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Troike wrote: How come you've said that the Imperium is explicitly patriachial? It's really not.
Indeed. I could probably go in to a five page rant on the topic, but suffice it to say, I think the idea that the Imperium somehow doesn't oppress men is wrong.
To get more on topic, keep in mind that there are plenty of weapons FAR less effective than a lasgun.
I think my article speaks for itself as to why, everyone's welcome to disagree of course. I'll start a new topic though.
But uh, what possible gives you the idea I said the Imperium does not oppress men?
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sing your life wrote: I expect the average imperial citizen would have a knife, some random items can be improvised as weapon and probaly an auto gun or the rare lasgun.
1 Tactical marine could probably kill 2000 citizens without breaking a sweat
Of course he could. Any git can kill 2000 citizens with the right equipment. I believe there's a piece of fluff out there about a single DE clearing a room of civilians in a blink of an eye.
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I would assume the average would be weighted to the most populus types of planets in the galaxy and those are kind of developed but their citizenry poor. Knives, zip guns, and cheap autoguns/pistols would probably be pretty common. Cheap, not too technologically advanced and reliable.
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sing your life wrote:1 Tactical marine could probably kill 2000 citizens without breaking a sweat
Melissia wrote:Let's not get too deep in to the usual marine-glorification rants.
So, this isn't canon at all, merely a piece of fan-fiction I wrote for a battle report. Towards the end, some Imperial Guard conscripts get assaulted by a strike squad of space marines. This is my depiction for how a bunch of poorly-armed people might accomplish the feat of killing space marines (and thus how your average peasant might):
One of the giant enemy whirled down with his massive blade, literally cutting a conscript in two. Those around him, somehow steeled into action, attacked the armored knight back. Two of them grabbed the enemy's arm and tried to jerk the weapon out of his hands. Another pair tied to push him over, causing the enemy to fall back onto the ground. A fifth conscript reached down and held his other arm while a sixth wrenched the enemy's helmet off and punched his face with a rock.
Things didn't go so well for the enemy sergeant either.
The guardsmen were swarming around him like a cloud of angry hornets. He attempted to come down with his hammer, but the guardsmen scattered away from his blows, only to form back into the void when his hammer had passed by. He cried out in shock as several guardsman grabbed on to his great weapon and instigated a tug-of-war to free it from his grasp. Others pulled him in every direction at once. Someone threw a potato at him, the spud bouncing off of his visor.
With coordinated effort, the conscripts managed to disarm the sergeant and force him to the ground. They started kicking and poking him. The sergeant writhed on the ground, desperate to get back up, but being pinned down by the sheer weight of them. His power armor started to fail as various wires and bits of hosing were ripped out. Piece by piece, he was being ripped apart.
Somehow, his helmet got wrenched free. Above him stood a guardsman holding a bloody rock.
sing your life wrote:1 Tactical marine could probably kill 2000 citizens without breaking a sweat
Melissia wrote:Let's not get too deep in to the usual marine-glorification rants.
So, this isn't canon at all, merely a piece of fan-fiction I wrote for a battle report. Towards the end, some Imperial Guard conscripts get assaulted by a strike squad of space marines. This is my depiction for how a bunch of poorly-armed people might accomplish the feat of killing space marines (and thus how your average peasant might):
One of the giant enemy whirled down with his massive blade, literally cutting a conscript in two. Those around him, somehow steeled into action, attacked the armored knight back. Two of them grabbed the enemy's arm and tried to jerk the weapon out of his hands. Another pair tied to push him over, causing the enemy to fall back onto the ground. A fifth conscript reached down and held his other arm while a sixth wrenched the enemy's helmet off and struck him in the face with the butt of her rifle.
Things didn't go so well for the enemy sergeant either.
The guardsmen were swarming around him like a cloud of angry hornets. He attempted to come down with his hammer, but the guardsmen scattered away from his blows, only to form back into the void when his hammer had passed by. He cried out in shock as several guardsman grabbed on to his power weapon and instigated a tug-of-war to free it from his grasp. Others pulled him in every direction at once. Someone threw a rock at him, the rubble bouncing off of his visor.
With coordinated effort, the conscripts managed to disarm the sergeant and force him to the ground. They started kicking and poking him. The sergeant writhed on the ground, desperate to get back up, but being pinned down by the sheer weight of them. His power armor started to fail as various wires and bits of hosing were ripped out. Piece by piece, he was being ripped apart.
Somehow, his helmet got wrenched free. Above him stood a guardsman holding a blooded lasgun.
The world went dark. Then after a second that felt like a many long years light returned to his world. Fast clotting blood dripped into his eyes and the sergeant urgently blinked the liquid out.
The conscripted humans were beating him with force enough the reduce a human like them to an unburialable mess, yet the sergeant's pain had been unnaturally softened to little more than a morning ache. With a burst of strength greater than what even a normal astartes was capable, his right arm burst free for the 4, maybe 6 arms that held it down. Just as the weakling prepared to bring down a hard blow with his firearm, the marine shot his gloved finger forward into his soft eyes, like the thurst of a duellist's foil. Thin rivlets of retinal fluid ran down his palm.
Seconds into the blinding eye-gouge the sergeant had his hand knocked back by a lasblast that ripped away 2 finger. A second burst sent searing heat, like a thunderhawk's exhaust fumes over his face.
Darkness returned.
There. I fixed it for you.
And why are the guard hitting the marine with rocks? where their guns broken or something?
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If i know what is true the imperial guard kinda began as a local militia for planets to defend them against pirates, and xenos small raids , it also acted the first defense against a large scale invasion and they fought and awaited reinforcements to come. It was created because the vast empire wasnt able to be completely protected by the space marines who probably had better things to do than fight small bands of raiders, hostile xenos and pirates...
so i would think that civilians that were not part of the militia would only have weapons that would be good for hunting or sport ( if your rich enough) and in large cities where hunting wasnt needed, only criminal who got there hands on them illegally would own weapons such as guns...
All the Emperor requires of us guardsmen is that we hold the line,and die fighting. Its what we do best. We die standing.
All Imperial worlds are required to maintain a Planetary Defense Force for their own defense. Most worlds of the Imperium are likewise required to tithe the best of their PDF to the Imperial Guard.
The exception to this are Forge Worlds, owned by the Adeptus Mechanicus. Their Guard Tithe is instead rendered directly to the Machine Cult, and become Tech-Guard, also called Skitarii.
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
Matt Ward, because of the obvious Marine favouritism
That wasn't enough marine favouritism to be Mat Ward. To be true Ward, the marine would then get get up, blinded, take all the guardsman out through listening to them and using ninja skills, then go off and slap Slaanesh silly for spreading rumours about draigo falling to chaos in the last demon codex. This new marine can't be corrupted as you have to look at slaanesh to fall in love with him. Then he carves his name on slaanesh's pancreas and wanders off, trolling the universe.
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
If your looking for a good estimate, I think that (like mentioned) dark heresy is the way to go about it. the way you are able to buy weapons as a peon workingh for an inquisitor is literally to pgo to a random worlds marketplace and buy it. So the weapon availability rating given for the major worlds (feral, hive, argicultural etc) should give you a pretty decent idea of what people can arm themselfs with. A ubiquitous rating does really mean everyone has acces to this the same way the have knives and forks.
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where their guns broken or something?
