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Let's not claim right or wrong. Just be civil and discuss things :(

I don't think I'm wrong, I think my opinion is simply different than yours.

If we want to talk specifically about First and Second-Founding Chapters, sure, definitely the minority.

The remaining 24 Foundings? Probably not. It simply doesn't add up, or requires some serious twisting of time to permit a Chapter to recruit from a world with no Ecclesiarchal presence, especially if one considers the Foundings since the Age of Apostasy.

Truth is, we have an example of the original Legions-turned-Chapters as being nominally-religious, at best, the Black Templars being definitely religious, the Blood Ravens being definitely religious, and then a *whole lot* of other Chapters of which very little other than their names and maybe the color of their armor is known. There's a remaining handful of a dozen or so Chapters which we can say were at this or that battle, took part in this or that Crusade, and did this or that notable event... but of those events we often know very little, and in some cases we have only a name of a battle or a Crusade to go on.

I don't think we know enough about the majority of Chapters, other than the First and Second Founding ones, in the main, to say with certainty whether it works one way or the other.

I further think the line about the Ecclesiarchy being banned from SM homeworlds can only logically apply to those Chapters founded prior to the Age of Apostasy. After that? The Imperium would have held that world for too long for it to *not* have an Ecclesiarchal presence.

Unless you think the Imperium is going to find/capture/colonize a planet in, say, M38 and never send the Ecclesiarchy to it because it might become a Space Marine Homeworld in M41? That doesn't make any sense.

 Grey Templar wrote:
At this point, the Emperor is effectively worshipped by all loyalist Space Marines. Its more akin to ancestor worship than being a true god but it still counts.

I'll have to recheck it, but I would have sworn the 6th ed codex says that most Marine chapters do not worship him and do not consider him a deity. It notes some exceptions to the rule, but it notes that generally they regard him as the greatest of men, but still a man.

>.> Getting back to the original question. Yes. Some do worship the Emperor as a God amongst men.

Hope it helps!

 Maniac_nmt wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
At this point, the Emperor is effectively worshipped by all loyalist Space Marines. Its more akin to ancestor worship than being a true god but it still counts.

I'll have to recheck it, but I would have sworn the 6th ed codex says that most Marine chapters do not worship him and do not consider him a deity. It notes some exceptions to the rule, but it notes that generally they regard him as the greatest of men, but still a man.

The problem is when Space Marines are described in overall terms they always say they do not worship him as a God but then when they get down to the nity-gritty details of the chapters it seems like they almost always do worship him. It's one area where the background is most contradictory.

 Psienesis wrote:
I don't think I'm wrong, I think my opinion is simply different than yours.

If we want to talk specifically about First and Second-Founding Chapters, sure, definitely the minority.

The remaining 24 Foundings? Probably not. It simply doesn't add up, or requires some serious twisting of time to permit a Chapter to recruit from a world with no Ecclesiarchal presence, especially if one considers the Foundings since the Age of Apostasy.

Truth is, we have an example of the original Legions-turned-Chapters as being nominally-religious, at best, the Black Templars being definitely religious, the Blood Ravens being definitely religious, and then a *whole lot* of other Chapters of which very little other than their names and maybe the color of their armor is known. There's a remaining handful of a dozen or so Chapters which we can say were at this or that battle, took part in this or that Crusade, and did this or that notable event... but of those events we often know very little, and in some cases we have only a name of a battle or a Crusade to go on.

I don't think we know enough about the majority of Chapters, other than the First and Second Founding ones, in the main, to say with certainty whether it works one way or the other.

I further think the line about the Ecclesiarchy being banned from SM homeworlds can only logically apply to those Chapters founded prior to the Age of Apostasy. After that? The Imperium would have held that world for too long for it to *not* have an Ecclesiarchal presence.

Unless you think the Imperium is going to find/capture/colonize a planet in, say, M38 and never send the Ecclesiarchy to it because it might become a Space Marine Homeworld in M41? That doesn't make any sense.

I think the fluff does not support your view.

This transmission is over.

 Psienesis wrote:
I don't think I'm wrong, I think my opinion is simply different than yours.

If we want to talk specifically about First and Second-Founding Chapters, sure, definitely the minority.

The remaining 24 Foundings? Probably not. It simply doesn't add up, or requires some serious twisting of time to permit a Chapter to recruit from a world with no Ecclesiarchal presence, especially if one considers the Foundings since the Age of Apostasy.
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Unless you think the Imperium is going to find/capture/colonize a planet in, say, M38 and never send the Ecclesiarchy to it because it might become a Space Marine Homeworld in M41? That doesn't make any sense.

All aspirants are hypno indoctrinated. And doctrines are either Crusade-era or were formulated by"founders" and first officers of new chapter who were ...tum-de-tum... Marines from older chapters. So "He is not God but Greatest of Man" can even be part of making aspirants feel special, of rising 'em above the unenightened flock as they're "strong enough".
This is their link up to Primarchs and original Legions. While chapters which interact less that DA/BA or UM / IFs descendants are potentially prone to losing this "greatest of Man but not god" attitude, they're minority.