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 Happyjew wrote:
Right, you are given permission to fire weapons as if you had been stationary. However, "Gun models cannot be fired if they moved at all in that turn's Movement phase" has nothing to do with firing Heavy weapons. It is an additional restriction.

Yes I get that it's another restriction, but the wording of S&P seems to override it, so long as the weapon in question is heavy, ordnance or salvo. The rule says that they count as stationary when shooting those weapons. Stationary = didn't move. If they count as not having moved, they can fire.
To me your interpretation seems to be saying "they count as not moving, but they moved", which doesn't make any sense to me.

 Happyjew wrote:
Right, you are given permission to fire weapons as if you had been stationary. However, "Gun models cannot be fired if they moved at all in that turn's Movement phase" has nothing to do with firing Heavy weapons. It is an additional restriction.

As above, relised this after I had replied, it is not a restriction due to heavy weapons it is a restriction due to artillely rules

Tactical_Genius wrote:

Read the wording of slow and purposeful. The whole unit benefits, this would include gun models.

I understand that but the way I interpret that section of S&P is:

Trigger: Triggering model is attempting to <shoot with a Heavy, Salvo or Ordinance Weapon>
Effect: For the purposes of this shooting attack the shooting model is considered stationary

I would say that the artillery models are never themselves attempting to shoot so never trigger the effect. The crewman however triggers the effect but in this case only he counts as stationary.

The other way of interpreting S&P is:
Continuous Effect: Models with slow and purposeful always count as stationary regardless of whether they moved in the previous Movement phase.

That seems a bit of a broad interpretation.

How about Canoptek Artillery? It fires itself!

Stygian Juggernaut wrote:
How about Canoptek Artillery? It fires itself!

If it is a gun model, and it moves it cannot be fired per the Artillery rules.

So if Relentless cannot 'count' Artillery as not having moved and allow them to fire any weapons within it's description, then I guess the same can be said for Deepstrike cannot count them as having been moved, as they didn't ACTUALLY move?

Nevermind that. Would Relentless be un-able to override Deepstrike's 'counts as having moved' for ANY model just because it is mentioned in Deepstrike's rules?

Stygian Juggernaut wrote:
Would Relentless be un-able to override Deepstrike's 'counts as having moved' for ANY model just because it is mentioned in Deepstrike's rules?

No, it would not override it. Slow and purposeful lets you fire your weapon counting as stationary, it does not say that you never count as having moved for any reasons forever.

BRB state the reason you cannot move and shoot artillery is because artillery cannot make snap shots. If you count as being stationary you can fire the weapon normally with out snap shots.

Everyone Run, it is even more necromancy!

Please, why are we posting on stuff that is over a quarter a year old?

someone posted this link in another forum and i figured bc he posted it it was recent

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