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Solid showing by both sides, but Jy2's tactics once again carry the day.

Umm. Obviously you have your opinion, but a properly built SOB list is still very competitive.

If they were so competitive you'd see them in the standings at big events...sadly, they aren't even close. Sorry. Yeah, you can build a decent list and even ally them into armies for laughs...but they still suck and are boring as hell currently. Meh. The only place they have in the game currently is in fun games like this batrep. They simply can't handle the top current codexes at all.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:

Umm. Obviously you have your opinion, but a properly built SOB list is still very competitive.

If they were so competitive you'd see them in the standings at big events...sadly, they aren't even close.

A Sisters/GK list made third at Nova in 2012. Their under representation has more to do with the lack of accessible rules and cheap minis than it does with power level. Combine that with the fact that the big tournament winners have a tendency to move from army to army (playing so many games, I don't blame them) and you have an under represented army.

Sorry. Yeah, you can build a decent list and even ally them into armies for laughs...but they still suck and are boring as hell currently. Meh. The only place they have in the game currently is in fun games like this batrep. They simply can't handle the top current codexes at all.

Boring is subjective. Suck is not. Sisters are boring. They have limited choices without allies. But they are still competitive and have the tools to handle a lot of what is in the game right now. Add in allies and/or Forgeworld and they get much, much, better. Look, I'm don't like not having a current codex as much as the next guy, but don't turn that dislike for the WD dex into a blind disregard for the actual state of the army.

 djones520 wrote:
Why did he park your monolith behind his excorsist? That was just begging for you to blow it up. Shoulda put it in your far corner.

I think his "long-term" plan was to take my objective. Thus, he didn't want the monolith there to ruin his plans.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
SOB are outclassed by every army now. Even a "friendlier" Necron list will molest and destroy the SOB with little problems. It doesn't matter that they have 3+ saves...they are T3 army and the volume of either A. shooting or B. CC attacks...wipes them away with ease. Thus my SOB patiently await a 6th edition codex. It's not worth the frustration.

Even a "friendlier" necron list is still a good list. Dark Eldar is another army with only T3 guys....but with only 5+ saves. They still get the job done against most armies. I see the Sisters in a similar boat. Not the best and may have trouble against the newer codices, but a good Sisters army generaled by a good player can still do well. Throw in allies and they actually become quite good.

 pretre wrote:

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
SOB are outclassed by every army now. Even a "friendlier" Necron list will molest and destroy the SOB with little problems. It doesn't matter that they have 3+ saves...they are T3 army and the volume of either A. shooting or B. CC attacks...wipes them away with ease. Thus my SOB patiently await a 6th edition codex. It's not worth the frustration.

Umm. Obviously you have your opinion, but a properly built SOB list is still very competitive. Add in FW or Allies and it is even more so. I certainly haven't had any problems winning with them in 6th.

Agreed.

 Mythantor wrote:
My favourite unit in the game is 5 Seraphim with 2 hand flamers + St Celestine

Deep Strikes in a roasts just about any infantry unit in the game with
1 heavy flamer and 4 rerolling failed wounds hand flamers.

Yeah, that is such a bad-a$$ unit. Most people don't realize what it can do until it gets close....and cause a bazillion wounds on your unit. I learned it the hard way as it killed 4 of my wraiths in just 1 turn of shooting at a tournament.

And their ability to Hit-&-Run is sooooooo good.

 Valkyrie wrote:
Bit of an awful decision by your opponent, placing your mishap-ed Monolith in his own deployment zone. Besides from handing over Linebreaker (very tough to get rid of it), he's just exposing the most vulnerable part of his force: the rear armour.

Monolith doesn't count towards Linebreaker....it's not scoring.

 Largeblastmarker wrote:
Well, so far It is going pretty much as expected. Sucks that the repentia have already been destroyed.

I wanted no part of those eviscerator-wielding psycho b*tches in combat who can still attack after you kill them.

bogalubov wrote:
Despite having two assault units, I don't understand why your opponent would run at you. I think they would have worked best staying out of sight and being counter assault units. Also, I'm not sure what he hoped to accomplish by placing your monolith behind his units in the deployment zone. It's not within range of melta guns and it's just going to disrupt things in the back yard. Just bizarre decisions.

Sisters can still be a strong army. However, they are a little bit like Tyranids. The strong builds look very, very similar. You have to rely on exorcists, retributors, seraphim and the necron in disguise, Celestine.

It's a matter of him trying out some tactics that just didn't work out. Normally, the repentias are a sacrificial unit where you do want to draw most of the enemy firepower and he played it as such. However, against my army I do negate their FNP so they did die rather quickly.

I actually admire a Sisters player who runs repentias no matter the tactics. They are a breath of fresh air compared to dominions, exorcists and retributors. They're also like my monolith in that they usually die a horrible death but just once in a while, they may actually shine.

 pretre wrote:
Good report! I feel bad for the sisters player. Wrong tools and wrong moves.

Thanks. Probably it was his opponent who made his moves look wrong.

meh_ wrote:
I hope to see mores Sisters platers shelve Rhinos. I just can't stand them in 6ed. While I don't run pure sisters on foot, but sisters on foot with ADL and IG blob allies work quite well. The only transport I would like to run are repressors.

I don't think rhino-rush sisters are all that bad. Certainly difficult to play, but it's not as nerfed as, say, Grey Knight purifier-spam lists. But sisters on foot is definitely a viable sisters build....as long as you don't have to go up against the triple-turkey chaos builds.

The only thing about repressors is that you can't bring them to tournaments that don't allow Forgeworld. But they do seem pretty cool if somewhat expensive.




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 pretre wrote:

meh_ wrote:
I hope to see mores Sisters platers shelve Rhinos. I just can't stand them in 6ed. While I don't run pure sisters on foot, but sisters on foot with ADL and IG blob allies work quite well. The only transport I would like to run are repressors.

I agree with this. Foot blob guard with Celestine and Jacobus is hilarious. I've run it a couple times and done quite well. I also recently ran AV13 spam sisters with Repressors and won best general at a 4 game 16-20 person event. It is a pretty good list.

Congrats. Personally, I prefer the blob squads with ATSKNF characters, but Celestine + Jacobus + blob squads certainly make for an interesting and powerful combo.

 iGuy91 wrote:
Solid showing by both sides, but Jy2's tactics once again carry the day.

Thanks. For my fun-crons, it's all about the tactics.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:

Umm. Obviously you have your opinion, but a properly built SOB list is still very competitive.

If they were so competitive you'd see them in the standings at big events...sadly, they aren't even close. Sorry. Yeah, you can build a decent list and even ally them into armies for laughs...but they still suck and are boring as hell currently. Meh. The only place they have in the game currently is in fun games like this batrep. They simply can't handle the top current codexes at all.

I actually think that they can handle the top armies to a certain degree. They'll always be underdogs in these types of matchups, but under the right conditions, they can potentially upset even the strongests armies IMO. That's because they bring with them the element of surprise against most opponents simply by the fact that so few people run Sisters and thus, not many people are aware of what they can do. In other words, they are often under-estimated (just not with me because I've played against them so much).

 pretre wrote:

 CaptKaruthors wrote:

Umm. Obviously you have your opinion, but a properly built SOB list is still very competitive.

If they were so competitive you'd see them in the standings at big events...sadly, they aren't even close.

A Sisters/GK list made third at Nova in 2012. Their under representation has more to do with the lack of accessible rules and cheap minis than it does with power level. Combine that with the fact that the big tournament winners have a tendency to move from army to army (playing so many games, I don't blame them) and you have an under represented army.

Sorry. Yeah, you can build a decent list and even ally them into armies for laughs...but they still suck and are boring as hell currently. Meh. The only place they have in the game currently is in fun games like this batrep. They simply can't handle the top current codexes at all.

Boring is subjective. Suck is not. Sisters are boring. They have limited choices without allies. But they are still competitive and have the tools to handle a lot of what is in the game right now. Add in allies and/or Forgeworld and they get much, much, better. Look, I'm don't like not having a current codex as much as the next guy, but don't turn that dislike for the WD dex into a blind disregard for the actual state of the army.

A pure Sisters player also got 3rd or 4th at the Golden Throne 2012. I agree that you're not going to see them on top a lot because they are way under-represented in tournament play. But if you look at their averages in tournament play, I have a feeling that they will normally place above the average lot.

 iGuy91 wrote:
Solid showing by both sides, but Jy2's tactics once again carry the day.

I think with such a discrepancy in skill and list there was little room for brilliant tactics to come through.

bogalubov wrote:

 iGuy91 wrote:
Solid showing by both sides, but Jy2's tactics once again carry the day.

I think with such a discrepancy in skill and list there was little room for brilliant tactics to come through.

Nooooope, not getting dragged into another arguement like this
Neither list was optimized, the age of the sisters dex makes it required to play a very solid game tactically to win. Just let it go.

A Sisters/GK list made third at Nova in 2012. Their under representation has more to do with the lack of accessible rules and cheap minis than it does with power level. Combine that with the fact that the big tournament winners have a tendency to move from army to army (playing so many games, I don't blame them) and you have an under represented army.

And what is the ratio of SOB to GKs in this list? I'm generally curious. I don't see how anyone can consider them competitive in the era of riptides, eldar, and triple turkey lists. Horde SOB couldn't work either...if that's the case...you'd see chaos marines do it...because they can horde power armor on the table better...and with better support units. I don't buy the myth that SOB are a top tier competitive army. :shrug:

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
And what is the ratio of SOB to GKs in this list? I'm generally curious. I don't see how anyone can consider them competitive in the era of riptides, eldar, and triple turkey lists. Horde SOB couldn't work either...if that's the case...you'd see chaos marines do it...because they can horde power armor on the table better...and with better support units. I don't buy the myth that SOB are a top tier competitive army. :shrug:

2012, it was last year. Jeremy Veyseirre: 2 Exorcists, Rets, Bastion, 2 or 3 SOB, Dominion, Celestine, Coteaz, MonkeySquad, DK with Jump and Strike? Something like that.

I didn't say they were top tier. I said they were still competitive. SOB actually had one of the highest win rates at NOVA 2013. Probably because they are well placed to deal with 2-4 giant monstrous creatures and everyone had a riptides and WK.

Their win rate was probably higher because the amount of players playing that army is less than say Tau. I still remain unconvinced. Meh. :shrug:

I long for the days when a canoness isn't a liability and I'm not forced into taking st. celestine or uriah to make the list somewhat playable. Meh.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
Their win rate was probably higher because the amount of players playing that army is less than say Tau. I still remain unconvinced. Meh. :shrug:

Under the same theory, you could say that Taudar were actually higher than they really should be because so many top players took them.

I long for the days when a canoness isn't a liability and I'm not forced into taking st. celestine or uriah to make the list somewhat playable. Meh.

See, that's a real problem with the codex.

I've been saying that since the day that WD codex came out. So for me, that makes the book boring and lame among other things. The faith system is stupid as well and doesn't scale. Thus my SOB army sits waiting for a proper book again. I'm fine with that. I have 4 other armies to choose from.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
I've been saying that since the day that WD codex came out.

So has everyone else.

So for me, that makes the book boring and lame among other things. The faith system is stupid as well and doesn't scale. Thus my SOB army sits waiting for a proper book again. I'm fine with that. I have 4 other armies to choose from.

Aha, here's the crux. This doesn't make it a bad list or uncompetitive. It means you don't like it.

bogalubov wrote:

 iGuy91 wrote:
Solid showing by both sides, but Jy2's tactics once again carry the day.

I think with such a discrepancy in skill and list there was little room for brilliant tactics to come through.

I had a slight advantage in this game as well. I am thoroughly familiar with Sisters and all their "tricks". I'm not sure I can say the same for my opponent in regards to my unconventional, non-wraithwing necron army.

 CaptKaruthors wrote:

A Sisters/GK list made third at Nova in 2012. Their under representation has more to do with the lack of accessible rules and cheap minis than it does with power level. Combine that with the fact that the big tournament winners have a tendency to move from army to army (playing so many games, I don't blame them) and you have an under represented army.

And what is the ratio of SOB to GKs in this list? I'm generally curious. I don't see how anyone can consider them competitive in the era of riptides, eldar, and triple turkey lists. Horde SOB couldn't work either...if that's the case...you'd see chaos marines do it...because they can horde power armor on the table better...and with better support units. I don't buy the myth that SOB are a top tier competitive army. :shrug:

My thoughts on the Sisters is that they are a mid-tier army who can compete with some of the better armies under the right conditions (though they will almost always be an underdog army against the newer armies).

My personal experience with Sisters - and this is back at the end of 5th when Grey Knights were still considered top dog - was that they kicked my grey knight butts. Now there's a whole new edition change and grey knights aren't top dog any longer, but I know what a good Sisters army run by a good general is capable of. Yeah, they are not the most competitive army, but they can still compete against most of the armies. They can even give the top armies a run for their money IMO.

 pretre wrote:

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
And what is the ratio of SOB to GKs in this list? I'm generally curious. I don't see how anyone can consider them competitive in the era of riptides, eldar, and triple turkey lists. Horde SOB couldn't work either...if that's the case...you'd see chaos marines do it...because they can horde power armor on the table better...and with better support units. I don't buy the myth that SOB are a top tier competitive army. :shrug:

2012, it was last year. Jeremy Veyseirre: 2 Exorcists, Rets, Bastion, 2 or 3 SOB, Dominion, Celestine, Coteaz, MonkeySquad, DK with Jump and Strike? Something like that.

I didn't say they were top tier. I said they were still competitive. SOB actually had one of the highest win rates at NOVA 2013. Probably because they are well placed to deal with 2-4 giant monstrous creatures and everyone had a riptides and WK.

I remember. I think it was TSHFT, no? Anyways, he is a top-notch player and I would love to play against him. However, I believe he has jumped onto the Tau bandwagon, at least for Nova (don't quote me on it). Did very well there also.

He always changes armies. He brought sob/gk to nova last year. He won tshft with bolter banner and brought taudar an black legion with daemons to nova. Couldn't play BL though so just played taudar. He's working on white scars with either BT or SW right now.

 pretre wrote:
He always changes armies. He brought sob/gk to nova last year. He won tshft with bolter banner and brought taudar an black legion with daemons to nova. Couldn't play BL though so just played taudar. He's working on white scars with either BT or SW right now.

Sounds like me. Lots of armies and never the same army twice in a row at tournaments.

 jy2 wrote:


My thoughts on the Sisters is that they are a mid-tier army who can compete with some of the better armies under the right conditions (though they will almost always be an underdog army against the newer armies).

Out of curiosity what do you consider bottom tier?

Fighting Necrons is never fun

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Fighting Necrons is never fun

Really? Is this a tongue in cheek response or serious? I have plenty of fun playing against necrons, even when I'm getting rofl-stomped.

eltrain728 wrote:

 jy2 wrote:


My thoughts on the Sisters is that they are a mid-tier army who can compete with some of the better armies under the right conditions (though they will almost always be an underdog army against the newer armies).

Out of curiosity what do you consider bottom tier?

That's hard to say. Nothing really sticks out to me as really bad. All armies can be good if you really know how to play them. Moreover, the addition of allies has blurred the spectrum even further. Nowadays, armies can address their weaknesses with allies (with the exception of tyranids).

I'd rather split it into 2 groups - upper-tier and middle-tier. The upper-tier armies rely a lot on force-multiplication and/or psychic powers. The rest of the field just rely on the brute strength of the codex.

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Fighting Necrons is never fun

Probably depends on the build, but I can see how some people hate fighting against necrons and their flyers.

 pretre wrote:

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Fighting Necrons is never fun

Really? Is this a tongue in cheek response or serious? I have plenty of fun playing against necrons, even when I'm getting rofl-stomped.

It's really a subjective response. Some people just don't like playing against certain armies. For me, it was Runes of Warding Eldar back in 5th. A lot of MEQ players hated playing against the grey knights back in 5th as well. I can definitely see how some people with armies that can't deal with flyers all that well may think it isn't fun to play against necrons.

 jy2 wrote:
I can definitely see how some people with armies that can't deal with flyers all that well may think it isn't fun to play against necrons.

Yeah, I can see it. Although, for me, I don't really care even though I've mostly been playing sisters and when I play against necrons it is usually with Chaos allies (helldrakes!).

Thank you for posting.