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WWX might work ok'ish if you put them on 1.5mm flat bases. The WWX dude in the shot is actually double based, since it looks like a standard 25mm on top of a 30mm base. Its really the bases that tend to skew terrain anyways, even more if they're scenit which adds more height. I wish it was slightly larger myself, but it looks like the die is cast in that department.

The timeframe makes more sense given that you secured a manufacturing slot, but I still think its pretty optimistic to expect to have them delivered in January of next year. The logisitcs involved might be more complicated than you think just in fulfilling that many individual orders. Still, its $35 for a lot of value oriented terrain, which is a bargain even if people feel its a bit of a gamble. That's what crowdfunding is at its core. I'm actually worried you arent charging enough for this really, so hopefully you;ve done the math. Anyways, good luck! I'll be in before the end of the campaign (just need to take care of Christmas shopping first). Stupid family and all, wanting things!

Absolutely love the buildings and I'm super lazy about building terrain...this looks perfect for me.

On a somewhat related note...it seems that a bunch of old west scale experts are perusing this thread so I might as well ask...how do the reaper old west mini's scale with the rest of the bunch?

 Tronbot2600 wrote:
Absolutely love the buildings and I'm super lazy about building terrain...this looks perfect for me.

On a somewhat related note...it seems that a bunch of old west scale experts are perusing this thread so I might as well ask...how do the reaper old west mini's scale with the rest of the bunch?

That's sort of hard to say, really. Reaper has sculpts from a lot of different artists, and no wild west range, per se. Reaper does have the Savage Worlds range which is essentially Deadlands, and a smattering of cowboys and whatnot in the Chronoscope range.

Those models are pretty well mid-range 28mm. A single sculptor does the Savage World models, Bob Ridolphi, so there is consistency there, though I am not a fan of his style. In any case, his models are generally a bit less "heroic" than, say Artizan or Warlord. They tend to be a bit lanky, but otherwise scale well with other 28mm models. Reaper also makes a good product, but does not have the depth to support a proper wild west game. If you are looking to supplement a collection with a model that you particularly like from Reaper, you should be fine if you are using 28mm models, though it could look a bit on the wee side next to a Malifaux model, but not by much.

 Tronbot2600 wrote:
Absolutely love the buildings and I'm super lazy about building terrain...this looks perfect for me.

On a somewhat related note...it seems that a bunch of old west scale experts are perusing this thread so I might as well ask...how do the reaper old west mini's scale with the rest of the bunch?

If your familiar with other miniature games; look at the end of my vid. The gunslinger is from Reapers Cowboy and Gunslinger box set. Standing next to it is a Malifaux mini (notice though I used one on a base insert so its around 2mm taller then normal) and a Privateer Press mini.

But as weeble1000 mentioned, Reaper minis really do vary; especially in female minis.


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In any case, I heartily support PB Terrain's goal of bringing production in house in the US. That's a big plus from my perspective, as I A) think democratizing production in our industry is a very good thing and B) prefer to buy products made in the good ol' US of A.

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This is one thing I will correct as I believe in transparency. . As noted on the funding page, I do indicate that for now they manufacturing will be done overseas (Asia.) It is just impossible to get an American company to cut and engrave close to same price. I will not be able to bring the whole process stateside unless hit a bonus goal and purchase machinery to cut the 3rd party out of the loop. Even then, the original panel will still come from Asia.

The upcoming Victorian Terrain (which I plan to make my main line) on the other hand, will be done exclusively in the US because not needing engraving. Though materials will still come from overseas.

Bolognesus wrote:
As to pricing etc. I share Weeble's concerns. I would strongly consider pledging here were it not for some apprehension as to the feasibility of actually delivering at this price point.
If you have it worked out, might I suggest you expound on this a little more? I understand there's potentially some sensitive information there, competition-wise, so feel free to keep a bit to yourself, but I'd argue that since you'll have a significant time-to-market advantage over your competition by now anyway that point is pretty much moot (and anyway, I don't want to be overly blunt here but if one business can figure it out, so can the next, generally speaking), so you're probably safe giving quite a few details. Your choice though, in the end.

I will say this much; the key is the balsa. By owning the raw balsa, then trading said raw balsa for a lesser amount of finished material, I am able to get it at price well below normal wholesale. Even normal wholesale vs retail prices of balsa is crazy. The retail price is because of loss due to the fragile nature of balsa sheets. If you've ever gone to a hobby shop to purchase, you undoubtedly noticed many sheets were broken. That loss is rolled into the retail price. Since I get the panels already laminated to a foam core, I dont have to deal with the fragility issue.

Okay, fair. Cutting out a few links from the chain can matter hugely, I understand that.
...and what's this about victorian terrain? Will that see another crowdfunding project with similar pricing?
Can you give an indication of how big a town level pledge would be to store/transport? (It's supposed to all break down to those panels which attach through magnets, right?)

Thanks

 Bolognesus wrote:
Okay, fair. Cutting out a few links from the chain can matter hugely, I understand that.
...and what's this about victorian terrain? Will that see another crowdfunding project with similar pricing?
Can you give an indication of how big a town level pledge would be to store/transport? (It's supposed to all break down to those panels which attach through magnets, right?)

Thanks

The longest solid panel comes in at 14.5 inches and there is 2 of them. Each panel is just a tad over 1/4 inch thick. Im not home right now so cant give accurate count of how many panels your looking at on a town. Will take look at the CAD summary when get home. Do keep in mind the outhouses are solid and not magnetized, wo will add a little to storage/transport but not much.

As for the Victorian... Im not ready to discuss the prices. At first I expected them to be a bit higher. But while working on a jail another Mali player requested, I came up with a idea that am currently testing that will cut prices significantly. So far the test is looking successful but I dont want to back myself into a hole yet by quoting prices.

On upside.. if there is another funding project for the line, I now know not to use flexible funding. I had no idea it would make people feel less secure. I just chose it because it allows credit card contributions (fixed doesnt) and was trying give contributors options.

Funny enough, if you start a second project after delivering on this one noone will care one bit anymore, I'm guessing

Here are the comparison shots. I had to wait until half time. Edit: Saints beat the Falcons, YAY!



From left to right there is Malifaux, Knuckleduster, Knuckleduster, Artizan, Artizan, Black Scorpion, Black Scorpion



This is a closer shot of just the unpainted models

Black Scorpion, Knuckleduster, Artizan, Malifaux



This is a Knuckeduster model between two Black Scorpion models. I must have bumped the bandito as the model is not exactly in line with the others, but I think this illustrates how even though there are some size differences (Knuckleduster is about a head to half a head shorter than Black Scorpion, sometimes less), the size difference doesn't really detract much on the table.

Thanks for those shots weeble. I got to pick the beared mini in the last pick. Im working on building myself a stage coach and he would be perfect for it. Which western rule set you prefer? Im looking for something that can be used for campaigns and not just one offs.

On a side note... for those waiting to see how far the funding goes, we have hit 50% in 4 days Im not so sure on the bonus goals but am confident for the initial.

PB Terrain wrote:
Thanks for those shots weeble. I got to pick the beared mini in the last pick. Im working on building myself a stage coach and he would be perfect for it. Which western rule set you prefer? Im looking for something that can be used for campaigns and not just one offs.

On a side note... for those waiting to see how far the funding goes, we have hit 50% in 4 days Im not so sure on the bonus goals but am confident for the initial.

I use my own rules at the moment, but The Rules With No Name is a good system, though dated. Gutshot is fast and fun, but has a few issues here and there. Gutshot is set up decently for campaign play being character-driven with some RPG elements. I've heard good things about Desperado too. BWG is fine as a skirmish wargame, but tends to lack a real wild west flavor.

Again, it all depends on what you want to do.

I wanted a game that was very character driven with the players playing cooperatively through narrative scenarios run by a game master (which I call the Governor), earning EXP, buying new equipment, learning skills, and so forth. I based my rules off of the core mechanics of Blackwater Gulch, because they had a nice symmetry: 6 Attributes, max 6 in an attribute, 6 character types, six-gun. Dice pools are pretty small, probabilities were relatively easy to calculate with few real dead spots, and the mechanics were pretty 'open' in the sense that there are a lot of ways to modify them to get what you are looking for. The rules also had an element of hand to hand combat that worked okay, which is something I wanted.

However, I had to do an extensive amount of work to get the system to a point where it could handle individual character growth over time. I also had to strip it way down and build it back up. BWG works okay if character stats are pretty flat. Gang leader, specialists, and goons versus gang leader, specialists, and goons. Gang leaders are X with a few tweaks one way or another, same for specialists and goons. Gangs are very similar, and the BWG rules didn't have to be very tight as a result.

My rules are still open to modifications, but after 5 game days and 20 scenarios played I think the rules are pretty solid. You are more than welcome to take a look them. Back in college I designed and ran a Wild West Fantasy Live-Action Role-Playing game, called Exiles. I ran it for about 6 years. I don't really have time to do stuff like that anymore, so what I did was create a miniatures version of the Exiles game, called (imaginatively) Exiles the Miniatures Game.

If you like Malifaux, Exiles may very well be your cup of tea, as it has elements of steam punk and Victorian horror. It is sort of like Brisco County Jr. meets Deadlands. EtMG is designed for for extensive, long-term campaign play, but like I said, it is intensely character-driven. Each player ostensibly controls a single character (though a single player can run more than one character just fine), and like an RPG, the game can be a little tough with a small party of characters. I also write up all of my scenarios, so I have a passel in the can already.

Id love to get a look at them. Would save me lot time writing from scratch.

PB Terrain wrote:
Id love to get a look at them. Would save me lot time writing from scratch.

I sent you a PM. Let me know if you have any questions.

Whitewash City has a pretty comprehensive list of wild west games.

This just got funded. There's also a $60 paddle boat they've added as an option:

Anyone know how you add to a pledge on indiegogo? It doesn't seem to register the initial contribution (although it is there as you pay via paypal immediately)..

Just make another pledge with what you want to add I think.

Just backed this. At first, it hit the "too good to be true" warning buzzers in my head, but after reading all the posts here and on the Wyrd forums, I think that this is legit and is right up my alley (and in my budget). Can't wait to see the finished product and get some games in!

This is beautiful, and practical. Gonna try to convince my family that we should back this one at the $100 mark. I can see this making great Ariadna terrain for Infinity. Some of it will also work fine for 40K (there are plenty of less technologically advanced planets out there) and even for a fantasy setting. Lovely work. Really looking forward to your next projects, too!

130% funded with 20 hours to go

Well congratulations. I'll have to pass on this at the moment, but I'll keep an eye out for a retail release. If I backed another crowdfunding project I think I would get smothered in my sleep! Discretion is the better part of marriage.

I'm still out of cash, but I'm hoping you can get that steam ship made.. I need one

One of the guys in my club backed this.. I am stoked for it!

-P

 Necros wrote:
I'm still out of cash, but I'm hoping you can get that steam ship made.. I need one

I know what you mean. I'm not sure how I lived my life up to this point without one.

I'm in at $35. I wish I had the cash for more.

Also in at $35 plus shipping.

I was weighing the "amazing-looking deal" and "that's too good to be true!" debate, but finally broke down and jumped in for $100. I'd love to get the river boat as well, but just can't swing that right now.

Really hoping this one delivers!

Valete,

JohnS

3 hours left. $20,000 stretch goal is unlikely, but still possible. Regardless, it's tons of terrain for the money.

A bit of Threadomancy, but for those who are in the Po Boys Indiegogo campaign and hoping for their terrain, some news cut from the "official" Facebook page for Po Boys:

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For those that don't have FB

As promised-

I am about to give more personal information than Damian would approve. I consider the information owed to supporters. You should be aware of the full situation so that have a more clear understanding.

On the 13th of March Damian was hospitalized for the return of a medical issue previously considered in remission. Today he had surgery to remove part of his stomach and some surrounding lymph nodes. Reason I chose to wait an extra day to update was to see how the surgery went incase my response would differ.

I fully understand that health issues do not effect you or make having to wait for product any easier to accept. Only thing I can ask for is some understanding and patience. The project is not dead and packaging/shipment will resume as soon as recovery allows.

While I am not the one to make the decision; I personally doubt Po Boys Terrain will continue pass pledge fulfillment. It would be unlikely that health would allow the future plans to materialize. It is a shame because this venture was to be his legacy to be remembered by.

More updates will be made when more information is available.

Tre
PB-Admin
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Don't know exactly what that means, especially on the heels of Po Boys' previous fulfillment issues, but it can't be good on a couple of levels...

Valtete,

JohnS