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 tankboy145 wrote:

 tybg wrote:
Drop the Master of the Ordnance, he's so inaccurate he'd miss a 200 Ork strong Green Tide. Then drop the Dozer Blades, and with those points you can afford to upgrade your Vanquisher with Pask. Without him, you'll likely find your Vanquisher lacking. A single shot BS3 main cannon and a lascannon will fail you 50% of the time, Pask makes them BS4 and adds +1 strength vs vehicles so the Vanquisher becomes an anti-tank monster.

Also rerolls to wound on the monstrous creatures. But the strength bonus to vehicles and rerolls to wound monstrous creatures is only if he doesnt move, otherwise your just grabbing him for +1bs. I personally would use pask in a vanq. But a vanq without is hit or miss, as others said its only got a 50% chance to hit with both weapons. The plasma cannons as I mentioned are a bonus and add to his ap2 and high strength.

I would also drop the dozer blades for extra points.

In the army youve listed its very defensive. The mortars and MoO cannot fire as they are blast and large blast weapons if the chimera moves. The are also very lack luster heavy weapons, autocannons and lascannons would serve you better. I mean melta guns are anti tank weapons and in order to use them right you need to drive uup to your opponent and in an armored Guard army pushing forward is what the list should be doing. Mortars wont serve you right as their strength is weak and there ap is too high so in turn they will probably do nothing. You also have to wound your opponent just to try and pin the unit, but most units have high leadership or they are fearless. Its your call if you really want to use them but if your staying back plasma guns are better as they allow you to fire at a longer range. If you play defensive and you dont have an aegis line expect all your chimeras to be dead. Why is because your long range fire power is 2 russes, a vendetta, griffon and some mortars. I will tell you now mortars wont do much. The vendetta wont come in until turn 2 if not later, so your opponent will already be very close with most of his army at that point. Once your chimeras blow up your melta troops are as good as dead and will really struggle trying to move and kill the opponent.

Your list is trying to do 2 things. 1 is be a mobile mech force, 2 is its trying to be a static mech gunline. You need an aegis if your going gunline and if you are going gunline you need better heavy and mid range weapons. If you want to go mobile you are probably best of ditching the heavy weapons and what not.

Yeah I can see your point, i'm more used to footslogging armies, I want to be more more mobile than static, i'll save the mortars for a blob list. I've removed the MoO and the dozer blades for Pask on the Vanq, also dropped all the mortars and put an autocannon into the CCS, also swapped the meltas in the CCS for plasma guns. This brings me to a total of 1,500 points. What else could I possibly do to improve this list? I'm still not really sold on plasma guns due to gets hot. This detailed feedback is really useful, thanks!

After reviewing the list I would say thats about as best as its going to get before you start ultimately start swapping different units out. I would say its fairly solid now. Before you had your whole army basically tasked with 2 separate rolls which in the "guard way" does not work, you give a unit a roll and that unit sticks to it, only in extreme circumstances will a unit do something it isnt meant for but thats probablly because it has nothing else to fire at or do. But now you got a pretty dedicated mobile force which everything will pretty much stick together, aside from the griffon.

Just realize though as that is the only unit thats pretty much going to be holding back theres a good chance if your opponent has any deepstrikers they will probably go for that and then swing around back and try to get line breaker.

Also one thing you have to realize with guard is that one thing you do play by with them is that they are expendable. Do not try to think of all your units as prized units that MUST live. The guard way is that they die for the emperor, when one unit dies another takes it place, this is why you usually spam with guard as well. So even though you kit a vanquisher out to be a power house and really be expensive you have to realize that its most likely going to die and it should so your troops live to hold the objective. So one thing you must understand is that with plasma weapons you will have guardsmen die but it happens. Ive played mech guard lists and as you see mine above its all plasma. My russes have actually taken glances because their plasma cannons over heat here and there, but thats because theres a lot of plasma. The list above is actually my standard competitive list for 1500 pts. The first couple times were rather hard getting used to as I normally was a foot/ gunline guard player.

Also if at first this list dosent succeed, dont quit trying it, keep trying it out and see what works. As some tips I found out with my list above I had realized you need to keep your units together, do NOT split your forces up,it just makes it easier for your opponent to pick your units off easier before he/she delivers the killing blow.

Another tip, for my list above I had realized I need my russes to lead the charge to provide cover for my chimeras, since I only have 2 russes and 3 chimeras a good protion of my list is in reserves being 2 vendettas and 2 flamer/demo vets. I need to basically keep my army back a turn to not take to much fire and get bogged down and wait for the airsupport so they can come in and I can do an all out armored charge.

It takes a little getting used to but it also helps knowing what your enemy is also capable of.

Hope some of this helps and hope anyone else that is reading helps them too!