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PhantomViper wrote:

lomax wrote:
The worst release of all WHFB time?

WHFB 8th edition.

Back under your bridge, and be sure to finish licking the windows before coming out again please.

I'd have to say the 7th edition Daemon book, as it really demonstrated everything that was bad about power creep. Other than that, I'd have to say the Skullcannon. The rules, fluff and model just make no sense to me really, and it's the most blatant release in a while that has been shoe-horned in to try and sell expensive new kits.

"Of all times" is way too broad to be viable...I'd say WHFB 8th magic rules / BRB lores. And the facerolling cannon of Khorne.

 Sigvatr wrote:
"Of all times" is way too broad to be viable...I'd say WHFB 8th magic rules / BRB lores. And the facerolling cannon of Khorne.

this minus the cannon thing.

7th Edition Demons: That book for a long time was the easiest argument for comp.

Although I must say some of the Lore do need to be toned back a bit. Purple Sun is a bit Ridiculous when it goes IF.

 tmarichards wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

lomax wrote:
The worst release of all WHFB time?

WHFB 8th edition.

Back under your bridge, and be sure to finish licking the windows before coming out again please.

If you don't know how to conduct a civilized discussion without resorting to name calling, I suggest that you don't take part in one.

There was no name calling. And because 8th edition is widely viewed as the most balanced edition GW has released ever saying its horrible really does smack of trolling, either that or you are a butt hurt 7th edition power gamer.

 Grey Templar wrote:
There was no name calling. And because 8th edition is widely viewed as the most balanced edition GW has released ever saying its horrible really does smack of trolling, either that or you are a butt hurt 7th edition power gamer.

There wasn't? So calling someone a troll and telling him to go lick windows isn't insulting where you come from?

I also find it funny that the "most balanced edition GW has released ever" has coincidently marked a general decline in the popularity of the game... In my country we've gone from 20+ players monthly STORE tournaments to general tournament cancellations due to not even an 8 person minimum being reached... We've gone from bi-anual 60 people nationals to anual 12 person tournaments...

I find if funny that the "most balanced edition GW has released ever" as shown WHFB dropping from 2nd place to 4th in ICv2's ranking system for NA.

And no, I'm not a "butt hurt 7th edition power gamer", I've played WHFB since 4th edition and if you ask me, the best rules edition was 6th, but even 7th was miles ahead of 8th edition as a core rule set. Daemons broke 7th edition, but that was a problem with the army book, not with the general rules.

Note in between 7th and 8th currently something has gone on to make the poularity of WHFB trail off the introduction of WarmaHordes has drained the playerbase as has GW price increases which push away older players rather than new. So actually everything you've said could be attributed to that. Also at my local store we lost half of our Fantasy old bloods because of Life Changing events (Child, New Job, and going back to school dropped something like 6 guys out of our fantasy pool.) These were then replaced by people who put 40k on the back-burner because it is fracking boring now.

Also Seventh was Terrible don't try and say anything else cause it just ain't true

This thread is full of sweet innocent children, who do not remember the 1990s.

Perfect Organism wrote:
This thread is full of sweet innocent children, who do not remember the 1990s.

Pfft, the chaos dwarves with their epic hats ruled the day!

Perfect Organism wrote:
This thread is full of sweet innocent children, who do not remember the 1990s.

I've seen the army and i want those Magnificent Hats

PhantomViper wrote:

lomax wrote:
The worst release of all WHFB time?

WHFB 8th edition.

8th is definitely better than the herohammer of 4th and 5th edition.

8th is a better game by far than third edition but it really is not a meaningful comparison because the changes from 3rd to 4th were really vast.

Comparing 8th to 6th and 7th edition reveals that they are indeed different but with different flaws and different strengths. I would say that the magic system has always been flawed and that they would just about have it right were it not for a handfull of OP spells.

The step up rule was a great idea but the inability to disrupt steadfast with rear and flank charges is really bad. Comparing skirmish rules from 7 to 8, they are just different and require different tactics. Cannons are too powerful but the way you move and determine charge success or failure is a great improvement over 7th.

Some people may not like the rules as a matter of personal taste but if you have played a lot of games in all the editions it is very obvious that there have been pros and cons to each edition. The worst thing about 7th was not the core rules at all but the incredible range of power among army books.

Too just make the blanket statement that 8th is the worst edition ever suggests to me that you have not really played a lot of games in all the editions and reacting emotionally rather than logically.

PhantomViper wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
There was no name calling. And because 8th edition is widely viewed as the most balanced edition GW has released ever saying its horrible really does smack of trolling, either that or you are a butt hurt 7th edition power gamer.

There wasn't? So calling someone a troll and telling him to go lick windows isn't insulting where you come from?

I also find it funny that the "most balanced edition GW has released ever" has coincidently marked a general decline in the popularity of the game... In my country we've gone from 20+ players monthly STORE tournaments to general tournament cancellations due to not even an 8 person minimum being reached... We've gone from bi-anual 60 people nationals to anual 12 person tournaments...

You were trolling no matter how much you try to backpedal now, your initial post was textbook 'bait' claiming the entire current edition is the worst thing ever with absolutely zero actual worthwhile content, to then claim being called a troll is offensive just makes your little attempt even more obvious. Now you're citing what's happening in your little meta game as proof of a worldwide downturn in WHFB, it says you're from Portugal? Maybe your country bankrupting itself has more to do with a decline in recreational spending than the release of 8th ed.

MarsNZ wrote:
it says you're from Portugal? Maybe your country bankrupting itself has more to do with a decline in recreational spending than the release of 8th ed.

This forum is definitely the place for macro economic discussions.

I believe the Euro has made steadfast all but necessary. But if China doesn't stop pegging its currency to the dollar it's clear Wood Elves are forever going to remain UP.

If that was a joke it wasn't a very good one.

It was kinda funny

The story of WFB falling off in popularity is also true here in Glasgow, from speaking to the FLGS manager and observing the lack of events compared to what I hear from a few years back. I suspect that we will see some surprisingly big changes in 9th as GW try to win customers back.

I hate to say this but here in Bulgaria there's only the six guys who play in the campaign we run that i've played fantasy with lately.

8th edition magic lores annoy me more than anything else, and that stupid skillscannon (yes I know that is not its proper name)

Magic was the main reason people dropped 8th in here. Magic and dumbed-down movement. Most switched to 40k as their main system and WHFB is really barren more or less..of 10 tournaments in my local area, 9 are 40k and the WHFB tourneys only got like 7-12 people playing compared to 30+ in 40k.

8th fantasy magic did ruin the game around here as well. Most of us are 40k with fantasy to jack around. Our LGS has put almost everything they have for wood elves and beastmen on clearance. The last time they sold a full price beastmen box was over a year ago and wood elves over 14 months ago. Fantasy was killed by 8th, around here.

lomax wrote:
I think both the new book and new models of WoC are the biggest disappointment of all WHFB time, what do you think?

fat chance the WoC book is much better than the Beastmen book. One viable build and defecating on everything.

I actually saw an increase in Fantasy with the release of 8th Edition. I don't think that the movement rules were dumbed down at all, true, there are some things that could change that would make it better, but overall it's a lot more fun.

But as far as the worst Fantasy release ever? Splitting up Chaos into three different factions. THE MOST obvious money grab GW has ever done.

Splitting Chaos was terrible. Both in 40k and Fantasy.

Anyone that left fantasy for 40k is now stuck in 6th. I think 6th is by far the worst set of core rules for 40k since second edition.

JWhex wrote:
Anyone that left fantasy for 40k is now stuck in 6th. I think 6th is by far the worst set of core rules for 40k since second edition.

I agree that sixth is pretty bad. The new books seem to be helping, but the trend around here seems to be moving away from 40k to fantasy.

Perhaps that's their strategy... Bounce people from one game system to the next... Ninth will send all the fantasy players back to 40k!

Perfect Organism wrote:
This thread is full of sweet innocent children, who do not remember the 1990s.

Two words: Marauder Miniatures. My gorge rises still, just typing that.


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JWhex wrote:
When GW decided to do OK as a new army instead of something interesting like Cathaty or Ind, I think that was the worst possible release.

The new WoC book is certainly far from the worst army book released. Among current books the beastmen and tomb kings are much worse than WoC. I would say demons also are worse because a lot of players do not appreciate the random game mechanics forced on them. There are army books like WE, Brets and Dwarves that are presently worse but they really dont count because they were not so bad when they were released.

If you played undead in 4th and most of 5th the first vampire count book really sucked because you were then left with a partial army and a lot of unusable models.

If you had a combined army of beastmen, demons and WoC when those armies were split you went from a solid army to parts of three different armies.

The Chaos Dwarf army book is perhaps the lamest army book ever because it wasnt even a real army book project, it was just a compilation of reprinted articles from the white dwarf magazine.

OK are the most blatant pandering to noob, OP money grab in the history of Fantasy. Oh, you're brand new and can't paint? Here's an army that has 1/4 the models as any other, and they're all really big so you don't have to worry about painting tiny faces! And they're super durable too, so you don't have to worry if you suck, you can make mistakes all day and still stay on the board!

MakesKidsKill wrote:


Two words: Marauder Miniatures. My gorge rises still, just typing that.

I think some of the old Maurader beastmen were decent, especially for the time. The Maurader dwarves range had many models that were characterful and are sought after today.

MakesKidsKill wrote:
OK are the most blatant pandering to noob, OP money grab in the history of Fantasy. Oh, you're brand new and can't paint? Here's an army that has 1/4 the models as any other, and they're all really big so you don't have to worry about painting tiny faces! And they're super durable too, so you don't have to worry if you suck, you can make mistakes all day and still stay on the board!

There are armies I would never get in a million years because I literally can't paint them. Not everyone is a watchmaker. And while there is skill involved that comes with practice, if you don't like painting tiny faces you're not necessarily a "noob," you're a person who drinks coffee and at the end of a day doesn't want to paint something using a microscope and a single rat hair brush.

DukeRustfield wrote:

MakesKidsKill wrote:
OK are the most blatant pandering to noob, OP money grab in the history of Fantasy. Oh, you're brand new and can't paint? Here's an army that has 1/4 the models as any other, and they're all really big so you don't have to worry about painting tiny faces! And they're super durable too, so you don't have to worry if you suck, you can make mistakes all day and still stay on the board!

There are armies I would never get in a million years because I literally can't paint them. Not everyone is a watchmaker. And while there is skill involved that comes with practice, if you don't like painting tiny faces you're not necessarily a "noob," you're a person who drinks coffee and at the end of a day doesn't want to paint something using a microscope and a single rat hair brush.

I know man, I'm just old and bitter and currently painting 70+ derpy faces on Empire Greatswords & State Troopers. I really didn't mean to impugn anyone.