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 wuestenfux wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
The Hobbit is not worth your money. Seriously.

I second this. Its not worth it after the releases so far.

I second this. For 100€, you can easily buy an entire new LotR force via ebay along with the Hobbit Rulebook and you get a LOT more stuff compared to the terribly overpriced starter.

Escape from goblin town =

1000+ Points of Thorins company

just shy of 400 points of goblins.

for £75, with a mini-rulebook, dice, scenario's & scenery. & and extra wizard.

Not that bad tbh. The rulebook on the other hand, i have it, love it, and use it. I you have not got the Funds to pick this up directly, Ebay be your best chance.

 Rarmah wrote:
Escape from goblin town =

1000+ Points of Thorins company

just shy of 400 points of goblins.

for £75, with a mini-rulebook, dice, scenario's & scenery. & and extra wizard.

Not that bad tbh. The rulebook on the other hand, i have it, love it, and use it. I you have not got the Funds to pick this up directly, Ebay be your best chance.

I wish people would stop giving the points value of Thorins' Company as though it improves the value. It's still just 15 plastic models, half of which they couldn't manage to keep in scale with the rest of the LotR dwarf line. It's like saying this: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat980016a&prodId=prod1830034a is good value just because it gives you 600+ points of models.

To be honest, it wouldn't be half bad if you didn't then have to go out and buy the Hard Back rulebook to actually find out how many points the models in the box were worth. (or if the rulebook wasn't going to become invalidated less than a year from now.)

The mini rulebook not having points in it is a dealbreaker for me. I loved the LOTR SBG and liked WOTR (wasn't a fan of the sheer number of minis needed, in the end). But one of the best things about it was being able to look through points in the rulebook and daydream up starter armies and warbands for myself. GW got lots of sales out of me that way. With the Hobbit, even though I love the book and I have always wanted my own Company of Dwarves, I'm not that pushed. For one, though I know it worked for the movies to make the Dwarves visually distinctive, for the minis I somehow feel it isn't as good. I'm tempted to buy a box of Dwarven Rangers and a RBG shireling instead.

Maxstreel wrote:
However, GW in their British way of doing business has decided to release some of the ugliest sculpts ever at some ridiculous prices.

What do ridiculous prices and ugly sculpts have to do with being British?

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 Rarmah wrote:
Escape from goblin town =

1000+ Points of Thorins company

just shy of 400 points of goblins.

for £75, with a mini-rulebook, dice, scenario's & scenery. & and extra wizard.

Not that bad tbh. The rulebook on the other hand, i have it, love it, and use it. I you have not got the Funds to pick this up directly, Ebay be your best chance.

I wish people would stop giving the points value of Thorins' Company as though it improves the value. It's still just 15 plastic models, half of which they couldn't manage to keep in scale with the rest of the LotR dwarf line. It's like saying this: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat980016a&prodId=prod1830034a is good value just because it gives you 600+ points of models.

To be honest, it wouldn't be half bad if you didn't then have to go out and buy the Hard Back rulebook to actually find out how many points the models in the box were worth. (or if the rulebook wasn't going to become invalidated less than a year from now.)

Yeah that always bugged me, why is Thorin so tall?!
I'd have to convert them to more how I imagined them I guess

Whoa 50% off? I wonder if this is true... Haha I'd feel bad just PMing a store owner asking about sales though unless I knew it was true.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 Rarmah wrote:
Escape from goblin town =

1000+ Points of Thorins company

just shy of 400 points of goblins.

for £75, with a mini-rulebook, dice, scenario's & scenery. & and extra wizard.

Not that bad tbh. The rulebook on the other hand, i have it, love it, and use it. I you have not got the Funds to pick this up directly, Ebay be your best chance.

I wish people would stop giving the points value of Thorins' Company as though it improves the value. It's still just 15 plastic models, half of which they couldn't manage to keep in scale with the rest of the LotR dwarf line. It's like saying this: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat980016a&prodId=prod1830034a is good value just because it gives you 600+ points of models.

To be honest, it wouldn't be half bad if you didn't then have to go out and buy the Hard Back rulebook to actually find out how many points the models in the box were worth. (or if the rulebook wasn't going to become invalidated less than a year from now.)

£30 for a 600point Standalone-all-hero-army, Yes please. You dont like the model's fine, or the Pricing Fine, or the rulebook, fine. I dont have to convice you then your minds made up. Toodles!

haha yep, I always thought it was funny people counted by number of models instead of points values. Sure its nice to have lots of models but its nicer to have an army you can use.

This is a really fun game so far to me, the biggest problem most people have with it is the cost. The models are really nice, and I do plan on picking some more up gradually, but until then, if I get tired of playing with the models I have, I'm thinking about printing up some paper stand-ups to use as proxies. That route would be super cheap, and get the same game for a fraction of the cost.

I haven't tried it yet, so it's possible that it would detract a little from the experience, but I play enough board games that use cardboard stand ups to represent characters and they are still just as fun.

So the game itself is worth it to me, because I think I can find a way to have fun with it for a while without spending too much extra.

Tezerel wrote:
haha yep, I always thought it was funny people counted by number of models instead of points values. Sure its nice to have lots of models but its nicer to have an army you can use.

Well then GW is missing out, they should just triple the points values of things and double the cost. They get twice the money but we get +50% value. Huzzah. ('-_-')

Edit: Because I can't resist, a quote from the late, great, Humphrey Lyttelton: "What do points mean?"

Personally, I feel like the best reason to get into The Hobbit isn't for the Hobbit stuff - it's for the Lord of the Rings stuff. The miniatures are really great and if you're into the setting then collecting the different ones is a treat. Unlike some 40k armies, you're not forced so much into buying multiples of the same unit - it's okay to just have one of whatever cool thing it is you decide you like, though you can pick up more if you really like them!

The Hobbit miniatures are cool, but they seem significantly more expensive than the Lord of the Rings ones, and at least for me they don't have quite the same emotional payload. I liked The Hobbit when I was little, but I liked Lord of the Rings more. I definitely feel like not including the points values of the miniatures in the box is a bit rotten, and I don't see any really good way around that since you need a copy of the rules, but the points costs are only included in the hardcover rulebook. Skipping the boxed set would leave you buying the hardcover for the rules anyway, and then you'd have the points values of the minis you don't have! The lack of points leaves the boxed set feeling more like Hero Quest or something to me, a little standalone game where you have to buy the "Actual Points Values" expansion for almost as much as the boxed set to expand the game. The Mines of Moria set rulebook had the points values for loads of models, the entire current range of the time from the looks of things, so the decision to not even include the points costs of the models in the box is really strange.

Er, anyway. The Hobbit/LotRSBG rules are fun and can be really cinematic with how the fights are set up as duels rather than just the combatants hacking away at each other, and it's really cool how in many cases you're collecting new, unique miniatures instead of more of the same ones. I'd recommend it more for the Lord of the Rings range than The Hobbit but whatever takes your fancy, and you can technically mix them if you want to.

 Dynamix wrote:
I cant convince you to get into the Hobbit as I have no conviction to do so myself

LoTR SBG was a great game and the base ruleset is IMO the best there is .

GW mucked about with LoTR with the new ' Codexe$ ' . To my regret I weakened and purchased a Mordor ' Codex ' that I will never use .

I am afraid the Hobbit looks like a damp squib - maybe when the Films get into large battle scenes this will get it some more interest , but the prices seem high and must be off-putting .

If GW think there will be another cash bubble from this , they are going to be mistaken ,

Exactly. They messed it up. Gw rep hinted to our shop owner they are going to do new codices next year too.
Play something else.

pardon my laziness if it's already been said (only read the OP and skimmed the rest), but though I'm annoyed at GW's marketing over the hobbit (£45 for four models (white council), £50 for a rulebook (however extravagant), and the pocket guide cutting out a large portion of what the LotR blue version had (i.e: complete rules and points for a large selection of models), I'm not as bothered about it as I would if it were to 40k- they need to make a little extra profit to pay for royalties towards using the hobbit title and such, and also the whole game system on the whole is a lot cheaper than any of the others- you can easily build a decent sized army for about £50 if you really want, so if the new stuff is reaching out more into the price range of the 40k range, though disappointing, I can at least say the cheapness of it was fun while it lasted.

I was looking at GW LOTR stuff last night. A few years ago, when I started, Trolls and Ents were 20 euro or so. Now they're 33.

The troops, well. 20 yo yos for 12 monopose goblins isn't wowing anyone. Especially when Tre Manor is offering 12 for around 18 euros, and they look much, much nicer.

I actually really like some of the plastic kits- the eagles, the hunter orcs and the wargs all look really nice and show how GWs plastic tech has improved. But the prices are just too much for me.

 Da Boss wrote:
I was looking at GW LOTR stuff last night. A few years ago, when I started, Trolls and Ents were 20 euro or so. Now they're 33.

The troops, well. 20 yo yos for 12 monopose goblins isn't wowing anyone. Especially when Tre Manor is offering 12 for around 18 euros, and they look much, much nicer.

I actually really like some of the plastic kits- the eagles, the hunter orcs and the wargs all look really nice and show how GWs plastic tech has improved. But the prices are just too much for me.

I feel EXACTLY the same way. I love some of the kits - the hunter orcs, wargs, eagles, rivedell cavelry and the dwarves, but the price is just so offputting. It's a real shame because it's put me of buying anything whatsoever to do with the hobbit.
I suppose I'll have to wait for them to become available cheaper on ebay :/

 Dawnbringer wrote:


Well then GW is missing out, they should just triple the points values of things and double the cost. They get twice the money but we get +50% value. Huzzah. ('-_-')

Edit: Because I can't resist, a quote from the late, great, Humphrey Lyttelton: "What do points mean?"

Yep baneblades and Hq units are all wastes of money because they are a lot of money but for only 1 model! The reason having a lot of high costing heroes in one set is good is these guys can be used as an army by themselves. 60 goblins or 10 dwarven heroes, if its a good army for 1/2 half the price who cares about the number of models.

AtomicPif wrote:
This is a really fun game so far to me, the biggest problem most people have with it is the cost. The models are really nice, and I do plan on picking some more up gradually, but until then, if I get tired of playing with the models I have, I'm thinking about printing up some paper stand-ups to use as proxies. That route would be super cheap, and get the same game for a fraction of the cost.

I haven't tried it yet, so it's possible that it would detract a little from the experience, but I play enough board games that use cardboard stand ups to represent characters and they are still just as fun.

So the game itself is worth it to me, because I think I can find a way to have fun with it for a while without spending too much extra.

A really fun game I like the models and am thinking of picking it up could be great

Tezerel wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:


Well then GW is missing out, they should just triple the points values of things and double the cost. They get twice the money but we get +50% value. Huzzah. ('-_-')

Edit: Because I can't resist, a quote from the late, great, Humphrey Lyttelton: "What do points mean?"

Yep baneblades and Hq units are all wastes of money because they are a lot of money but for only 1 model! The reason having a lot of high costing heroes in one set is good is these guys can be used as an army by themselves. 60 goblins or 10 dwarven heroes, if its a good army for 1/2 half the price who cares about the number of models.

I'm sorry, did you just compare a Baneblade (which while still quite costly is at least a giant tank), with man sized 28mm men? The point is they are still just a small number of not particularly detailed 28mm models. While there is some arguement for more points costly models costing more real money, it only holds when you consider that they are going to sell less of them (in terms of units) to make up the cost of the molds. That doesn't hold when they are part of the high production starter set. And while you may be able to build an "army" with them, I doubt it is a particularly useful one, at least the Fellowship never was.

I don't buy much of The Hobbit stuff because for me, I find it expensive and just can't afford that. Basically GW is now selling Lexus and Cadillacs not regular cars for the common gamer.

People who buy Lexus and Cadillacs don't complain about the price of the car. WE are not GW base buyers. If you have to complain about the price of a Lexus or GW then it's not for you. If you really want that Lexus, you have to save for it. Just like GW. If you want it, you have to save up for it.

That being said, I find it soooooo funny people are saying GW is expensive. You go on a date, or out for dinner by yourself you are spending $30-$100 for dinner. Funny wouldn't it be cheaper to buy at the grocery store and eat 5X as much?

People go to the bars and spend $200 for a nite and basically piss it out. At least $200 of GW will last months if not years of gaming.

People smoke, drink, and what not (in Canada because of taxes it's not cheap to smoke or drink) so it all depends on what the PERSON feels is expensive. I find drinking and smoking to be expensive and a waste of money. Others don't. Does that make me or them right?

So it comes down to, what does the PERSON feel if expensive and right? For some, spending $500 on The Hobbit is worth while, while others don't.

So it's up to the OP. Is it cost effective for him? Will he have fun with it? So cost up to a point should be considered, but to keep saying it's expensive and shouldn't be played in not correct to say. Other wise, people shouldn't be driving Lexus and Cadillicas or even Ferariers, or other high end cars.

Davor wrote:
I don't buy much of The Hobbit stuff because for me, I find it expensive and just can't afford that.

That being said, I find it soooooo funny people are saying GW is expensive.

So you find it funny that you're saying yourself that GW is expensive?

I'm not getting into it, nobody around me plays it, and the price is just too high to think about starting (rather start another Fantasy army to 'mix it up' when playing that).

However, I did order the two Great Eagle set, so that I can use them as High Elf great eagles in WHFB Eagles. I really don't like using the large metal ones I own. I can also support a new FLGS that opened up.

 heartserenade wrote:

Davor wrote:
I don't buy much of The Hobbit stuff because for me, I find it expensive and just can't afford that.

That being said, I find it soooooo funny people are saying GW is expensive.

So you find it funny that you're saying yourself that GW is expensive?

Well for me, with very limited funds at the moment, it is very expensive, just like not going to the movies because of the lack of funds to spare. Once I have the funds then I will get it despite the high price.

It's one thing to say the game is expensive and not spend the $100 or what not, then go to the bar that same weekend and spend $100 at the bar or what not. Yes I didn't explain myself, was tired when wrote it. But what I find people say is GW is expensive, but then will just spend that same money on something else just as frivolous or worse LOL.

I can find a loaf of bread expensive if it was sold for $35. Can I buy it? Yes. Is it expensive for a loaf of bread? Yes. Will I buy it? No.

A thing being expensive doesn't mean you can't afford it. It means its perceived value is not in line with the price. So you finding it "funny" is a bit weird, if you ask me.

Davor wrote:

 heartserenade wrote:

Davor wrote:
I don't buy much of The Hobbit stuff because for me, I find it expensive and just can't afford that.

That being said, I find it soooooo funny people are saying GW is expensive.

So you find it funny that you're saying yourself that GW is expensive?

Well for me, with very limited funds at the moment, it is very expensive, just like not going to the movies because of the lack of funds to spare. Once I have the funds then I will get it despite the high price.

It's one thing to say the game is expensive and not spend the $100 or what not, then go to the bar that same weekend and spend $100 at the bar or what not. Yes I didn't explain myself, was tired when wrote it. But what I find people say is GW is expensive, but then will just spend that same money on something else just as frivolous or worse LOL.

So your argument is that people cant complain about pricing of a particular article they want when they are also getting other stuff for the money?

You know what? Its always the price that decides ... no matter what you might want to get. Theres either a price you are willing to pay or a price you are not willing to pay. Spending money on other stuff doesnt make an argument about the price for something invalid.

To stay within your example but turn it around ... if i find myself in a bar where i get subpar overpriced drinks i take my money and drink somewhere else or go buy some models instead and tell my friends to do the same. Your argument turned around would now say ... because i also spent too much money on subpar overpriced models i should go drink in that gakky bar and stfu. Think about it.

Who says I am complaining?

So why would be GW being expensive be a problem then if people who say it's expensive and should be avoided just go out and do something else as expensive?

To not play LotR or The Hobbit because it's expensive is not a good reason to stay away IF you spend money on other expensive stuff, then price shouldn't matter.

No a reason not to play LotR or The Hobbit, is because it's very hard and in a case for me in my area, it's impossible to find players to play against if that is what you like to do.

I find the game fun. I find it more fun that 40K. Don't play fantasy so can't compare to it. So if money is not an issue, then I say yes, start up LotR. If price is an issue, then you will have to see what you would like and decide if LotR is for you or not.

Davor wrote:

So why would be GW being expensive be a problem then if people who say it's expensive and should be avoided just go out and do something else as expensive?

Going back to my bread analogy, I will not buy a $35 loaf of bread and buy $35 worth of items instead. I just spent my money buying something else that is "just as expensive" but I got more value out of it. That's not funny, that's called common sense. I wouldn't fault someone if they really want to buy that loaf of bread, but there's nothing "funny" about someone opting to buy what they feel like a more bang for the buck option.

No one says you're complaining. What we're pointing out is you criticizing people for thinking something is priced above its perceived value and spending their money on something else. Your "criticism" also applies to our hypothetical bread-buyer.

Again, being expensive does not mean you can't buy something. It just means you think it's priced more than what you want to pay for.

In an update to my original story, I went to the Games Workshop store today to see Thror the new Dwarf King model. I saw the pics in WD (and forgot to check his price) and was super-excited about taking a look at him in person and seeing what he would cost to buy.

Turns out, he's twenty bucks. TWENTY BUCKS, for one single infantry figure. He's a tiny figure too, tinier than I expected him to be. I bought a large-sized Reaper Spider in BONES plastic for $2.50 to use in Lord of the Rings, but the Dwarf King model is a tiny infantry figure that sells for $20. I had every intention of buying him, but at twenty bucks, I just put him back on the shelf. Even at 140 points, I just wouldn't get that much use out of him.

I mentioned this to the GW store guy, and he didn't even *try* to defend it. He's like "Hey man, what do you want me to say?"

LOL.

I may skip Starbucks for the week and get him, but holy cow, twenty bucks for one infantry figure.BTW, the store had plenty of the LE Hobbit box sets in stock. If they're still in stock in July, I may get one for my birthday.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

 chris_valera wrote:


I may skip Starbucks for the week and get him, but holy cow, twenty bucks for one infantry figure.BTW, the store had plenty of the LE Hobbit box sets in stock. If they're still in stock in July, I may get one for my birthday.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

This is why the stuff costs so much. Don't buy it, find a reaper stand in. Just say no to the:

You think its overpriced, enough to post the story online, and still intend to buy one after making savings elsewhere?

Personally, I'd just find a different model for the same thing. It's a Dwarf - not exactly uncommon.