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If the Minotaurs attack as they usually do (full chapter concentrating on specific battles) then I would say only the Ultramarines, Imperial Fists and Dark Angels would be able to take the initial attack and hold off until the full chapter reinforces because of their defenses (ultramar, the phalanx and the rock respectively). The other chapters wouldnt survive a surprise attack from a full chapter and will be hardpressed to take the offensive.

Chapter vs chapter strngth though:
UM - ultramar took on a whole hive fleet and survived. This has got to go to the smurfs.

IF - siege masters, they wrote the book on how to defend (seige of the emperors palace a perfect example). They only need a fewer number of marines to defend their positions, leaving the rest free to circle around and flank the minotaurs. Plus... Dynath Lysander

Dark Angels - If it starts with fleet combat, dark angels have the rock which gives them an advantage, but if it ends up as ground combat... The 3 wings with their specific styles of warfare might just give them a slight edge. The fast strikes of the ravenwing combined with the relentless deathwing supported by flexible greenwing is a formidable strategy on paper.

Sallies - might have gear comparable to the minotaurs, but their numbers will cost them the fight

Raven guard - they might be able to put the hurt with their sneak attacks, but Minotaurs have better resupply options which negates the impact of sneak attacks. (Blow up our ammo reserves - new shipment arrives immediately, same with new recruits).

White scars - i agree, white scars wont make much of a dent on the Minotaurs, even worst than the RG.

Iron Hands - not enough fluff on them but I would imagine they have godly amounts of armour which might give them an edge.

BA - it would take the Black Rage afflicting them at the most opportune moment for Blood Angels to wreck the minotaurs.

Space wolves are on a different class just because they are the OG marine killers (1k sons, world eaters, missing legion -implied). I think they deserve the benefit of a doubt that they can take on any current chapter and come out on top.

What im curious to see though is Charcaradons vs Minotaurs. The minotaurs were scary enough, but the Charcaradons redefined the word scary when they showed up. Tyberos (CM or 1st company capt, fluff hasnt been vague on this) is just full of win in my book. Rarely takes of his armour, always in the front in battle with 2 lightning-chainfistd but its his actions out of combat which makes him very scary. From what I take he is very polite but somber and speaks in hushed tones... Then just goes flying rodent gak crazy in a fight.

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The SW seems to think of themselves that way. I haven't seen a clear statement from the Emperor on that. It makes sense to me that the SW were sent after the 1ksons because of their specific qualities against psykers and Russ's certain anitpathy toward them (i.e., Russ could be trusted to carry out the orders) rather than them being anti-Astartes generally.
Malcador, names the Space Wolves the "Emperor's Executioners" in Scars. The only way to get move official would be to have the Emperor name them such himself.

There is also a scene in Unremembered Empire where Guilliman states that the Space Wolves' reputation as the "Sanction" is well known. "Possibably undeserved", but that is another debate.
   
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If all forces of the first foundings are available in their respective fights this is how I see it going down (I am going to assume this is on a neutral planet due to variable fleet sizes

Dark Angels: Close Dark Angel victory, the main two wings I believe would lead a decapitation strike whilst the rest of the chapter essentaily acts as bait, so I think how it would go Minotaurs engage, battle companies on both sides take severe losses and Ravenwing sits largely in the backfield, then when moloch makes his way to the line the Ravenwing would bolt forward try to gun him down before getting into mellee range, assuming that fails beacons would be dropped and a bunch of rather irked 1st company terminators would show up causing a massive hole in the Minotaur line and slaying Moloch (keep in mind the two wings specialise in decapitation strikes due to the nature of hunting the fallen)

Imperial Fists: Close Minotaurs, I think the defensive tenacity of the IF would reap horrendous casualties against the minotaurs, but that said I personally believe the minotaurs would get this victory.

White Ravens: Total Victory White Ravens, I think the White raven mobility would essentially null and void the Minotaurs style of warfare (compare.....well most eastern mounted horde battles EDIT: or even cavalry v. infantry battles compared to contemperary western armies)

Ultramarines: Total Victory Minotaurs, I am giving this one to the minotaurs not out of some form of UM hate, but rather from what SM chapters Minotaurs would fight all the time would undoubtedly be codex, and with the UM upholding the codex to the point of insanity this would work for the minotaurs

Salamanders: Victory minotaurs, both have the same quality of tech (roughly), and I could see the minotaurs striking civillian populations to seperate salamanders, at which point divide and conquer wins the day

Raven Guard: Victory Raven Guard, I think hitting the raven guard in a mass effort would be tantamount to try to catch mist, by the end the Minotaurs would be depleted, but due to the average tenacity they would deffinately take more than a few with them

Iron hands: I do not know, honestly I havent read much about them

Blood angels: Khorne....seriously with all the DC that would be brought to the field it would just turn into a bloody war of attrition, just remember DC fall under BA supervision, so this may make up the difference.

Space Wolves: Victory Space Wolves, this is essentially original vs New School, and more importantly they have one weapon in their arsenal that would tip the balance, Bjorn, Bjorn has been around at least 1 LEGION extermination, that knowledge would pay dividends, that and the larger size of the Space Wolves(source for the executioner bit goes to HH collected visions)

Now remember if you bring in recruits, that means some time has been taken between fights, allowing the first founding to call in help, at which point I think the Minotaurs would be in for a world of hurt (aside from Space Wolves)

Now for the bad vs bad section.

Dark Angels: Moloch would fight azrael, and while it wouldnt be a hard fight, I wouldnt consider it easy, afterwards Belial would step up, and get smacked down with about the same amount of effort, effort nonetheless, at this point Sammael would probably swoop in and kill the more weary Moloch......Who said Dark Angels fight fair? .

Space Wolves: Oddly I think this would break down to Bjorn vs. Moloch. in which it goes to the classic experience vs. Age, however I think moloch might win this single combat

Blood Angels: I think the Executioner would have this (I can't remember his name for the life of me), he essentially makes his living capturing or killing those who are lost completely to rage, and want nothing more than to kill you with every ounce of their being.

Ultramarines: I think Tigurius would step in on this fight and violate Moloch's mind.

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Astorath the grim is the high chap guy for BA but I think in fluff mepheston would fight moloch, and I just don't see him losing that, matter of fact, most of the high ranking BA leaders could probably take Moloch just fluff wise. as for DA, Sammael would be the first to fight moloch, which, imo. would be a dam good fight.

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 raiden wrote:
Astorath the grim is the high chap guy for BA but I think in fluff mepheston would fight moloch, and I just don't see him losing that, matter of fact, most of the high ranking BA leaders could probably take Moloch just fluff wise. as for DA, Sammael would be the first to fight moloch, which, imo. would be a dam good fight.


Sammael would probably be first and last . Assuming moloch doesnt have an allergy to jetbikes in the face.

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