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Just curious as to what Necron players use to counter TEQ. It seems like a lot of people are leaving out our low AP stuff (doomsday arc, Heavy destroyers, etc.). I ask after having a heck of a time trying to take out a Hive Tyrant with an armored shell in my last game,


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Just realized that this was posted in Lists and maybe should have been put in tactics. If so, my bad.

Warscythe? Just flood it with saving throws, it has to fail at some point (Annihilation barges)? Scarabs (Entropic strike, not sure IIRC it works same way as against vehicles, might be wrong, if so, ignore this.)? Allied paladins (lol).

It shouldnt be a problem unless tyrant has iron arm. Then you are screwed.

2 options MSS or wraiths or hells both just for a giggle

Get your wraith wing into CC on the charge, weight of dice will give you enough rends to put a dent in some termies. If it's paladins, you should probably just ignore them if they aren't shooty Imo, along with THSS termies. Just keep positioning in mind, and remember weight of dice is one of the easiest ways to deal with a 2+ IME

If you are willing to go with stuff from Forge World, IA12 has the answers.

Tesseract Ark, Heat Cannon Pylons and Night Shroud Bombers are good against TEQ at range.

I've found against CC though, the humble Charnel Scarab is made for taking out TEQ. That many rending attacks have helped me chew through many tough units. TEQ and Wraithguard.

Entropic Strike should do the trick. A C'tan will do wonders against TEQ, but would be too risky against a Tyrant for me... so I'd say Scarabs are the better option there... though they're likely to bite the dust as a result.

If I remember rightly, you only need a *hit* to make the roll and not a wound - meaning you can strip the save off even an Iron Arm Tyrant and then open up with stuff that can wound it.

About entropic strike...you do realize that it only happens after the model takes an unsaved wound, right? So against termies it's useless. Against riptides and paladins, not so useless.

Against vehicles it's easier. All you have to do is hit and roll higher and roll a 4+ for the strike to work.

 Super Ready wrote:
Entropic Strike should do the trick. A C'tan will do wonders against TEQ, but would be too risky against a Tyrant for me... so I'd say Scarabs are the better option there... though they're likely to bite the dust as a result.

If I remember rightly, you only need a *hit* to make the roll and not a wound - meaning you can strip the save off even an Iron Arm Tyrant and then open up with stuff that can wound it.

The problem with running a ctan is that it's a nice big slow target that costs like a truck. Don't get me wrong, I love using ctan, but he's too easy to kill with only a 4++.

Wraiths rending would help in assault against them (watch out for TH/SS as usual though). Otherwise weight of fire.

Arcanthrites may be useful. They can fire their cutting beams first (S6 AP2), and they come with a void blade. No invul though :/

Heavy Destroyers.
With PE, you're pretty much shooting at BS 9 (disregarding a roll of 2) and then wounding on a 2+ at AP 2. And at 36 inches to boot.

RivenSkull wrote:
Heavy Destroyers.
With PE, you're pretty much shooting at BS 9 (disregarding a roll of 2) and then wounding on a 2+ at AP 2. And at 36 inches to boot.

BS4 with PE isn't as likely to hit as BS5.

RivenSkull wrote:
Heavy Destroyers.
With PE, you're pretty much shooting at BS 9 (disregarding a roll of 2) and then wounding on a 2+ at AP 2. And at 36 inches to boot.

I think you should check your math, because that is definitely not BS9.

I second heavy destroyers. PE make them very precise and while expensive, you're almost guaranteed to remove a model from the table per shot since only 2's to hit or double 1's act as true misses.

Entropic strike is ok; however, only is truly useful against multi-wound models. Many multi-wound models that can get AP2 have a high toughness and or strength making scarabs more of a tarpit than armor remover. That said, I've pissed off a number of CSM players by stripping away the terminator armor of their lords and sorcerers.

C'Tans are good but expensive. For less points, I could field a unit of 5 Praetorians with void blades or 3 heavy destroyers. The Praetorians have RP, more cumulative wounds (5 vs 4 on the C'Tan), and have a 3+ save which could be argued to be worse than the C'Tan's 4++.
Heavies are the cheapest of the three options and provide AP 2 at a range instead of CC.

Death & Despair squads?

The answer to this thread is the same thing Necrons use to take out everything else bar Land Raiders; Tesla Destructors. Rate of fire is your friend and nothing says rate of fire like a 4 shot gun that hits 5.5 times on average.

true but Necrons still dont have the overwhelming rate of fire other armies do.

For example: 6 flyers and 3 annihilation barges in 2k is easy to do, so in that example there is 9 tesla destructors. that is roughly 49.5 hits on average. (based on your 5.5 estimate)

Assuming they all wound, that is 6 dead terminators, statistically. good, but not extremely good, especially since you just shot everything you had at that unit.

I do not disagree that rate of fire is the best tool, I just think that it doesn't necessarily fix the problem. A combination of tools is usually best. Having one hard counter makes it too easy for your enemy.

Now a couple heavy destroyers and a death and despair squad might take out the same 6 terminators using less resources. for example.

...my 2 cents...

At this point I highly recommend the Heat Cannons a second time.

Tonight, I faced a Deathwing army and then Grey Knights which I annihilated in three turns. The GK player had two Dreadknights and he lost one per turn.

The Pylons are 190 with Heat Cannon and IWND and just one of these can ruin a TEQ squad.

TH/SS units are still a pain, but this is where you either roadblock them, or just kite them at range.

Puscifer wrote:
At this point I highly recommend the Heat Cannons a second time.

Tonight, I faced a Deathwing army and then Grey Knights which I annihilated in three turns. The GK player had two Dreadknights and he lost one per turn.

The Pylons are 190 with Heat Cannon and IWND and just one of these can ruin a TEQ squad.

TH/SS units are still a pain, but this is where you either roadblock them, or just kite them at range.

I'm not a big fan of the Heat Cannon version to be Honest. I like the Default a lot, and the Focused Death Ray. I think the Heat Cannon is just too expensive.

My favorite method for dealing with 2+ save is still currently the Tesseract Ark.

 Sasori wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
At this point I highly recommend the Heat Cannons a second time.

Tonight, I faced a Deathwing army and then Grey Knights which I annihilated in three turns. The GK player had two Dreadknights and he lost one per turn.

The Pylons are 190 with Heat Cannon and IWND and just one of these can ruin a TEQ squad.

TH/SS units are still a pain, but this is where you either roadblock them, or just kite them at range.

I'm not a big fan of the Heat Cannon version to be Honest. I like the Default a lot, and the Focused Death Ray. I think the Heat Cannon is just too expensive.

My favorite method for dealing with 2+ save is still currently the Tesseract Ark.

This +10000

It fires 3 S7 AP2 small blasts. Terminators will die.

Lots of good suggestions. Are the teaseract arks forgeworld? (And the other non-codex units mentioned) if not, where are they and their rule sets found? I'm leaning to try heavy destroyers next time out. I didn't have much luck with wraiths, but I was running 3 of them and without a destroyer lord.

KefkaZ wrote:
Lots of good suggestions. Are the teaseract arks forgeworld? (And the other non-codex units mentioned) if not, where are they and their rule sets found? I'm leaning to try heavy destroyers next time out. I didn't have much luck with wraiths, but I was running 3 of them and without a destroyer lord.

Yes. They are expensive both points wise and money wise, and they are totally worth it.

Destroyer lord with warscythe, MSS, Res orb and SP weave

Run him in a squad of preatorians if you want

Terminator power fists and thunder hammers say hi to the absence of phase shifters.

true but you will get reanimation protocol

 Gangrel767 wrote:
true but you will get reanimation protocol

Not if all of the praets are dead. Well, the Lord will get it, but only on a 5+, or a 4+ if you pay 30 points. And then he will be punched to death again, this time only needing one wound. You could pay another 15 points for the chance to have 3 wounds.

The lords warscythe (initiative 2) and MSS cuts down the number of strikes back. Then the squads fearless and RP on a 4+ gives them decent survivability.

You are assuming that those attacks will hit and wound, and that the termies will fail their invuls, which could possibly be 3+. Staffs of the covenant are unwieldy, so they will hit at the same time as the fists and hammers. There's also overwatch.

MSS will come in handy though. I could see it being very useful against termies without the 3+ invul.
That's still a very expensive squad being put to risk.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Gangrel767 wrote:
true but you will get reanimation protocol

Not if all of the praets are dead. Well, the Lord will get it, but only on a 5+, or a 4+ if you pay 30 points. And then he will be punched to death again, this time only needing one wound. You could pay another 15 points for the chance to have 3 wounds.

I'm not saying they're great at this particular job, but the idea has some merit. Hard to look at everything in a vacuum. I honestly prefer the voidshield option and i make them vehicle fortiification hunters.

I still stand by... several units working together. I don't use the forgeworld, so I can't comment on that stuff.

Or a Death and Despair squad... I mean this is what we've used since the book came out!

And your assuming the terminators will hit and wound.

I'm not saying throw them at a CC Terminator squad and expect to win. But I have charged normal Termies with this combo and cut them down in a single assault phase.

As for monstrous creatures that are by themselves the MSS does the damage then, wih the squad delivering the death blow.