguard Veterans also a Fast Option in a Marine book.

What?! Do you see the title of this Poll? Vanguards have nothing to do with this poll.

Yes they do. The OP asked a vague question about Fast Attack options. Apparently, he meant to exempt vehicles, but he has ignored most of the other non-armored units.

Ask what is best in the title, then asked which was most used in the thread (BTW, why do people have such a hard time having the question in the title match their question in their post?!... best =/= most used).

Regardless, Vanguards are neither.

Infact, Sanguinary Guard should probably be included. I'm not sure how the math hammer works out... but at the same point cost in my Blue Blood drop force, SG wipe TWC in game. Try running 270 points of each (kitted out to kill the other)... SG will easily hold their own

I suppose if you dont have anything to contribute....then dont contribute? Also FWIW sanguinary guard are elites, so thanks for coming out.

The question isnt vague. I asked what YOU think is the best FA unit. "Best" is subject to the person using them, you decide.

Screamers, they quite simply counter everything in-game except fliers.

Deep striking, multi-wound, eternal warrior, invlun'd jetbikes with a ton of attacks, St 5 Ap 2, armourbane

There are assault units which will out kill them versus specific targets, and even kill them for a fair point exchange, but their ability to engage and reliably kill almost anything with no real counter save for shoot them a bajillion times or tarpit them is insane.

Vendettas are really good and undercosted, but they're only really good for killing fliers, tanks and terminators, and are wholly killable by anything St 6 with a fair number of shots or better, they don't possess the same utility at murdering everything else on the table with almost no weaknesses that screamers currently have.

Thunderwolves are tough, but they're expensive, and you don't get a lot of wounds for that cost, and you have to buy expensive storm shields to make them any less vulnerable than normal marines; good, but hardly the best FA choice

Wraiths I personally have little experience with; the Necron players I know rarely use them, so it's possible they're better than screamers, from what I hear and understand of their statline, they're great assaulters, but they lack the ability to feth up absolutely everything on the table with virtual impunity.

Best looking: Death Riders

Best on TT: Vendetta or Vulture

 MajorStoffer wrote:
Screamers, they quite simply counter everything in-game except fliers.

Deep striking, multi-wound, eternal warrior, invlun'd jetbikes with a ton of attacks, St 5 Ap 2, armourbane

There are assault units which will out kill them versus specific targets, and even kill them for a fair point exchange, but their ability to engage and reliably kill almost anything with no real counter save for shoot them a bajillion times or tarpit them is insane.

Vendettas are really good and undercosted, but they're only really good for killing fliers, tanks and terminators, and are wholly killable by anything St 6 with a fair number of shots or better, they don't possess the same utility at murdering everything else on the table with almost no weaknesses that screamers currently have.

Thunderwolves are tough, but they're expensive, and you don't get a lot of wounds for that cost, and you have to buy expensive storm shields to make them any less vulnerable than normal marines; good, but hardly the best FA choice

Wraiths I personally have little experience with; the Necron players I know rarely use them, so it's possible they're better than screamers, from what I hear and understand of their statline, they're great assaulters, but they lack the ability to feth up absolutely everything on the table with virtual impunity.

Rumours floating that screamers may change in the new codex release next month.