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 tommse wrote:
Just in general, what do other armys fear when facing C:SM?

The sad look in the marine player's eyes when he realizes the rules do not equal the fluff.....

In 5th pretty much the only thing that was scary, and rightfully so was Hammernators/Lysander, but nowadays few people take them and they're pretty naff so there's pretty much nothing that's scary. The Space Marine book is naff and uninspiring like that.

People arnt scared of space marines at all

When new people in my local ask me for a game and they ask what I am playing if I have brought my ultramarines there faces light up with glee at a guaranteed victory ( sadly rarely happens for them)

But when I bring my tau their face sinks and I get the generic question that's asked every time "how many riptides have you got"

Marines are still pretty good especially with a good general and a well thought out army list

I did at one point last year have a slum where i could not defeat a nid player with my marines, however with the new book and more knowledge of 6th edition i am out of that slump.


The marine codex is actually one of the most well done ones in the game with a variety of viable units in every force org section. People that say its uninspired and weak really have no clue.

Its possible to make like 12 different lists that are all viable (not necessarily super strong) for tournament play. Especially with an ally or 2 thrown in.

LOL. Stormravens. The flyer than can't hold the Helldrake's jock strap in terms of ground support.


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 Solosam47 wrote:
In general I think its cause they are so middle of the road, they dont shine in any one given spot, but do them all well so that leaves few gaps to exploit when facing them

Other than lack of bodies and lack of firepower. Other than that, no, nothing to exploit at all. All those wins with my BA are just my imagination. Granted, C:SM fields more bodies than BA, but I'm actually able to move and *live* and kill my opponent's models against C:SM, as opposed to Tau/Eldar/Daemons. The jetseer council mocks my BA.

Hammernators, and anything else with Storm shields.

westiebestie wrote:
Hammernators, and anything else with Storm shields.

Why?

I would say Grav guns.

Now grav guns are pretty nasty. But they are not as crazy as they first seem against regular meqs that have a little cover. They are utterly devastating to units relying on a 2+ save, though.

Such as grav cents ironically.

Poly Ranger wrote:
Such as grav cents ironically.

Indeed. Grav cents are too fragile for my taste in comparison to their points cost, but they do pack a helluva punch.

Other than lack of bodies and lack of firepower. Other than that, no, nothing to exploit at all. All those wins with my BA are just my imagination. Granted, C:SM fields more bodies than BA, but I'm actually able to move and *live* and kill my opponent's models against C:SM, as opposed to Tau/Eldar/Daemons. The jetseer council mocks my BA.

strangely enough, I've actually had more wins with my old space marines (5th .ed) than 6th ed tau

Martel732 wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:
Such as grav cents ironically.

Indeed. Grav cents are too fragile for my taste in comparison to their points cost, but they do pack a helluva punch.

This is why you buff them with tigarus and watch your opponent try to destroy them until they realise they are just a distraction ( althought very effective) for the rest of the army

brother marcus wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:
Such as grav cents ironically.

Indeed. Grav cents are too fragile for my taste in comparison to their points cost, but they do pack a helluva punch.

This is why you buff them with tigarus and watch your opponent try to destroy them until they realise they are just a distraction ( althought very effective) for the rest of the army

Most opponents have plenty of time to shoot your army while the grav cents waddle into range. I prefer them air-dropped and keep them as cheap as possible to get more marines.


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 Solosam47 wrote:


Other than lack of bodies and lack of firepower. Other than that, no, nothing to exploit at all. All those wins with my BA are just my imagination. Granted, C:SM fields more bodies than BA, but I'm actually able to move and *live* and kill my opponent's models against C:SM, as opposed to Tau/Eldar/Daemons. The jetseer council mocks my BA.

"Woah, watch for ol martel! He a good player massa!

Im not saying they stomp face am I? I not once said they win every game and have auto win units/formations like Tau/Eldar/Daemons that most players flock to when they play those armies, I am saying that the trouble that comes when the majority of players (face it the majority isnt super at playing the game) comes from the space marines being very middle of the road and not having the glaring weak points of other armies. If your comment was just a way to let everyone else on this thread know that you win with BA then wow cool story bro, hold on to that! Most of people who still play BA pull off wins cause the general community of players are average and when the internet deems an are poor not many people tend to play them which allows for no one knowing what to do against them. So now, go ahead and make your witty reply about how everything I just stated isnt viable and that im a hack or something.... please go ahead.

What I dislike when people (especially non-marine players) talk about grav like it's anywhere near as good as the top 3 armies is that grav weaponry is either pistol (useless), gun (bike army only, which has its own problems), or cannon (overpriced).

If grav guns did not have such pitiful salvo range they'd be pretty good.

Chapter Masters can get pretty nasty to

Grav is to be respected, but it can be gamed against and handled. I have done it with BA.

You can't get away from Serpents or Jet Seers. You can't get away from Riptides. You can't get cover. You can't kill them.

Yeah! Grav makes everything better!

Tfc and Tigurius. A single tfc ruins my footslogging boyz to the point of not being useful at all. I mean a single 100 pts model that also improves cover for free ruins like 2 30-strong futslogging squads that cost 240 each. And i have no means to deal with it as a footslogging ork. The only way is just to go heavy on nob bikers or battlewagon spam and just ignore it for the first part of the game.
And Tigurius is cheap, reliable and awesome.

I recently started playing and I picked SM's. Seems to me the thing most people are afraid of when facing SM's is losing to them. I guess its embarrassing to lose to a SM army.

TFCs are about it, nothing else is really too extravigant

 obsidiankatana wrote:

Imnewherewheresthebathroom wrote:
Every codex does it better

If every codex had land raiders... yeah, they'd probably all do it better.

Though DA have the most unkillable land raiders. Which hardly matters when C:=][= drops down five of them at 1500.

Chaos space marine land raiders dont do it better.

As xenos, thunderfire cannons. Easily my least favourite thing ever when my Dark Eldar bump into one of those.

As my CSM, only thing I don't like seeing is a fully kitted out Libby, but that fear mostly stems from playing DA with access to divination.

I have never been afraid of coming against C:SM. They are the Jack of All trades Army and don't really excel at anything but aren't necessarily bad at anything either. What makes then tough is the general playing them. If you come up against a general who has taken a variety of units to well complement each other, that is when more than anything you just get really good games. I look forward to playing against sm. They aren't hard but if you make mistakes and the player commanding them knows what they are doing, they can and very much will punish you. However now they have White Scars biker grav gun force/ Centurion grav cannon epically upgraded with everything attached to a libby support. White Scars is without doubt a very competitive army right now and will be for a while, but are they invincible... naw... is it tough... Hell yea.... but you can win this match up you very much are in route to becoming a better general. Centurions are a solid unit but you can maneuver around them. You could move a unit so that only 1 can see and the others would have to move and if they move they half there range and now only 1 can shoot at you. If you have a fast army, you could play to the outer rims of the table and stay out of range and punish them with fire power until they fall and then move in. If you can get into assault with them they become borderline useless as they absolutely suck in close combat. Bikers while they have nice range and good movement distance can still be shot off their pedestals with enough str 5+ shooting. If you run grey knights like me if I ever catch them in assault well they are pretty much dead because hamme-rhand make me str 5 effectively negating their T5. All in all C:SM have gotten some nice additions but by no means are they a scary force to play to someone who knows their army inside and out (through much play-testing) or has a generally balanced list (I personally have play-tested my list about 12-14 times and have made every unit capable of dealing with any unit although of-course some units deal with targets easier, yet keeping a balanced approach) .

C:SM
Scary: No
Dangerous: Certainly so, totally dependent on the person playing it

Nothing in particular

That I will knock over and damage one of my models?

Apart from that SM are weak as hell mostly cos everyone writes lists against x will kill y space marines a turn.

I've just started playing though I've been an on/off collector.

TFCs are scary in 2s. In the games I've played and seen, grav bikers have been rather scary too. Tigurius is awesome, maybe because I like libbys and UM and he's their chief psyker.

Everything else is balanced quite well and nothing else seems overpowering.

I play UMs and the rest seem hits and misses.

 warpspider89 wrote:
Nothing in particular

Agreed. Regular SM armies never really pose much of a threat to me.

My target priority, depending upon what my opponent is fielding:

1. Thunderfire cannons
2. Centurions (shooting variant)
3. Devastators
4. Whatever else they might have brought.

Basically, anything with potentially long range firepower or that throws out pie plates.

That said, troops are always at the top of the list whenever they show their heads. You can't win most games when the troops are gone.

Unpainted models and Drop Pods. That's about it. Plasma drop Pods are one of my least favorite things. Not broken game-wise, I just hate them.

Normally I would elaborate but I find these top 3 to be pretty self-explanitory;

1. Thunderfire Cannons
2. Drop Pod Sternguard
3. Storm Talons (I don't have War Walkers to drown them in shots is why, if I did this would be a 2 bullet list)