Author |
Message |
 |
|
 |
Advert
|
Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
- No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
- Times and dates in your local timezone.
- Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
- Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
- Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now. |
|
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/02 21:54:23
Subject: Re:Why is the Chaos Star/Mark of chaos eight pronged?
|
 |
Frater Militia
Mansfield
|
As many posters have commented, the most likely origin for GW using the 8 pointed star as the symbol of Chaos lies with Michael Moorcock. On his website, http://www.multiverse.org, Moorcock is quoted as saying, in 2001:
Michael Moorcock wrote:I drew it on a piece of paper on the kitchen table while thinking over the first Elric stories! Since then people seem to have claimed an ancient ancestry for it just as Deep Purple claimed that Stormbringer was an ancient myth when someone asked them why they'd called their album by that name...
I drew the eight-arrows first and then I had the single arrow of law later, as I recall. The first person to put the symbol on the shield was Jim Cawthorn, whose early sketches of Elric were superb. The arrows, of course, represent diversity. The single arrow represents the kind of mind who believes there is only one version of the truth
When, in 2003, he was asked if the creation of the symbol was his, he replied:
Michael Moorcock wrote:Yes, I did invent the Chaos symbol. I wanted something which symbolised multiple possibilities as well as entropy/dissipation.
Furthermore, on the same site there appears to be a lengthy thread regarding the Chaos symbol and GW's use of it ( http://www.multiverse.org/fora/showthread.php?p=17736#post17736) in which the man is rather less than complimentary about the whole WFB/ 40K universe.
Now, as I've strayed from the OP here, I'd just like to get behind the whole 'infinite possibilities' interpretation of the symbol and beg your indulgence for my sidetracking.
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/03 00:03:21
Subject: Why is the Chaos Star/Mark of chaos eight pronged?
|
 |
Newbie Black Templar Neophyte
|
TheDiscoSpider wrote:The arrows point in all directions, which I think is meant to represent all possibilities. Which is representative of pure Chaos itself; formless and ever expansive.
This!
|
So long as the enemies of the Emperor still draw breath, there can be no peace. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/16 13:45:19
Subject: Why is the Chaos Star/Mark of chaos eight pronged?
|
 |
Changing Our Legion's Name
|
it could be because it's pointy... and chaos likes pointy.
and maybe a circle would be boring.
|
is a HUGE fan of the colour green... and im not talking bout scorpian green. More chaos black/ catachan green
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/16 13:50:27
Subject: Why is the Chaos Star/Mark of chaos eight pronged?
|
 |
Wight Lord with the Sword of Kings
|
In universe, four of the points represent the four Chaos Gods, and the other four certain Greater Daemons, or guys like Be'lakor.
That is, according to the Fantasy book Archaon: Everchosen.
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/16 13:57:44
Subject: Why is the Chaos Star/Mark of chaos eight pronged?
|
 |
Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
|
some bastarditation of the muslim 8 pointed star.
|
Dark Mechanicus and Renegade Iron Hand Dakka Blog
My Dark Mechanicus P&M Blog. Mostly Modeling as I paint very slowly. Lots of kitbashed conversions of marines and a few guard to make up a renegade Iron Hand chapter and Dark Mechanicus Allies. Bionics++ |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/16 17:15:20
Subject: Why is the Chaos Star/Mark of chaos eight pronged?
|
 |
Thunderhawk Pilot Dropping From Orbit
|
ArbitorIan wrote:
Since Pratchett's Discworld started in 1983 as a parody of the sort of 'serious' fantasy Moorcock wrote in the early 60s, it's not surprising that he uses 8 as the 'number of magic' as well. GW just used the same reference point.
There was an awful lot in early WHFB and 40k that was borrowed from Moorcock (with liberal doses of Heinlein and Herbert in 40k's case)...
Pratchett was also into D&D, there are 8 schools of magic in D&D.
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/16 18:02:39
Subject: Why is the Chaos Star/Mark of chaos eight pronged?
|
 |
Consigned to the Grim Darkness
|
SilverMK2 wrote:And don't read any of his books if you like female characters to be strong and independent 
To be fair, it was the fifties. Back then, it wasn't just the norm for women to be stuck without an education or job opportunities, it was the law. Don't expect much good to come out of that time period, aside from a few rare gems.
|
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/16 18:36:58
Subject: Why is the Chaos Star/Mark of chaos eight pronged?
|
 |
Powerful Phoenix Lord
|
Melissia wrote: SilverMK2 wrote:And don't read any of his books if you like female characters to be strong and independent 
To be fair, it was the fifties. Back then, it wasn't just the norm for women to be stuck without an education or job opportunities, it was the law. Don't expect much good to come out of that time period, aside from a few rare gems.
To be even more fair this thread is over a year old. Why was it Necro'd? The world may never know.
|
Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
|
 |
 |
|