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canadianguy wrote:
mmmm bound spell on an item representing a god that despises magic oh please dont!
I think the slaves sacrifice thing then have to kill other things of you run out.
I think units of slaves will never happen.

I wouldn't mind seeing something like what dark eldar get with pain tokens. It would make the army very distinct from other armies.

-Matt

I agree that has some potential.

I don't care if we get new models. In fact, I hope they keep our current unit roster pretty close to as-is. A hydra rebalance is fine, just a generic point cost drop on the rest of the army is not. I primarily just want a buff to the army's special rules. We get hatred. For one round. Whoop de doo. High elves get that for free every round. As much as I love my Dark Eldar's power from pain mechanic, simply copy/pasting that to fantasy seems a bit to unoriginal for me to get behind. Maybe something involving a leadership debuff when in combat with Dark Elves, to mimic dread at their savagery and sadism? Maybe a bonus in challenge to represent the arrogance and thirst to obtain power of the Dark Elf leadership?

If nothing else, though, whether they keep Hatred or not, the armywide special rules certainly need some form of buff. Or, if they don't touch the armywide rules, they should give us some nice magical trinkets and banners to make up for it. I suppose even Power from Pain copypaste would be better than nothing. Lore of Dark Magic of course needs an attribute: I was thinking, if it hits an enemy unit with a caster, the caster loses 1 power dice from their next magic phase. Sort of a magical draining/interference effect.

I think that you'd be greatly wrong to think that there won't be new models. That is kind of how GW do things. The question is merely what - MI/MC like other armies, or will they continue the sea monster theme and bring out a kraken or something?

 Charles Rampant wrote:
I think that you'd be greatly wrong to think that there won't be new models. That is kind of how GW do things. The question is merely what - MI/MC like other armies, or will they continue the sea monster theme and bring out a kraken or something?

Monstrous Cav and a fancy new chariot are obligatory, it seems.

What I really want is for executioners to go up to I6 and strike on their initiative and PLASTIC SPECIALS!

I'd echo that. I'm interested in getting into DE, but the finecast specials really put me off.

Decent Hydra model.

Plastic Witch Elves like the old (DIAZ?) ones.

Slaves pulling the cauldron and then being sacrifced sounds fun Alternatively a slave counter thing - so you get stuff the more slaves you sacrifice each turn but then run out quicker. Diorama tastic

Sexier Morthai model - come on she is supposed to be the most beautiful woman in the world (well along with the Everqueen and probably Nefarati)......

 curran12 wrote:
Things we as Dark Elf players should expect:

Increase points cost for Hydras (I love them and even I know they are super undercosted)

Nerfed effectiveness and/or increased point cost for Pendant of Khaelith (also one of those things that's just a little too good for as much as I love it)

I'm also bracing for a change to the no-dice ceiling for spellcasting, but we'll see.

What I'd like to see:

Options for Hydras. Either in the form of upgrades like the Storm of Magic hydra entry or variant forms like the old old hydras used to be.

Probably a new monster or two, Dark Elves love their beasts, so I'm hoping for some kind of stubborn, high toughness "tanking" beast rather than another beatstick.

Not so much tactical, but I'd bet money on a Cauldron of Blood plastic kit, possibly with some other variant build ala the Hurircanum/Luminark.

Personally, I hope that we do not get slaves, as that doesn't really fit the Dark Elf playstyle imo.

I think you can expect the pendant, dagger and ability to roll more than 6 dice to go bye-bye

I would not be surprised if the cauldron loses the bsb ability

Its likely that the DE will be hit with the nerf bat in other ways because GW tends to overcompensate when adjusting how good an army is

New witch and reaver models - that's about it

 Charles Rampant wrote:
I'd echo that. I'm interested in getting into DE, but the finecast specials really put me off.

Because of the price or are you afraid of the old finecast problems? If it´s not the price I can tell you GW got it on track now. I have bought a good amount of finecast lately and not a single model had serious issues. On the larger models (GD´s and stuff) you need to use greenstuff but it´s nothing compared to the old crapmetal stuff. The common troops are good as they are at least from my experience.

I bought and assembled a finecast SAG recently. It wasn't as bad as it could be. But there was bubbles lurking all over the place, most of which I missed, and I'm extremely leery of finecast spears and swords.

For anything other than characters, it is plastic or not at all.

 Charles Rampant wrote:
I bought and assembled a finecast SAG recently. It wasn't as bad as it could be. But there was bubbles lurking all over the place, most of which I missed, and I'm extremely leery of finecast spears and swords.

For anything other than characters, it is plastic or not at all.

I guess you got an "old" one. I have a LoC, some DoC, some orc heroes and DE stuff and all are "fine casts"
What buggers me is the Blackguard because of their poses. It kinda fits how they are staying like arrogant pricks on their bases but I would rather have a more dynamic pose.

I'd echo we can definitely expect to see the sac dagger get a nerf or go away completely and for the power dice cap to start applying to us (no more druchii sorcery). What I would like to see is a slight reworking of Dark Magic Lore to be more unique, and some form of army wide special rule to keep our units competitive. Ultimately, it would be nice if we were directly balanced with the new HE release, seeing as most of our units and HE units are direct mirrors of one another, but I highly doubt this will happen. Hydras will increase in points cost, and I would like to see the availablility of new MC or MI or MCav in the form of beasts etc. Honestly, reworking the COK into monstrous cavalry would indeed be neet, but would require new models making the old ones obsolete, which would be sad days :(.

How about this as a starting point:
Khainite units hate everything always!
Destroy a unit they get fear or frenzy, destroy a second terror.

Executioners have same asf as white lions, champ has upgrade for heroic killing blow

canadianguy wrote:
How about this as a starting point:
Khainite units hate everything always!
Destroy a unit they get fear or frenzy, destroy a second terror.

Executioners have same asf as white lions, champ has upgrade for heroic killing blow

Dragon knights to be forced to play 5k points to fill your elite slots with them