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Darkwynn wrote:
Large portion of the players don't show up in the singles event actually. Think if the singles as a warm up before the big event. Most people bring there list they are going to play in the team event and they will just get hard match ups to be pushed out.

This is what I hear every year; it's good to be mindful for no one to get too excited.

Seeing Andrew do well with the list in an all-comers setting is a boon in that I believe his list is more of a defender list for the team component.

Good for him... Invaluable experience!

 frgsinwntr wrote:
Looks like the USA has some of the best players in the world. Specifically the eastern US...

If any of you central or Western US want to challenge that notion :p lets see how you do at NOVA

We will see at the Las Vegas Open if you carpet-bagging yankees have the goods or not..

 Blackmoor wrote:

 frgsinwntr wrote:
Looks like the USA has some of the best players in the world. Specifically the eastern US...

If any of you central or Western US want to challenge that notion :p lets see how you do at NOVA

We will see at the Las Vegas Open if you carpet-bagging yankees have the goods or not..

Since when are all Easterners Yankees?

 Blackmoor wrote:

 frgsinwntr wrote:
Looks like the USA has some of the best players in the world. Specifically the eastern US...

If any of you central or Western US want to challenge that notion :p lets see how you do at NOVA

We will see at the Las Vegas Open if you carpet-bagging yankees have the goods or not..

Las vegas open isn't a large enough venue to determine this. you need a much larger field to draw from... something like Adepticon where Nick Nanivati took the team event with his team AND the championship....

NOVA is a big enough format

Las vegas open... this is the first year right? Not sure we can have that man players...

besides... the strippers and gambling may keep us yankees up all night... not a fair fight!

((i am continuing my in jest smack talking)

Kopach and Bajramovic both charging hard ... Andrew maintained at Table 1 ... Kopach is up at Table 2 ... Bajramovic at Table 4

by looking at the map the midwest seems to have more top players but you start to get into nit picking who is top tier.

Toledo and Chicago put out lots of tough players.

MVBrandt wrote:
Kopach and Bajramovic both charging hard ... Andrew maintained at Table 1 ... Kopach is up at Table 2 ... Bajramovic at Table 4

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 skkipper wrote:


by looking at the map the midwest seems to have more top players but you start to get into nit picking who is top tier.

Toledo and Chicago put out lots of tough players.

map with no data?

For any that are following / care, Kopach had a tabling while Gonyo pulled a 12/7 minor win; puts Andrew at 80, Kopach at 77; if either of them pulls a major while the other can draw out, very good shot of one winning the ESC. Which, while in some ways just a warm-up for ETC, is still bragging rights.

/cough go washington, dc!

That word document with all the lists was very interesting reading.

As someone building a Tau army, I was surprised to see:

- the vast majority of Kroot packs did not take the sniper round upgrade (5 out of 32 players running Kroot packs used sniper rounds, at a glance)
- 0 players took any kind of drone with their Pathfinder teams
- only 2 players took a shas'ui upgrade with their Fire Warrior teams (0 shaper upgrades on Kroot as well, less surprisingly)

agreed... I think this shows more that volume of fire is huge this edition as well as durability.

2+saves on T6 is good, as is lots of bodies... and the sky rays ability to put out SOOOO many str 8 shots on turn 1

The problem is that the country is just to large to say who the best players are. Since a lot of the top players on the west coast do not travel to the east coast (and vise versa) that we can never know who the best players are.

And the Las Vegas Open should be as large as the Nova Open (they are both planung for 256 players).

 Blackmoor wrote:
The problem is that the country is just to large to say who the best players are. Since a lot of the top players on the west coast do not travel to the east coast (and vise versa) that we can never know who the best players are.

And the Las Vegas Open should be as large as the Nova Open.

It's not the size of the event that counts. Larger events present LESS meaningful results by FAR, because there's no way to guarantee the best players all play each other at the appropriate times. They will only tell you who the best SINGLE person was (in a category) for that event ... not how good the concentration of players from different regions are. You're more likely to see meaningful results at something like the Invitational w/ only 32 top-tier folks, or the FOB Invitational (where at least everyone qualified at something, despite the largeness of the subsequent field). Yada yada.

That said, you're totally falling for Rich Therkorn's joking and self-called-out troll.

Also, it's mandolls.

Willingham is from TX and is probably too busy spending stripper tokens to do well/participate at all in the singles.

MVBrandt wrote:

 Blackmoor wrote:
The problem is that the country is just to large to say who the best players are. Since a lot of the top players on the west coast do not travel to the east coast (and vise versa) that we can never know who the best players are.

And the Las Vegas Open should be as large as the Nova Open.

It's not the size of the event that counts. Larger events present LESS meaningful results by FAR, because there's no way to guarantee the best players all play each other at the appropriate times. They will only tell you who the best SINGLE person was (in a category) for that event ... not how good the concentration of players from different regions are. You're more likely to see meaningful results at something like the Invitational w/ only 32 top-tier folks, or the FOB Invitational (where at least everyone qualified at something, despite the largeness of the subsequent field). Yada yada.

That said, you're totally falling for Rich Therkorn's joking and self-called-out troll.

Also, it's mandolls.

1 thing I tend to notice is that, no matter the tournament, the great players manage to consistently make it to the top. For example, and this is just a very small sample set, but at the Golden Throne this year, Reece, Frankie, Liz (BAO 13 winner) and Mortetvie made it once again to the Top8, with Mortetvie beating Reece for the top spot (ahem....what should have been my spot had I gone ). In any case, these are all very good players who consistently place very high in tournament play. I am sure if they were to go to an East Coast event, they will continue to do well.

As a matter of fact, I may give it a shot at one of the east coast events myself next year. Any suggestions....


BTW, GOOOOOOOO USA!

There is no way you can see the NE has the best players. That just happens to be where the majority of the ETC players are selected from.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
There is no way you can see the NE has the best players. That just happens to be where the majority of the ETC players are selected from.

How did one of the better trolls here get trolled?

And ... 'Murrica!

PS - I find it funny how quickly we as Americans tend to compartmentalize regions, almost always in an effort to get closer to ourselves. I guess it's probably not just an American trait, but a natural human one ... it's still funny. Our COUNTRY is doing well at an international event. We all want them to do well at a bigger and much more focused one in a couple days ... TEAMWORK!

MVBrandt wrote:
You're more likely to see meaningful results at something like the Invitational w/ only 32 top-tier folks

Not to take anything away from that event, but the problem is that all of the invites are from tournaments in the East (and the Mid-West which is East from here) except the BAO I think,

That said, you're totally falling for Rich Therkorn's joking and self-called-out troll.

Also, it's mandolls.

I know. I am just saying that the country is just to large to say who the best players are since they never play each other.

 Blackmoor wrote:

MVBrandt wrote:
You're more likely to see meaningful results at something like the Invitational w/ only 32 top-tier folks

Not to take anything away from that event, but the problem is that all of the invites are from tournaments in the East (and the Mid-West which is East from here) except the BAO I think,

That said, you're totally falling for Rich Therkorn's joking and self-called-out troll.

Also, it's mandolls.

I know. I am just saying that the country is just to large to say who the best players are since they never play each other.

Not really ... GTGT next year, also LVO next year, BAO of course, TSHIFT, and there were a couple of others; not everyone from the West actually attends, which is the same as for Western events ... it's just too expensive (not a slight). We also have two qualifiers from Europe (nominees from ETC team captains). So, no, not really just the East :p

Also, sounds like we need to play this year ... you're not getting in on Wednesday by chance are you?

 frgsinwntr wrote:


Las vegas open isn't a large enough venue to determine this. you need a much larger field to draw from... something like Adepticon where Nick Nanivati took the team event with his team AND the championship....

NOVA is a big enough format

Las vegas open... this is the first year right? Not sure we can have that man players...

besides... the strippers and gambling may keep us yankees up all night... not a fair fight!

((i am continuing my in jest smack talking)

Haha, it hasn't even happened yet, how can it now be big enough?! And it is a 256 player event, but we'll see how it shakes down.


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Oh, and good luck Team USA!!!!!! Kick ass!

As Mike says, I find it very impressive that Gonyo and Kopach are doing so well considering that their lists are pretty put-forward-ish. Especially Gonyo's, I mean 3 Riptides are good, but they don't do THAT much killing - just shows how good of a player he is!

MVBrandt wrote:
Also, sounds like we need to play this year ... you're not getting in on Wednesday by chance are you?

Nope, I will be coming in on Tuesday.

Blackmoor, you just need to beat Tony Kopach on his home turf this year (after coming oh-so-close before!) and then the smack talk will be all yours

Interesting that he never seems to come on and post, it's always others on his behalf

Go USA!!

Gonyo won the Singles Championship.
Kopach and Bajramovic both finished in the top 5.

 Blackmoor wrote:

 frgsinwntr wrote:
Looks like the USA has some of the best players in the world. Specifically the eastern US...

If any of you central or Western US want to challenge that notion :p lets see how you do at NOVA

We will see at the Las Vegas Open if you carpet-bagging yankees have the goods or not..

I cant get any of the beltway guys, the jersey gusy, or the ne guys to go with me :/ Too many gts this yr. Makes it hard for the east guys to get to all the east coast tornys +adeptacon + the west coast events.


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 Blackmoor wrote:
The problem is that the country is just to large to say who the best players are. Since a lot of the top players on the west coast do not travel to the east coast (and vise versa) that we can never know who the best players are.

And the Las Vegas Open should be as large as the Nova Open (they are both planung for 256 players).

Bingo! Theres only so many vac days each year and new gt's are popping up all over the place!


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MVBrandt wrote:
Gonyo won the Singles Championship.
Kopach and Bajramovic both finished in the top 5.

Nicee!!!!!!!! USA USA USA, if we can take back soccer, we can take back warhammer!


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 Reecius wrote:

 frgsinwntr wrote:


Las vegas open isn't a large enough venue to determine this. you need a much larger field to draw from... something like Adepticon where Nick Nanivati took the team event with his team AND the championship....

NOVA is a big enough format

Las vegas open... this is the first year right? Not sure we can have that man players...

besides... the strippers and gambling may keep us yankees up all night... not a fair fight!

((i am continuing my in jest smack talking)

Haha, it hasn't even happened yet, how can it now be big enough?! And it is a 256 player event, but we'll see how it shakes down.


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Oh, and good luck Team USA!!!!!! Kick ass!

I really really want to go to this, but I party hard when I go to vegas so idk how effective I would be at 40k (im a scrub when sober soo)

Congrats to Andrew Gonyo! And to Tony Kopach and Alan Bajramovic for their top 5's

Hopefully, they can do well in the team event, too!

And krootman, we haven't taken back soccer football by a long shot

I'd do the Vegas trip... But it's the wrong time of year for me... Right time of year for the weather tho. As a teacher June-mid August is my range of big trips

Great job Team USA...keep it up!!!...See a lot of you kids at the NOVA here in a few weeks...



JY2,

As a matter of fact, I may give it a shot at one of the east coast events myself next year. Any suggestions....

Personally I suggest the NOVA open for an East Coast event...you can make a vacation out of it with DC within a 5 min. drive from the event...my two cents...

It's DC in August. That's always been the biggest sticking point for me; 100+ degree days in high-humidity regions just aren't all that exciting, particularly since I live in climate-controlled California.

On the other hand, I've been convinced to head to Tennessee in August, which isn't really much better.

Or meet in the "middle" at AdeptiCon as many folks do already (ok, it's not the middle, but it's closer ).

And living close to DC, I can unfortunately confirm the humidity problems. Did a test piece with spray sealant recently, and it came out with the white powdery effect...

You're in the AC most of the time at a convention, but it does make seeing the monuments / sights less appealing!