Which faction is the arch-nemesis for yours?

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**ThunderFury 2575**

Not particularly a fan of Chaos marines, i fight them most often, and i always have opponents with the bloody turkey of doom

**zilka86**

My brothers orks

**3orangewhips**

Games Workshop.

**ductvader**

Monoslaanesh Daemons.

I play Pure GKs and Eldar.

My Tyranids...Guard, more biomass for the devourer.

**soomemafia**

I believe that for both of my armies the answer is same:
Chaos.

My armies are Blood Angels (CSM) and Eldar (Chaos Daemons of Slaanesh).

Or technically... it could be Necrons with Eldar... I mean, killing them is the reason of their existence, right?

**Purifier**

shamroll wrote:
Sisters of Battle. I have the lowest win rate against them. I hate those exorcists!! D6 S8 AP1 missiles with a 45" range is rough but then against 3 of them sitting in the back with AV13 on the front and a 6++ is super annoying. My Tyranid MC's just melt away against that kind of fire and I don't have anything long range enough to take them out. My HH army has also had a lot of trouble against them too.

48", but since nothing has 45 I'm gonna assume that 5 was a typo.
What really makes it harsh is that we can easily field another 4-6 immolators in an 1800~ game to give you a serious threat rolling down your throat to focus while the exorcists do their job.

My last game I had the luck of Donald Duck though. My exorcists only got more than 3 shots once in the game, and on my single 6-shot barrage I rolled

and a pair of twos for hits.

Personally, my nemesis is the thousand sons. My own fluff.

**SYKOJAK**

In my group MEQ have become the rage. With a player for each of the following factions: Salamanders, Vanilla Marines, Grey Knights, Blood Angels, and Black Legion. That accounts for over half of the group. But it is nothing that a squadron of Leman Russ Executioners can not handle.

**techsoldaten**

Tau. Even before 6th edition I had a lot of trouble with them. Something about all the long range guns just screws me up, it's hard getting shot by something where you can't shoot back.

**MWHistorian**

Troike wrote:
Word Bearers, of course. Fanatical zealots just like the Sisters, only on the side of Chaos. Needless to say, the Word Bearers and the Ecclesiarchy would have a very strong, mutual hatred, so there's plenty of bad blood between the two. The Sisters themselves would have a special hatred for the Word Bearers, what with their goal of spreading heresy wherever they can.

I also like that the Sisters are essentially the Word Bearers, just at the right point in time. In 40K's present, Lorgar would have been regarded as a saint and a hero if he started doing what he did back before the Horus Heresy, but it was the Sisters who secured the role of the Imperium's elite holy warriors. I imagine that the Word Bearers would see something of themselves in the Sisters, a reflection of what they once were.

Edit: Oh, more specifically, my own custom Order's history has them fighting a major battle with the Word Bearers.

This.
After a long absence my brother came back to 40k and started a Word Bearer army. As we discussed our armies we realized that they were perfect mirrors of each other doctrine wise. Heck, Lorgar wrote their book! (A fact he won't let me forget.) So, when I wrote my SOB fiction, I had to have some Sister vs Word bearer trash talk. But my Imperial Fist army tactics wise mirrors his Word Bearers and my Sisters mirror his traitor guard tactics wise. Maybe there is something to be said with this twin stuff.

But outside of that: Necrons. For some reason I just have the hardest time beating them out of anyone.

**Kelly502**

The zenos, the heretic...

**rohansoldier**

Fluff wise, my Eldar and Chaos armies are the nemeses' of eachother (not Slaaneshi CSM, but still Chaos).

On the tabletop, I wouldn't say there is a particular army I struggle with, but horde orks and Tau are always a challenge (seperately, not allied).

**riburn3**

Marines of any flavor (Chaos or Vanilla or Chapters). While I like the fluff, I hate how common they are on the battle field. Space Marines of some variety make up 6 out of the 15 available armies, and in the actual meta easily over half of the armies you typically face in a tournament. For being so rare and elite in the fluff, there sure are a lot of them out there. Probably one of the reasons I prefer Fantasy more at this point.

**Purifier**

riburn3 wrote:
Marines of any flavor (Chaos or Vanilla or Chapters). While I like the fluff, I hate how common they are on the battle field. Space Marines of some variety make up 6 out of the 15 available armies, and in the actual meta easily over half of the armies you typically face in a tournament. For being so rare and elite in the fluff, there sure are a lot of them out there. Probably one of the reasons I prefer Fantasy more at this point.

One could argue that they are not common, the lore is just focused on them. Sort of like how the predator movie has only one predator on earth, yet he makes up nearly half the appearances in the movie! That doesn't mean that there are 6 billion of them to even out our 6 billion, just that it's practically just him and Arnold that are the major players in the movie. And the WH40k lore is quite a lot like a movie, with major players taking larger parts.

**Johnson101**

Tyranids; they are the bane of the Imperial Guard

**Selym**

Purifier wrote:
riburn3 wrote:
Marines of any flavor (Chaos or Vanilla or Chapters). While I like the fluff, I hate how common they are on the battle field. Space Marines of some variety make up 6 out of the 15 available armies, and in the actual meta easily over half of the armies you typically face in a tournament. For being so rare and elite in the fluff, there sure are a lot of them out there. Probably one of the reasons I prefer Fantasy more at this point.

One could argue that they are not common, the lore is just focused on them. Sort of like how the predator movie has only one predator on earth, yet he makes up nearly half the appearances in the movie! That doesn't mean that there are 6 billion of them to even out our 6 billion, just that it's practically just him and Arnold that are the major players in the movie. And the WH40k lore is quite a lot like a movie, with major players taking larger parts.

I think he's pointing out that SM armies should not be such a common enemy in Wh40k games. If you're fighting with some kind of "narrative", such like GW wants us to, it's pretty annoying to have your army's history look like this:

Ultramarines Battle Log:
-Pwnt some Orks
-Lost to some Salamanders
-Killed some BA
-Killed some BT
-Lost to some other Ultramarines
-Fought the Black Legion - tie
-Lost to the Tau
-Lost to the Tau/Eldar alliance
-Killed some BT
-Killed some Ultramarines
-Killed some BT
-Almost fought some 'nids, but the Salamanders got there first.

**Purifier**

Selym wrote:
Purifier wrote:
riburn3 wrote:
Marines of any flavor (Chaos or Vanilla or Chapters). While I like the fluff, I hate how common they are on the battle field. Space Marines of some variety make up 6 out of the 15 available armies, and in the actual meta easily over half of the armies you typically face in a tournament. For being so rare and elite in the fluff, there sure are a lot of them out there. Probably one of the reasons I prefer Fantasy more at this point.

One could argue that they are not common, the lore is just focused on them. Sort of like how the predator movie has only one predator on earth, yet he makes up nearly half the appearances in the movie! That doesn't mean that there are 6 billion of them to even out our 6 billion, just that it's practically just him and Arnold that are the major players in the movie. And the WH40k lore is quite a lot like a movie, with major players taking larger parts.

I think he's pointing out that SM armies should not be such a common enemy in Wh40k games. If you're fighting with some kind of "narrative", such like GW wants us to, it's pretty annoying to have your army's history look like this:

Ultramarines Battle Log:
-Pwnt some Orks
-Lost to some Salamanders
-Killed some BA
-Killed some BT
-Lost to some other Ultramarines
-Fought the Black Legion - tie
-Lost to the Tau
-Lost to the Tau/Eldar alliance
-Killed some BT
-Killed some Ultramarines
-Killed some BT
-Almost fought some 'nids, but the Salamanders got there first.

Well, since your army is clearly an elite army, it'll be sent to take care of elite threats. Plus, there could have been any amount of small skirmishes or minor battles in between all those things even for your army. But more likely the smaller threats are fought off by less experienced commanders of some Guard army or other.

**WE Drake Man**

Fluff wise, both Guard and Space Marines, table top wise, Definitely Space Marines

**soomemafia**

riburn3 wrote:
Marines of any flavor (Chaos or Vanilla or Chapters). While I like the fluff, I hate how common they are on the battle field. Space Marines of some variety make up 6 out of the 15 available armies, and in the actual meta easily over half of the armies you typically face in a tournament. For being so rare and elite in the fluff, there sure are a lot of them out there. Probably one of the reasons I prefer Fantasy more at this point.

Funny. At my local GW there is single SM player and two guys playing BA (me being one of them). That's all.
The most common army might be Eldar or surprisingly IG.

**dementedwombat**

Dark Eldar...the pointy headed little buggers put out enough shots to make my fire warriors jealous, and they can still rip your face off in close combat. Plus something about their legions of paper airplane transports just annoy me.

It's enough to make me put railguns on my broadsides whenever I think I might go up against them.

**Ascalam**

Necrons for me.

Especially with my orks.

MSS are nasty on my nobz/warbosses etc because they come with a PK as a rule, but no way to save against it when it's turned on them.

Plus MSS is just a fun-killing piece of wargear anyway

Bah!

Not a huge fan of IG or Tau gunline either

**Selym**

Purifier wrote:
Selym wrote:
Purifier wrote:
riburn3 wrote:
Marines of any flavor (Chaos or Vanilla or Chapters). While I like the fluff, I hate how common they are on the battle field. Space Marines of some variety make up 6 out of the 15 available armies, and in the actual meta easily over half of the armies you typically face in a tournament. For being so rare and elite in the fluff, there sure are a lot of them out there. Probably one of the reasons I prefer Fantasy more at this point.

One could argue that they are not common, the lore is just focused on them. Sort of like how the predator movie has only one predator on earth, yet he makes up nearly half the appearances in the movie! That doesn't mean that there are 6 billion of them to even out our 6 billion, just that it's practically just him and Arnold that are the major players in the movie. And the WH40k lore is quite a lot like a movie, with major players taking larger parts.

I think he's pointing out that SM armies should not be such a common enemy in Wh40k games. If you're fighting with some kind of "narrative", such like GW wants us to, it's pretty annoying to have your army's history look like this:

Ultramarines Battle Log:
-Pwnt some Orks
-Lost to some Salamanders
-Killed some BA
-Killed some BT
-Lost to some other Ultramarines
-Fought the Black Legion - tie
-Lost to the Tau
-Lost to the Tau/Eldar alliance
-Killed some BT
-Killed some Ultramarines
-Killed some BT
-Almost fought some 'nids, but the Salamanders got there first.

Well, since your army is clearly an elite army, it'll be sent to take care of elite threats. Plus, there could have been any amount of small skirmishes or minor battles in between all those things even for your army. But more likely the smaller threats are fought off by less experienced commanders of some Guard army or other.

Apart from the fact that I could change the name of the player's army form Ultramarines to Tau, and this would be exactly the same.
I used UM as an example because that makes the list a total fluff heresy.

**Nevelon**

As an Ultramarine player, I'm going with Nids from a fluff POV. Battle of Macragge, etc.

From an tabletop standpoint, I don't really have a nemesis. A handful of friendly rivalries, yes. But there is no faction I really hate. In terms of who I like to fight, It's Chaos > Xenos > Imperial factions. But that's for fluff and watching battles unfold.

**Purifier**

Selym wrote:
Purifier wrote:
Selym wrote:
Purifier wrote:
riburn3 wrote:
Marines of any flavor (Chaos or Vanilla or Chapters). While I like the fluff, I hate how common they are on the battle field. Space Marines of some variety make up 6 out of the 15 available armies, and in the actual meta easily over half of the armies you typically face in a tournament. For being so rare and elite in the fluff, there sure are a lot of them out there. Probably one of the reasons I prefer Fantasy more at this point.

One could argue that they are not common, the lore is just focused on them. Sort of like how the predator movie has only one predator on earth, yet he makes up nearly half the appearances in the movie! That doesn't mean that there are 6 billion of them to even out our 6 billion, just that it's practically just him and Arnold that are the major players in the movie. And the WH40k lore is quite a lot like a movie, with major players taking larger parts.

I think he's pointing out that SM armies should not be such a common enemy in Wh40k games. If you're fighting with some kind of "narrative", such like GW wants us to, it's pretty annoying to have your army's history look like this:

Ultramarines Battle Log:
-Pwnt some Orks
-Lost to some Salamanders
-Killed some BA
-Killed some BT
-Lost to some other Ultramarines
-Fought the Black Legion - tie
-Lost to the Tau
-Lost to the Tau/Eldar alliance
-Killed some BT
-Killed some Ultramarines
-Killed some BT
-Almost fought some 'nids, but the Salamanders got there first.

Well, since your army is clearly an elite army, it'll be sent to take care of elite threats. Plus, there could have been any amount of small skirmishes or minor battles in between all those things even for your army. But more likely the smaller threats are fought off by less experienced commanders of some Guard army or other.
Apart from the fact that I could change the name of the player's army form Ultramarines to Tau, and this would be exactly the same.
I used UM as an example because that makes the list a total fluff heresy.

And if you changed it to anything else my response would be exactly the same. Clearly your army is an elite army. Even the Guard armies people play are clearly not run of the mill Guard. This is an army that has veterans and a good amount of armoured support. Not just some backwater planet's militia. And if it is, they are holding their own against elite armies, so they're not trash.

Every player plays an army that is better than average. You say you don't hear of the terrible ones? Well why would you? Armies are destroyed every day in the 41st millenia. You get your **** together or you get destroyed. Your army is surviving, so it's not just runts.
Fluff heresy? Not at all. Ultramarines killing other Ultras? Heretics, maybe? Maybe one of the factions decided to support a planet that was opening up for negotiations with the Tau water caste. Traitors, clearly. Cleanse them from our ranks.

The fluff of 40k is set on such an enormous stage that anything can fit. I believe this is intentional. You just have to let your imagination fill in the blanks.

**Farseer Faenyin**

Slaanesh is obviously the arch nemsis of my Eldar faction. It's even a rule!

**Nevelon**

I tend to view fighting against other marines (particularly fellow Ultras) as training exercises. Unless they are traitor and/or heretics. Then It's them getting purged. But you have to remember that marines train hard. If you aren't taking casualties in a training exercise, you are not training hard enough. Just because you remove something from the table, does not mean it's dead. Marines can live though a lot.

**Purifier**

Nevelon wrote:
I tend to view fighting against other marines (particularly fellow Ultras) as training exercises. Unless they are traitor and/or heretics. Then It's them getting purged. But you have to remember that marines train hard. If you aren't taking casualties in a training exercise, you are not training hard enough. Just because you remove something from the table, does not mean it's dead. Marines can live though a lot.

Good point

**Troike**

MWHistorian wrote:
Heck, Lorgar wrote their book!

Actually, likely not the case. To quote Lynata from an earlier thread:

Lynata wrote:
Cults worshipping the Emperor as a god sprang up all across the Imperium - without any connection to each other (and thus a certain book that Lorgar supposedly wrote) whatsoever, evidenced by the simple fact that they all followed different religious doctrines and dogma. Hence the holy wars, during which the various movements clashed with one another, either eradicating or absorbing what, in their eyes, was a bunch of heretics. The winner of this was the Temple of The Saviour Emperor, started on Terra by a man named Fatidicus, who was originally an officer of the military serving in the defence of the Imperial Palace. The Temple having the backing of the military as well as being centred on Terra itself was a huge boost to its influence, explaining how it was able to simply overpower rival religious groups.

Perhaps whatever Lorgar founded was amongst those rival groups, though I find it far more likely that these groups were eradicated by the Inquisition simply because that book was written by a traitor. And I highly doubt that Lorgar was so unselfish that he forgot to put his name on the cover - especially considering how his name would have helped spreading it before the Heresy.[...]

The Temple of the Saviour Emperor was not founded until after the Horus Heresy, though. Your suggestion would necessitate that Fatidicus willingly adopted the beliefs of a known traitor to the Emperor, at a point in time at which the Emperor was already dead.
Does not compute.

I mean, I guess that Lorgar's beliefs could have got mixed into the greater melting pot at some point, but I highly doubt that he created their whole religion.

**IHateNids**

My Crons:
Fluff-wise: Eldar of both varieties
Tabletop: see my name

My Marines:
Fluff-wise: Chaos Marines
Tabletop: My mate's Chaos Marines... seeing as how they are the only ones Ive fought any number of times

**Musashi363**

Lorgar did write the Lectio Divinatus, which seems to have formed some, if not the majority of ecchlesiarcy beliefs. The Lectio Divinatus was circulated through the imperium in secret and his name was not on it.

**MWHistorian**

As a Sisters of Battle player, I actually love fighting other Imperial forces.