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 Alexzandvar wrote:
Didn't mean to offend, the funny part was explaining watching a video of that nature, not the video itself.

Ah well comedy is just tragedy plus time I guess.

Reminds me of the time some guy crashed his motorcycle on my street and bled out for 10 minutes before an ambulance arrived.

Nobody went out to help?

some pigs are more equal then others,

remember, the future is one big boot stomping on the face of humanity for all eternity.


frikken sickening what police gangs can get away with.

Relapse wrote:
The video, for the first 15 minutes or so is Thomas sitting on the ground, as directed, and being harrased by a power tripping cop who easily has over 100 pounds on him. The cop then announces he is going to feth Thomas up and Thomas takes off running. The next 16 minutes or so are of the cops beating him to death as he lays face down, unable to move, screaming he was sorry and then calling for his father as he goes unconcious.

It makes me feel actually sick. And I've usually got a strong stomach.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Alexzandvar wrote:
Didn't mean to offend, the funny part was explaining watching a video of that nature, not the video itself.

Ah well comedy is just tragedy plus time I guess.

Reminds me of the time some guy crashed his motorcycle on my street and bled out for 10 minutes before an ambulance arrived.

Nobody went out to help?

People walked by, but from their point of view, it was probably just some crack addict that had gone nuts and the cops were subduing him.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Alexzandvar wrote:
Didn't mean to offend, the funny part was explaining watching a video of that nature, not the video itself.

Ah well comedy is just tragedy plus time I guess.

Reminds me of the time some guy crashed his motorcycle on my street and bled out for 10 minutes before an ambulance arrived.

Nobody went out to help?

no one ever helps (99% of the time)

I have seen or hear 1st hand stories from people who expeienced the crime, of car crashes, people getting beaten, mugged, raped, all with bystanders just gawking, people will take pictures and LAUGH before they even call the cops, let alone pysically help. Even more so if its the cops doing it, as even if you are 100% right in helping that man, you WILL be charged/arrested/ect if you arnt beaten/killed yourself.

I once tried to save a guy who was getting curb stomped at a bus stop, and I literally had to yell at the people taking pictures before they would stop taking pics and call an ambulance.

last arrest I made I had to also scream at gawkers several times to call back up... but thats another story for another day..point is

no one wants to get involved, our sociaty does not encourage heros either.

Here's a laugh. In this article, the Fullerton chief asks people to be "respectful" in stating their opinions on the case:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/14/kelly-thomas-trial-officers-acquitted-in-homeless-man-death/



"After the verdicts, Fullerton Police Chief Dan Hughes issued a statement urging people to express their feelings "respectfully."

I was just asking about the motorcycle crash but thanks for some more light on how useless a lot of people are nowadays. More interested in twittering and instagraming what is happening than actually helping people in need. :(

 easysauce wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Alexzandvar wrote:
Didn't mean to offend, the funny part was explaining watching a video of that nature, not the video itself.

Ah well comedy is just tragedy plus time I guess.

Reminds me of the time some guy crashed his motorcycle on my street and bled out for 10 minutes before an ambulance arrived.

Nobody went out to help?

no one ever helps (99% of the time)

I have seen or hear 1st hand stories from people who expeienced the crime, of car crashes, people getting beaten, mugged, raped, all with bystanders just gawking, people will take pictures and LAUGH before they even call the cops, let alone pysically help.

Pictures while it is happening are unreedemable, not calling the cops even more so.
But OT: Seeing a bit of the video, yeah it is disgusting and not right. I retract my previous comments.

This case turns my stomach.

This quote from Frazzled's article just blows my mind:

"Police officers are very unusual kinds of defendants because ... they are seen as acting not in their own interests but acting to protect the public at large, the very people sitting on their jury," Rosenthal said.

Jurors are willing to forgive lapses in judgment rather than put an officer "in the cage with the same people that officer has spent his life arresting," he said.

"Lapses in judgement". What a nice way to phrase methodically beating someone to death. And so, what? Because police put people in jail we cannot hold police accountable for their actions even if those actions warrant putting those very same police in jail with other criminals?

I feel like I am taking crazy pills here. How is this acceptable?

Maybe it was jury composition. Maybe it was full of people who often agree with cops on things.

The DA tried the case himself (according to the OP article he hasn't tried a case since 1999). I'm digging but I don't buy for five seconds that the DA didn't screw the case over by trying to turn tragedy into a political platform.

I think there must be something seriously wrong with you if you film a situation that you could help in but choose not to.

Obviously some situations are beyond help, the murder of Lee Rigby for example or a serious assault by multiple individuals, but somebody lying in the street and dying... man that's cold

The cheek that Police Chief has in asking for respect when his officers have gotten away with beating to death a mentally ill man is incomprehensible. Why don't they show some respect and keep quiet?

Will these guys get to return to work? If they do I really hope they get what they deserve during their continued service "In the line of duty".

Will these guys get to return to work?

They've all been let go. The situation was so harsh that half the city council got voted out of office in a recall election. At the very least people in that area realize how terrible this was.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I think there must be something seriously wrong with you if you film a situation that you could help in but choose not to.

Obviously some situations are beyond help, the murder of Lee Rigby for example or a serious assault by multiple individuals, but somebody lying in the street and dying... man that's cold

The cheek that Police Chief has in asking for respect when his officers have gotten away with beating to death a mentally ill man is incomprehensible. Why don't they show some respect and keep quiet?

Will these guys get to return to work? If they do I really hope they get what they deserve during their continued service "In the line of duty".

That chief is just pissing into the wind by saying something outrageous like that. At least I'm glad I live in Utah, where we are trying to help the homeless in a big way.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I think there must be something seriously wrong with you if you film a situation that you could help in but choose not to.

Obviously some situations are beyond help, the murder of Lee Rigby for example or a serious assault by multiple individuals, but somebody lying in the street and dying... man that's cold

I agree with your sentiment 100%, but the police over here in California are fething scary.

Last February when Christopher Dorner had the LAPD by the short-hairs for a week, police opened fire on two separate vehicles with occupants inside that did not even remotely match the description of Dorner. Because, emotions.

In all likelihood anyone who tried to intervene in Mr. Thomas' situation would end up equally dead, maybe beaten, or at best arrested with some false, trumped up charges.

Many of the police and sheriffs over here are like gangs unto themselves.

N.W.A. had it right.

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
I think there must be something seriously wrong with you if you film a situation that you could help in but choose not to.

Obviously some situations are beyond help, the murder of Lee Rigby for example or a serious assault by multiple individuals, but somebody lying in the street and dying... man that's cold

I agree with your sentiment 100%, but the police over here in California are fething scary.

Last February when Christopher Dorner had the LAPD by the short-hairs for a week, police opened fire on two separate vehicles with occupants inside that did not even remotely match the description of Dorner. Because, emotions.

In all likelihood anyone who tried to intervene in Mr. Thomas' situation would end up equally dead, maybe beaten, or at best arrested with some false, trumped up charges.

Many of the police and sheriffs over here are like gangs unto themselves.

N.W.A. had it right.

Undoubtably.

I was more generally replying to a poster that was mentioning about a motorcyclist lying in their street and how it appeared that nobody went to his help before the ambulance arrived.

Getting involved in Police business is never a good idea.

Could you legally shoot a Police Officer if he was acting in a manor that was not lawful? For example if you found police beating somebody to death and you shot them would that carry any weight? Has that ever happened?

Also just saw some hospital pictures of the victim. Not nice at all. Completely unrecognisable.

 Medium of Death wrote:

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
I think there must be something seriously wrong with you if you film a situation that you could help in but choose not to.

Obviously some situations are beyond help, the murder of Lee Rigby for example or a serious assault by multiple individuals, but somebody lying in the street and dying... man that's cold

I agree with your sentiment 100%, but the police over here in California are fething scary.

Last February when Christopher Dorner had the LAPD by the short-hairs for a week, police opened fire on two separate vehicles with occupants inside that did not even remotely match the description of Dorner. Because, emotions.

In all likelihood anyone who tried to intervene in Mr. Thomas' situation would end up equally dead, maybe beaten, or at best arrested with some false, trumped up charges.

Many of the police and sheriffs over here are like gangs unto themselves.

N.W.A. had it right.

Undoubtably.

I was more generally replying to a poster that was mentioning about a motorcyclist lying in their street and how it appeared that nobody went to his help before the ambulance arrived.

Getting involved in Police business is never a good idea.

Could you legally shoot a Police Officer if he was acting in a manor that was not lawful? For example if you found police beating somebody to death and you shot them would that carry any weight? Has that ever happened?

Also just saw some hospital pictures of the victim. Not nice at all. Completely unrecognisable.

I doubt it. You probably wouldn't survive to get to testify in a trial in some places. "Suicide in their cell" or something like that.

You could attempt a citizens arrest if you see them breaking the law.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I was more generally replying to a poster that was mentioning about a motorcyclist lying in their street and how it appeared that nobody went to his help before the ambulance arrived.

Were there a bunch of other people around? If so, it's not really the bystander's fault. They can't help the diffusion of responsibility they felt, even if later with perspective it seems "wrong".

 Medium of Death wrote:
Getting involved in Police business is never a good idea.

Could you legally shoot a Police Officer if he was acting in a manor that was not lawful? For example if you found police beating somebody to death and you shot them would that carry any weight?

I suppose it would be a handy point to bring up during the wrongful death lawsuit your family will file on your behalf, but you'll never know.

Honestly, I think shooting a cop will always go down badly for whoever shot them no matter the circumstance.

 Medium of Death wrote:


Undoubtably.

I was more generally replying to a poster that was mentioning about a motorcyclist lying in their street and how it appeared that nobody went to his help before the ambulance arrived.

Well, depending on the street, where he was laying and how busy the street is, that could be just as bad if a pedestrian went into a street like that.

Relapse wrote:
The video, for the first 15 minutes or so is Thomas sitting on the ground, as directed, and being harrased by a power tripping cop who easily has over 100 pounds on him. The cop then announces he is going to feth Thomas up and Thomas takes off running. The next 16 minutes or so are of the cops beating him to death as he lays face down, unable to move, screaming he was sorry and then calling for his father as he goes unconcious.

Thats pretty sucky.

 Frazzled wrote:

Relapse wrote:
The video, for the first 15 minutes or so is Thomas sitting on the ground, as directed, and being harrased by a power tripping cop who easily has over 100 pounds on him. The cop then announces he is going to feth Thomas up and Thomas takes off running. The next 16 minutes or so are of the cops beating him to death as he lays face down, unable to move, screaming he was sorry and then calling for his father as he goes unconcious.

Thats pretty sucky.

Even more so when you factor in that he only had the mental faculties of an 11 year old. He was well known to these cops, so they knew he wasn't all there, and they essentialy beat a child to death.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
It sounds like they did what they needed to subdue a man who was dangerous to others and himself. And it does not mean police can go around killing people

A cowboy at a rodeo can subdue a 500 to 600 pound live healthy moving cow and tie its legs with 5 feet of rope in under 30 seconds.

Half a dozen cops stand around, some watching, some participating, and beat a homeless man to death on the street while he cries out for his father.

They murdered him. Period.

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This just makes me sad man.. that video will haunt me.

Police being held to lower standards than other citizens. Isn't that backwards? If you're meant to be upholding the law shouldn't you be held to the highest standard of that law?

 Medium of Death wrote:
I think there must be something seriously wrong with you if you film a situation that you could help in but choose not to.

I'm not an expert, but my understanding is tha tit is mostly a coping mechanism as your mind can not actually comprehend what is happening. You start filming to distance yourself from the event and allow your brain the excuse to simply not believe what you are seeing is actually happening.

Edit: It is nice to think that I would jump in and help; but I'm almost 100% confident that I wouldn't. I would think up every reason imaginable for what I saw, except for what I was really seeing. Of course, everyone on Dakka also knows that I am a shell of a person and not that bright.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Police being held to lower standards than other citizens. Isn't that backwards? If you're meant to be upholding the law shouldn't you be held to the highest standard of that law?

Polive culture is....odd too say the least. Because of what they often go through, there often is a solidarity with other officers, even if they know they did something wrong. Because they often go through things other citizens cant dream of, people like to give them leeway.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Police being held to lower standards than other citizens. Isn't that backwards? If you're meant to be upholding the law shouldn't you be held to the highest standard of that law?

A person should be. Those willing to take on positions of authority have an obligation to be an example to the rest of us and demonstrate an ideal that we should try to live by. It is no surprise to me that we find ourselves as a country in our current situation when many of those we have as examples carry on like the lowest form of scum.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
I was just asking about the motorcycle crash but thanks for some more light on how useless a lot of people are nowadays. More interested in twittering and instagraming what is happening than actually helping people in need. :(

Here's an article that I found interesting on that subject:

http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/05/14/are-you-a-sheep-or-sheepdog/


As I simply refuse to watch the video (judging from other comments here), I will refrain from making too many comments as to the actual case. But, the tiny bit I did see, I kinda have to agree with the assessment that the billy-club cop was looking for trouble and was going to find it, if he had to create it himself.