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Olaf Shieldbreaker wrote:
I got a lore question for you guys. From what I understand, space marines usually have their pre-Astartes memory completely wiped, but then you have stuff like the James Swollow Blood Angels novel, where Rafen and Arkio are brother and remember that their brothers. Shouldn't they no know they are brothers if they got a memory wipe?

I ask because I'm a writing a Space Wolf story and it talks about his pre-Astartes life. How much of that would he remember?

Mindwiping usually only occurs when neccesary, as it can remove experiences from which the person learned. Many SM's are taken from hostile environments, because it would have trained their minds and bodies to survive better, and as such, mindwiping would not be beneficial.

It can occur, however, that a marine simply forgets his past, buried under decades or centuries of war.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Those undertones are only there if you are looking for them. I highly doubt they are in any way deliberate.

They were plainly obvious just from reading the lore as GW presented it, and I saw them the first time I read through the lore.

Thanks for the PM Melissia. I think you're reading too much into it, and from a biological aspect it makes sense to begin enhancing a body before puberty has done it for you.

Even if you hold hat stance, you still have to admit that the terminology they used for the process is still disturbing.

They could have used any number of things. But they used THOSE terms instead.

 Melissia wrote:
Yes, the SM recruitment process is disturbing. Especially when you think about it, and the terminology used.

[edit: removed inappropriate material. Seriously it's creepy.]

GW doesn't really think too hard on its fluff decisions.

What was the terminology exactly? Could you PM it to me please?

 Selym wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Yes, the SM recruitment process is disturbing. Especially when you think about it, and the terminology used.

[edit: removed inappropriate material. Seriously it's creepy.]

GW doesn't really think too hard on its fluff decisions.

What was the terminology exactly? Could you PM it to me please?

I want some, I want some!

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Yes, the SM recruitment process is disturbing. Especially when you think about it, and the terminology used.

[edit: removed inappropriate material. Seriously it's creepy.]

GW doesn't really think too hard on its fluff decisions.

What was the terminology exactly? Could you PM it to me please?

I want some, I want some!

Yeah, this shiz is popular now that you've removed the info. (Curiosity is a powerful force)

GK mind wipe and Blood Ravens simply lose their memory altogether. Other than that no.

 Selym wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Yes, the SM recruitment process is disturbing. Especially when you think about it, and the terminology used.

[edit: removed inappropriate material. Seriously it's creepy.]

GW doesn't really think too hard on its fluff decisions.

What was the terminology exactly? Could you PM it to me please?

I want some, I want some!

Yeah, this shiz is popular now that you've removed the info. (Curiosity is a powerful force)

The forbidden fruit, one could say.

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Selym wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Yes, the SM recruitment process is disturbing. Especially when you think about it, and the terminology used.

[edit: removed inappropriate material. Seriously it's creepy.]

GW doesn't really think too hard on its fluff decisions.

What was the terminology exactly? Could you PM it to me please?

I want some, I want some!

Yeah, this shiz is popular now that you've removed the info. (Curiosity is a powerful force)

The forbidden fruit, one could say.

Mmmmm.....

Forbidden fruit...
*Drool*

 Selym wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Selym wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Yes, the SM recruitment process is disturbing. Especially when you think about it, and the terminology used.

[edit: removed inappropriate material. Seriously it's creepy.]

GW doesn't really think too hard on its fluff decisions.

What was the terminology exactly? Could you PM it to me please?

I want some, I want some!

Yeah, this shiz is popular now that you've removed the info. (Curiosity is a powerful force)

The forbidden fruit, one could say.

Mmmmm.....

Forbidden fruit...
*Drool*

my thoughts exactly.
The forbidden fruit is always the sweetest

I'm interested in learning about these "pederastic undertones" as well. I have never heard of such a thing within the confines of the 40k fluff.

You do have to put 2 and 2 together.

The various chapters, which are made up of old men, go and find prepubescent young boys and through a vigorous regime of mental and physical conditioning turn them into more Space Marines. The highlight of which is the insertion of the chapter's Geneseed into these recruits.


While it is there if you look for it, it don't think there is any sinister motivation. Its no more pederastic due to the wording than wrestling is homoerotic in and of itself because it used to be such to the Greeks.

 Grey Templar wrote:
You do have to put 2 and 2 together.

The various chapters, which are made up of old men, go and find prepubescent young boys and through a vigorous regime of mental and physical conditioning turn them into more Space Marines. The highlight of which is the insertion of the chapter's Geneseed into these recruits.

If that really is what is being talked about, I don't see how that is in any way pederastic. Pederasty heavily emphasizes the homoerotic nature of the relationship, which is not at all present in Space Marine conditioning. Geneseed isn't any kind of reproductive fluid, it's the genetic material that contains the components that allow for the production of the inhuman organs contained in Space Marines. There is no eroticism involved in Space Marine creation, so how can it be compared to pederasty? I don't get where that is coming from, at all. Seems a bit of a stretch.

I know.

Although Geneseed is reproductive in nature. A single progenoid is used to make a marine, who in turn makes 2 new progenoids. So yes it is reproductive in nature. Its not a fluid or similar to any sort of normal reproduction, but it could be seen as a "suggestive medium".

In universe it is certainly NOT pederasty. Nor do I think its deliberate. I do think you could definitely see it, but only if you are trying to.

If Graham McNeill is writing it, it is certainly homoerotic. Everything he writes is.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
If Graham McNeill is writing it, it is certainly homoerotic. Everything he writes is.

He has always set the bar for me for 40k fiction.... I now realize my whole life has been a lie. Thank you for clearing this up Void.

Why has your whole life been a lie?

Because true SPESS MUHREENS are BLUHD REHVENS! And their only tactic is STEHL REHN!

Furthermore, they are led by Indrick Baldeale, the most incompetent SPESS MUHREEN in the BLUHD REHVENS ever to use STEHL REHN!

And now you know.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Why has your whole life been a lie?

Ahh just a joke. Ignore me