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Heh, fair enough. I guess I'm still thinking of the old dex, where you want to stay very, very far away from termies.

How many praets do you run? 5 or 10?

6 tesla wounds will drop

40 points of 40 point teq

26 to 32 points of meq

30 points of ork shoota boys

20 points of guardsmen

That's still a very expensive squad being put to risk.

No reward with out risk

I have deep-striked this squad (lord and 6 praetorians) and lost them due to miss-hap 430 points down the drain

And in other games they have minced their way through enemy lines.

You can deploy them in cover then their jump of 12" gives them a decent threat range.

Deep striking monolith and an eternity gate add a bit of lolz to it too.

that the termies will fail their invuls, which could possibly be 3+

You still have to get past this 3++ when shooting too. Granted that you can get more hits on them with shooting.

 schadenfreude wrote:
6 tesla wounds will drop

40 points of 40 point teq

26 to 32 points of meq

30 points of ork shoota boys

20 points of guardsmen

So...1 Termy, or 2 Marines, or 5 orks or 3 guardsmen?

Ah yes, monolith + preats and DLord would be a good delivery system. The problem is that they can't charge. I think you can circumvent this by pointing the door away from the enemy, using the monolith to blos and forcing the enemy to move around it, and then using the squad's 12" movement to manuever around and do awesome things.

It may not be optimal, but it is hilarious watching everyone trying to run around the monolith.

How many praets do you run? 5 or 10?

I run 6. I had 6 old metal Pariah models that i have converted to preatorians.

I have also tried the lord with flayed ones and been sweeping advanced

That is why i prefer the praetorians for thier fearless

Heh, fair enough. I guess I'm still thinking of the old dex, where you want to stay very, very far away from termies.

I have only been playing 40k for less than a year, so i dont have any fear for certain units yet

Yeah, back in the day necrons had no real way to deal with 2+ saves other than volumes of fire.

The weapons that can ignore 2+ saves are either rare, on terrible overpriced models or both.

Yeah, back in the day necrons had no real way to deal with 2+ saves other than volumes of fire.

Yeah. Ignorance is bliss.

Ah yes, monolith + preats and DLord would be a good delivery system. The problem is that they can't charge. I think you can circumvent this by pointing the door away from the enemy, using the monolith to blos and forcing the enemy to move around it, and then using the squad's 12" movement to manuever around and do awesome things.

It may not be optimal, but it is hilarious watching everyone trying to run around the monolith.

Especially when a C'tan comes out the monolith too.

If you can get the monolith in the right spot (thats a big if) you can get them into thier 6" range for the rods, that can break elites or HQ units pretty good.

And I don't throw them into enemy lines by themselves. A nights cythe puts warriors in the enemy threat range prety good.

And a cryptek of despair brings in another unit too.

Effectively I try to get my army into the enemies deployment zone on turn 2. Leaving them rushing the middle trying to get to my deployment zone and having to turn around.

But as the OP asked.

I use Destroyer and praetorians for AP2 in CC

Also a C'tan shard isn't too bad. with swarm of spirit dust and cover you can get a better save on them than their 4++ as they move closer.

I don't have a stalker so i can't comment on their heat ray. But i have proxied a nightscythe for a bomber from IA 12 (Good book, has both my armies in it ) and i found its bomb load a little OP, I think it will make alot of marine players cry.

I don't run destroyers but have faced them and they can be pretty devastating with PE.

Otherwise bucket loads of dice from Teslas the benifit from Tesla buckets of dice compared to IG buckets is the wound factor. IG wound Meq on a 5+, where tesla wounds Meq on 2+.

How does tesla wound MEQ on a 2+?

Hey probably meant 3+.

Either way, tesla has been my answer to 2+ in addition to wraiths. I have found both do get the job done. I haven't faced a terminator heavy list before though, but if i did I would probably just focus fire them with lotsa dakka, especially if it was deep striking DW. Dont need that in the backfield un checked.

I used a c'tan shard with times arrow and gaze of death to kill Belial and a maxed squad of terminators this weekend. Shards are slow, but terminators tend to come to you. Also can work in combination with a monolith, as mentioned above.

Hey probably meant 3+.

I meant 2+. Meq toughness 4, tesla destructor str 7 = 2+ to wound

Sorry. i didn't specify if they were vehicle tesla or immortal tesla.

Personally iIdon't like the tesla on immortals, your trading an ap value thats good against non-marines for the 1/6 chance of getting 2 more wounds that might get through their armour. Get them into 1/2 range and you end up with more shots. And they have the Gauss goodness that keeps vehicles away

I used a c'tan shard with times arrow and gaze of death to kill Belial and a maxed squad of terminators this weekend. Shards are slow, but terminators tend to come to you. Also can work in combination with a monolith, as mentioned above.

 Sasori wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
At this point I highly recommend the Heat Cannons a second time.

Tonight, I faced a Deathwing army and then Grey Knights which I annihilated in three turns. The GK player had two Dreadknights and he lost one per turn.

The Pylons are 190 with Heat Cannon and IWND and just one of these can ruin a TEQ squad.

TH/SS units are still a pain, but this is where you either roadblock them, or just kite them at range.

I'm not a big fan of the Heat Cannon version to be Honest. I like the Default a lot, and the Focused Death Ray. I think the Heat Cannon is just too expensive.

My favorite method for dealing with 2+ save is still currently the Tesseract Ark.

I definitely see where you're coming from with the expense and advocating the use of the Tesseract Ark, but I'd go with saying YMMV with the Heat Cannon Pylons. Two of them just with the Cannon and no IWND have won me seven games at 1250 pts in the last week alone.

Yes they are frightfully expensive, but I've found one of them to be doing the work of two Barges and even then, they sure up games vs AV14, 2+ AS and are a pretty good horde killer. Two blasts at that high strength is nothing to sneeze at. I've also made a whole parking lot dissapear in one turn from favourable scatters. They are very effective, but it may just come down to personal choice.

As for the ark, I agree, it's a great Tank... Probably the best. I'm yet to try it, but ATM, I'm having great fun nuking the opposition with Pylons.

I personally like to combine 'weight of fire' with 'some ap 2' by utilizing a Deathmark unit delivered via nightscythe.
Against nids its relatively easy; they tend to have just the one guy with 2+ armor. Make that guy the marked target and you'll probably kill him in one volley.
I run my Overlord with the Deathmarks to back them up in cc with a warscythe and mss.

There are probably better units for your Overlord to be attached to than a D&D squad (those guys are meant to be disposable, after all).

I saw the suggestions for the tesseract ark and cried a little on the inside. My local gaming group came to a majority vote to give FW the boot to everything outside an apoc battle and pretty much never plays Apoc. I would so love fielding those beauties

Teq is easy enough to kill:

Warscythes
Wraiths
Tombstalkers
Charnel Scarabs
Tomb Spyders

or just flood it with shots, something crons are king of, never been worried by terminators...

on the other hand shooting with lance courts is effective as are the Tesseract Ark or the new small pylons, the can doubleduty as your Air Defense when you take the gauss ones...

No love for the doomsday ark?

DrunkPhilisoph wrote:
No love for the doomsday ark?

Oh, I love that thing, I know it's a bit too stationary for the taste of many, but I frankly love that S9 AP1 72" pie plate, not much can shrug off much less survive one, much less three.

not much can shrug off much less survive one

any invul or cover save does the job, guard behind a aegis you kill 1-2 per shot. And being stationary to get that shot its to easy to block line of site from them.

DOOMONYOU wrote:

not much can shrug off much less survive one

any invul or cover save does the job, guard behind a aegis you kill 1-2 per shot. And being stationary to get that shot its to easy to block line of site from them.

That's why I like to field 3.