6th edition and tournaments (the state thereof)

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**MarkyMark**

morgendonner wrote:
I've heard that wraith wing is still a big thing in UK but I just don't really understand how, especially now with how easily Tau & Eldar can dakka away T4 models with 3+'s.

When you say Mephiston plus storm ravens, is that really so common it's a main meta list? Can't even remember the last time I saw blood angels over here.

Eldar and Tau are still new dexs to be fair, Eldar more so. We usually have a month space between a dex being released and it being used in a tourny for the bigger uk tournies.

Also to add one to Killswitchs list

Necron AV13 wall

I think they we will start seeing this a little more now, ghost arks and AB's and command barges.

**KillswitchUK**

Yeh rob madelys been using that..also drop wolves will probs see a surgence now chaos arnt too big due to tau..still a contender for sure when people start using them.

I always like bringing something to mess with those armies so might do it myself haha.

**MarkyMark**

KillswitchUK wrote:
Yeh rob madelys been using that..also drop wolves will probs see a surgence now chaos arnt too big due to tau..still a contender for sure when people start using them.

I always like bringing something to mess with those armies so might do it myself haha.

Good man!, Wolves with also see a return for the best psyhic defence in the game!. I will be busting out a slightly different daemon list for northern warlords GT possibly, using it as pratice for the GT in november!

**jy2**

KillswitchUK wrote:
Necron warith spam
Triple helldrakes wirh fmc support
Mephiaton plus storm ravens
Occasional blob which is dying off now
Screamer council dawmons
Fmc daemons
Gunline tau
Eldar and de combos
Ravenwing

Tbh theres 3 tourneys across the uk over the next 2 weeks so i can report back the top 3 of them to give a rough indication whats doing well

Looks pretty much inline with the US tournament teams.

All except BA storm ravens. BA is basically dead in competitive play here.

What's screamer council daemons? Never heard of it.

Eldar is still new but they've got what it takes to be a top-tier tournament army.

Ravenwing? Only 1 person won with it (TSHFT). The rest is DA+IG combos.

I took the time to compile the recent major 6th Ed. GT Tournament winners. This list was recent up until a few months ago.

Dark Star Brad Townsend (Hulksmash) DA/IG (Best Overall)

Bugeater Brad Townsend (Hulksmash) DA/IG (Best Overall and 2nd Best General)

Indy Open Tomb King Necrons/CSM (1st)

Indy Open Brad Townsend (Hulksmash) DA/IG (2nd)

Bay Area Open Lyzz Foster Daemons (1st)

Bay Area Open Alan Bajramovic IG/SW (2nd)

Battle for Salvation 2012 Andrew Gonyo (Target) GK/IG (1st)

Broadside Bash 2013 Doug Johnson IG/SW (1st)

Colonial GT Brad Nichols (DevianID) GK's (1st)

Colonial GT Andrew Gonyo (Target) DA/IG (2nd)

Crucible 2013 Devin Deldar (1st)

Onslaught 2013 Sean Nayden Deldar (1st)

Onslaught 2013 Alex Fennell (Everliving) Necrons/CSM (2nd)

Nova 2012 Tony Kopach IG/SW (Best General)

TSHFT 2013 Alan Bajramovic Tyranids (1st)

TSHFT 2013 David Jensen Necrorks (2nd)

Da Boyz 2012 Andrew Gonyo (Target) GK/IG (1st)

Da Boyz 2012 Ben Mohlie Necrons (Best General)

Duel Con GT 2012 Alan Campbell Necrorks (1st)

Beakycon GT 2013 Teddy Woody Necrons (1st)

Beakycon GT 2013 Alex Simon GK/IG (2nd)

Comikaze 2012 Vince Morgadr IG (1st)

Comikaze 2012 Allen Hernandez Deldar (2nd)

Midwest Massacre GT Chaos Daemons (1st)

Midwest Massacre GT Aaron Aleong (Spaguarytine) GK/BT (2nd)

Feast of Blades 2012 Alex Bessinger (whigwham) Daemons (1st)

Feast of Blades 2012 Gareth Hunt Daemons (2nd)

The Golden Throne GT 2012 (the very first 6E GT in the US) Jim Yeh (jy2) Necrons (1st)

The Golden Throne GT 2012 (the very first 6E GT in the US) Christian Alessi Grey Knights MSU (2nd)

BTW, for those who don't want their names on this list, just PM me and I will remove it.

**Breng77**

A screamer council (if i'm) right is tzeentch heralds, grimior, and screamers (usually also fateweaver) looking for the re-rollable 2++ save.

**MarkyMark**

Screamer council is what I am currently trying Jim, PM sent

**KillswitchUK**

What im saying is..its the wierd lists you need to be aware of. In england..if yiu go to a GT you will rarely get an easy game since all the top tiered players are within a few hours drive..unlike the US.
This means even mid tables you will find a tough gane against an unconventional list. This is the buggest difference. Winners is helpful to know but doesnt make the meta..it is the entire top 10 as if you want to win..you will need to play against those lists..or dodge them..not just the guy who came first. Only time that list comes inti effect is the invitational at the nova...so ill see you lads there

**Breng77**

Ummm....the top players within a few hours drive a lot in he us as well, it just happens that not all the top players are within a few hours.

**KillswitchUK**

That made no sense...lol

**Ratius**

Thanks Jy2, very interesting

Spoiler:

**Sigvatr**

40k has always been a "Spam the OP crap!" meta. Flyers are what make or break 6th and thus you'll see thousands of them.

**MVBrandt**

Sigvatr wrote:
40k has always been a "Spam the OP crap!" meta. Flyers are what make or break 6th and thus you'll see thousands of them.

That's ultra silly and untrue, plus unsupported by the facts.

**Sigvatr**

MVBrandt wrote:
Sigvatr wrote:
40k has always been a "Spam the OP crap!" meta. Flyers are what make or break 6th and thus you'll see thousands of them.

That's ultra silly and untrue, plus unsupported by the facts.

5th had everyone spamming overpowered transports, 6th has everyone spamming overpowered flyers...

**MVBrandt**

No it doesn't. Flyer spam has barely won anything.

**KillswitchUK**

Troll is obvious..

**happygolucky**

Sigvatr wrote:
MVBrandt wrote:
Sigvatr wrote:
40k has always been a "Spam the OP crap!" meta. Flyers are what make or break 6th and thus you'll see thousands of them.

That's ultra silly and untrue, plus unsupported by the facts.

5th had everyone spamming overpowered transports, 6th has everyone spamming overpowered flyers...

Please play against Tau... there a hard counter to flyers, hence why Flyers are not OP anymore.

**whigwam**

'It's all flyers! Flyers everywhere!' is the most-repeated, least-true canard of 6th Edition. Followed closely by 'Assault is dead!' and 'Tyranids are dead!' Eventually we'll stop hearing this nonsense, but by then it will be 7th Edition where 'Shooting is dead!' and 'Black Templar OP!'

**Ratius**

Heres a semi interesting read of older tourneys I had compiled a few years ago. Obviously no allies at that point.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/372719.page

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