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And to follow on from the last post its only a weapon when used so when writing your list its not a weapon

Think of it this way.

Can you master craft a witchfire power?

 Happyjew wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
5th edition did not have rules for non-vehicles using Ordnance weapons, so they had to throw some rules in.

Not true, even 4th Edition already had an infantry-mounted ordnance weapon, the SAG

That did not have rules associated with non-vehicles using Ordnance, which is why there is a note that it is treated as a Heavy Weapon for movement and assault purposes.

So the note has rules for an infantry model firing an Ordnance weapon, right?

Which are, interestingly enough, the same rules which 6th implemented.

It's still fired as a ranged weapon in the shooting phase. I have arguments that it's not a weapon. If it isn't a weapon then I should have no restrictions firing it after moving and then assaulting as long as I assault the target I shot at. The ordnance wouldn't apply to my character because he called it down. It even specifically states it doesn't stop me from charging with said unit making me feel like the ordnance doesn't matter with the moving and all

icefire78 wrote:
It's still fired as a ranged weapon in the shooting phase. I have arguments that it's not a weapon. If it isn't a weapon then I should have no restrictions firing it after moving and then assaulting as long as I assault the target I shot at. The ordnance wouldn't apply to my character because he called it down. It even specifically states it doesn't stop me from charging with said unit making me feel like the ordnance doesn't matter with the moving and all

Well if it's not a weapon, and you can choose to ignore the "ordnance" part of the weapon profile, what makes you think you can use the Str and AP of this non-weapon?

 Happyjew wrote:
5th edition did not have rules for non-vehicles using Ordnance weapons, so they had to throw some rules in.

6th edition has specific rules forbidding moving and firing, so you still cannot move and shoot (unless in Terminator armour).

Or a boss guardsman with a demo charge.

Seeing as the rule gives you specific permission to charge after using it (Which you wouldn't normally, as it's Ordnance), it seems safe to say you treat it like any other Ordnance weapon.

Meaning you can't move and shoot it without relentless (Terminator Armor, Armor Indomnitus, Bike, etc.).

It is also listed under special rules and not wargear, therefore it is not a weapon, it is a special rule that "counts as firing a ranged weapon". Clearly, "counts as" indicates it is NOT a ranged weapon, but it is resolved as one.

move and fire, so long as you have relentless or TDA or something, yes

MC it? (or divination or other re roll to hit) RAW as it stands... yes, but the other orbital barrages have been faq's to not be able to MC, so likely not RAI, or it will be faq's away at some point.

Vulcan allows you to master-craft a weapon. Since the orbital bombardment is not a weapon, but rather a special rule, you can't mastercraft it, just like can't master-craft ATSKNF.

When you chose to use the orbital bombardment, the chapter master counts as firing an ordnance weapon. The rule "orbital bombardment" never counts as ordnance weapon.

However, you would apply any rules that work on shooting attacks in general (and are not limited to weapons, ie. wargear), including prescience. Witchfire psychic power work the same way, so this isn't too surprising.

icefire78 wrote:
It's still fired as a ranged weapon in the shooting phase. I have arguments that it's not a weapon. If it isn't a weapon then I should have no restrictions firing it after moving and then assaulting as long as I assault the target I shot at. The ordnance wouldn't apply to my character because he called it down. It even specifically states it doesn't stop me from charging with said unit making me feel like the ordnance doesn't matter with the moving and all

If it specifically states that then it won't stop you from charging then it shouldn't stop you from moving. It has Ordanance in the profile so the damage eminates from the center of the blast not the Character Firing it.

 juraigamer wrote:


GK can do the same thing, taking an orbital strike on a grandmaster and MC-ing it.

THIS is the opposite of true. Read your FAQs.

And also from the GK FAQ:

GK FAQ wrote:
Q: Inquisitor Karamazov has the Relentless special rule, but can he use his orbital strike relay if he has moved (p46/58)?
A: No.

So if we want to use Precedent as a thing (which we do), then Relentless is now what allows you to move and shoot the OSB.
IF you want to do that, you have to have some other rule.

The Orbital Strike Relay specifically says you cannot move. This language doesn't exist in the SM codex.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
The Orbital Strike Relay specifically says you cannot move. This language doesn't exist in the SM codex.

Well, that's good to know!