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In reference to the Orbital Bombardment, the new SM Codex does not have the following line from the 5th codex: "providing that the Chapter Master did not move in the preceding Movement phase".

What the new codex does say is "this counts firing a ranged weapon with the following profile ... Ordnance 1, barrage". (Barrage, yay can now fire without LOS)

The BRB states the following for Ordnance: "A non-vehicle model carrying an Ordnance weapon cannot fire it in the Shooting phase if he moved in the preceding movement phase".

Since the Chapter Master is not carrying an ordnance weapon, can he now move and fire the orbital bombardment (or is that wishful thinking)?

5th edition did not have rules for non-vehicles using Ordnance weapons, so they had to throw some rules in.

6th edition has specific rules forbidding moving and firing, so you still cannot move and shoot (unless in Terminator armour).

 FromAbove wrote:
...(or is that wishful thinking)?

That's how I'd classify it. "Counts as" is not there for people to pick and choose which relevant rules they'd like to obey.

 FromAbove wrote:
What the new codex does say is "this counts firing a ranged weapon with the following profile ... Ordnance 1, barrage".

 FromAbove wrote:
Since the Chapter Master is not carrying an ordnance weapon,...

The profile you just quoted says otherwise.

Yes, fluff-wise he isn't 'carrying' the weapon (although cookies for the first person to model a Chapter Master running around with an orbital bombardment cannon...) but rules-wise it's just a piece of his gear.

Stick him in TDA or give him the Armour Indomitus.

Or give him a bike.

Also as a question for this orbital Bombardment. Is it a weapon I could Master craft using the Salamander Chapter Tactics?

Technically, yes.

 Happyjew wrote:
5th edition did not have rules for non-vehicles using Ordnance weapons, so they had to throw some rules in.

Not true, even 4th Edition already had an infantry-mounted ordnance weapon, the SAG

icefire78 wrote:Also as a question for this orbital Bombardment. Is it a weapon I could Master craft using the Salamander Chapter Tactics?

Kommissar Kel wrote:Technically, yes.

...that's so brutal...

 Jidmah wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
5th edition did not have rules for non-vehicles using Ordnance weapons, so they had to throw some rules in.

Not true, even 4th Edition already had an infantry-mounted ordnance weapon, the SAG

That did not have rules associated with non-vehicles using Ordnance, which is why there is a note that it is treated as a Heavy Weapon for movement and assault purposes.

Even if the Chapter Master has a Bike or Termie armor for the Relentless, I thought non-vehicle models could still not move and then fire Ordnance. Weren't people arguing successfully that even Monstrous Creatures (like the Riptide) had to stay still to fire their Ordnance weapon?

 Lord Krungharr wrote:
Even if the Chapter Master has a Bike or Termie armor for the Relentless, I thought non-vehicle models could still not move and then fire Ordnance. Weren't people arguing successfully that even Monstrous Creatures (like the Riptide) had to stay still to fire their Ordnance weapon?

The Relentless rule quite clearly says that they can move and fire, as well as charge. I don't know how it could be argued otherwise tbh.

 Lord Krungharr wrote:
Even if the Chapter Master has a Bike or Termie armor for the Relentless, I thought non-vehicle models could still not move and then fire Ordnance. Weren't people arguing successfully that even Monstrous Creatures (like the Riptide) had to stay still to fire their Ordnance weapon?

The argument for the Riptide was that it couldn't fire any other weapons (it can't). Relentless doesn't change that aspect of the Ordnance rule.

 Jimsolo wrote:

icefire78 wrote:Also as a question for this orbital Bombardment. Is it a weapon I could Master craft using the Salamander Chapter Tactics?

Kommissar Kel wrote:Technically, yes.

...that's so brutal...

I had this idea a long time ago with GK. Unfortunately (for me), the GK FAQ this spring forbid Master-crafting an OSB.
Precedent? No, you can't.
RAW? Yes, I think you can.

So how would a mastercrafted orbital bombardment work anyway?

 Jimsolo wrote:

icefire78 wrote:Also as a question for this orbital Bombardment. Is it a weapon I could Master craft using the Salamander Chapter Tactics?

Kommissar Kel wrote:Technically, yes.

...that's so brutal...

Are you sure about that? IIRC the orbital bombardment is a special rule and not a weapon.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
Technically, yes.

I'd say no. They moved the Bombardment from Wargear to special rule. He doesn't carry its as a weapon to mastercraft.

wait so, what was the general concensus on relentless and OB? is that a yay or nay? I was wondering about this the other night as well.

 Baldsmug wrote:
wait so, what was the general concensus on relentless and OB? is that a yay or nay? I was wondering about this the other night as well.

Relentless special rule is pretty clear. If you have it, you can move + OB

 Pyriel- wrote:
So how would a mastercrafted orbital bombardment work anyway?

You would re-roll the scatter dice.

GK can do the same thing, taking an orbital strike on a grandmaster and MC-ing it.

It seems kind of fishy to say that is IS an ordnance weapon (when it being a weapon prevents you from moving and using it) but that it's not when you want to mastercraft it. I'm fine with it being one or the other, but doing it both ways seems like trying to do two things at once.

There's nothing fishy about a special rule which is only a weapon while you're firing it. It's not even particularly unusual anymore. Witchfire. Serpent Shields.

But if the character can mastercraft one of his weapons, then he should be able to mastercraft one of his weapons. If it's ever a weapon, then how is it not eligible to be mastercrafted? RAI I think you're absolutely right, and when a real FAQ comes out I'm sure they'll address that. But RAW that doesn't seem like a solid argument.

 Jimsolo wrote:
If it's ever a weapon, then how is it not eligible to be mastercrafted?

Why is this a question? What does "ever" have to do with anything? You don't get to be eligible because you might, at some point in the future, become eligible.

 Jimsolo wrote:
But RAW that doesn't seem like a solid argument.

RaW, you seem to be arguing that a 5 year old should be able to vote, drive, and buy alcohol right now because he'll eventually be old enough.

Also he can only move and fire if he has a bike, that special relentless armor, or is attached to centurions.

icefire78 wrote:
Also as a question for this orbital Bombardment. Is it a weapon I could Master craft using the Salamander Chapter Tactics?

No as it is a special rule not a weapon per say directly on the model

Well, if it's not a weapon, then it isn't bound by the rules for firing Ordnance weapons, is it?

(And yes, if there was some hypothetical way to apply the Salamander rule to Eldar tanks, then the Serpent Shield would be just as eligible as any weapons. If it has a weapon profile, then it's eligible.)

If it's only a weapon SOMETIMES, then it's clearly only going to benefit from the mastercrafted rule when it's busy being a weapon. (Not that it matters, really, since the mastercrafted rule wouldn't do it any good when it's not being a weapon anyhow.)

Until Games Workshop FAQs it, the Orbital Bombardment is treated as a weapon. (It has to be, otherwise the Chapter Master could drop pod in and still fire it.) Until GW FAQs it (and they should!) it is still eligible to be the character's master-crafted weapon. Is it RAI? No. Is it how I would play it? No. Would I let it fly in a tournament? No. But it IS correct according to the rules as written.

It is not a weapon

A chapter master may call down...

Not fire or use

 Jimsolo wrote:
If it's only a weapon SOMETIMES, then it's clearly only going to benefit from the mastercrafted rule when it's busy being a weapon.

I see you can understand the fundamental concept. So, let's put it in your own words and see if it makes sense to you now:

"If it's only a weapon SOMETIMES, then it's clearly only going to benefit from the I-can-buy-mastercrafting-for-it rule when it's busy being a weapon."

See?