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Thanks again for re-enforcing my original feelings that i shouldn't feel bad about my purchase. It was an honest one and it satisfied both parties imo. She was happy with what she asked for and i was over the moon with what i received.

Im going to leave these terminators for last with the painting till i get through my other 82 marines first to sharpen my skills. I don't want to rush and do a crappy job even though im dying to get started with them.

Since im a slow painter and my first 18 minis took well over 3 weeks with about 2hours a day im expecting to be much faster now with the following. I dont use spray cans or air brushes. Just old fashioned hand painted skills to work with using a good combo of paints.

Ive started scanning again through ebay also just to check what wh40k is going for these days - pretty shocking that some items seem to go the same as new items even though they are used, painted badly and have the remaining sprue extras missing. Some people must be using there mates to bump up some of the bids because no way can a set of 10 tactical marines in a poor state can be going for 18 pounds plus delivery.

I bought my brand new storm raven from a place in London last year for 40 pounds. It goes for more on ebay incomplete, badly painted and sometimes parts missing or broken. What gives?

You lucky lucky fellow you...

grats...

OP is a witch.

His wife and himself knew what they were buying and still haggled the price.

Paying standard retail would have been the fair thing to do. I hope Karma comes round for you.

 kerikhaos wrote:
Thanks again for re-enforcing my original feelings that i shouldn't feel bad about my purchase. It was an honest one

 kerikhaos wrote:
It was an honest one

Did you tell the woman to inform her son?

All I keep thinking of is if all the son's minis were "around the house in briefcases..." is, what if this was some uninformed mother's description of "Battlefoam"?

IE... I can only imagine someone hardcore into the hobby enough to pack away his models, having some concept of their value, and thus being livid when he finds out they were sold off for 90% off of their value...

The ethics of it, buying it, etc... are not for me to judge, but man... that guy is going to be furious one day soon.

I guess I am another one who thinks that you are a jerk to have ripped off some old lady. I hope you really do feel good about yourself knowing that you got something for nothing at the expense of someone else. You said she knew it's worth because she bought it. Well I doubt that she is trolling ebay to see the value of these things. It is no longer worth $100 or whatever the retail value of the thing was when she bought it. It is now worth $250 and you basically just stole it from her because she did not know what it was worth. You are a bad person.

I can guarantee more than 75% of you bleeding hearts that are calling the OP down for his purchase would do the EXACT same thing in his situation... If you found $1000 in an envelope would you turn it into the authorities? Or pocket it and be ecstatic you just found a grand lying around?

Don't lie...

why would I be the one to approach a deal and suggest to the person selling it that they are making a mistake? I don't understand why I would be expected to do that. I mean there is honest and decent but then theres being stupid. You don't hear of someone shopping around flea markets and 2nd hand shops in search of antiques and when they actually spot one to buy turn around to the seller " excuse me but that thing you've got for sale in the window for a pound? Well it's actually worth 100 - Million pounds. I just thought you should know that. So who should I write out this 100-million pound cheque out to?"

This doesn't ever happen because the dealer quite legitimately sees a deal, knows the secret value in the back of his head but purchases it for the asking price. If later down the line the original donator was then confronted by the person who owned it and made an issue out of it then that's an issue which does not involve the new buyer of the item.

Come on I mean I didn't witness someone who had a smart phone drop out of their pocket and I secretly pocket it instead of telling them. Im always telling people they dropped crap all over the place all the time when I could easily profit in other peoples real misfortunes. I don't feel bad at all in this respect because it was a honest sale. The women paid for this item retail value and knew what that value was, she was happy to gain a fraction of the cost back I was not going to argue with it so that wavers all this rubbish about the women being tricked, conned, misled, abused and robbed of a super valuable item. Her hand reached out I dropped the cash and she smiled with a great big thank you. As far as im concerned she wasn't on drugs, she wasn't doing it out of spite as she had nothing but good things to say about her son. So this was a 100% full aware sale which both parties got what they wanted. She didn't know the value of the item....course she did.....im pretty sure she knew the value of the item on ebay too but being in Cyprus she knew it couldn't be sent off to the UK or states. It would cost about 60 pounds to send it from the weight and size of it. Not to mention charges at customs and the risk of some smart ass saying he never received it so she would have to loose from that too. Or pay a record delivery charge which would the item cost over 100 pounds just for shipping. Was not going to happen and don't be sure too sure to judge this women as unknowing. I think she knew more than she caught on. This weren't no ignorant mom making extra room in the store room getting rid of her sons stuff behind his back. In 6 days however I should be hearing form her if her son bring her fire and brimstone .

Now if the son finds out in shock - goes mad and crazy foam at the mouth then at this point I would be surprised despite how smooth the sale went. In fact im thinking that he legitimately has given up the hobby all together. he's 18, hes going to uni, hes going to be mixing with more mature people, maybe getting serious with a girl......why would his mins be of any importance to him at this stage. Sure in the future he may come back to his senses but just like my transformers my mum gave away. One window opens when you make it clear to your family your not into something anymore gives the unsaid go ahead to sell on items or pass on items without problems. Sure we will give our parents hell afterwards but the ship has sailed and another page in life gets written.

Plus am I seriously going to believe the people on here trying to add weight on my conscious by leading me to believe they have this women and her sons best interests to heart? Or is it the bitter taste of someone elses fortune that upsets the mood and causes for ridiculous remarks like mentioning stupid things regarding value and if shes surely sure she wants to sell etc etc ......whats that called in other words - jealousy I think. I would be happy to hear someones lucky story of being at the right place at the right time providing it was an honest exchange.

thanks again for those who appreciated my tale

Okay so I have like NO IDEA why space hulk is so sick? Why are people paying so much for it?
Also if its worth so much why did you open it from the plastic wrap and then sell it for a big profit?

All about the Benjamins! $$$$
BUT if it worth a lot that kid is gunna be soooooo pissed at his mom (that's gotta be one of the nerdiest sounding things)

I think it is what it is ...everyone of us that plays with little toy soldiers knows that we have the ability to sell our toy soldiers and that we will not get out of them what we have put in them. It is like that with every hobby.

I bought an '07 Softail Standard (Harley Davidson for those that do not know) and started putting ALL of the Willy G. Skulls on it. Grips, foot pegs, primary cover, leather saddlebags with the skulls on it ... if it was available from Harley (read as made by Harley) I had put it on that bike. In August of '08 I ended up getting one of the sweetest deals ever on an Ultra Classic.

So I went from this:

To this:

I knew I was going to lose the $4,000 in Skull items that I put on the bike but it was a sacrifice you make. Those that say what you done was wrong in some way, well, that is their opinion. The thing to remember is this: As long as no person was injured in any way, if you can live with it ... then all is good. You, in my opinion, have done nothing wrong, and congrats on the buy.

 kerikhaos wrote:
why would I be the one to approach a deal and suggest to the person selling it that they are making a mistake? I don't understand why I would be expected to do that. I mean there is honest and decent but then theres being stupid. You don't hear of someone shopping around flea markets and 2nd hand shops in search of antiques and when they actually spot one to buy turn around to the seller " excuse me but that thing you've got for sale in the window for a pound? Well it's actually worth 100 - Million pounds. I just thought you should know that. So who should I write out this 100-million pound cheque out to?"

It really depends how honest you are and if you are ever going to be dealing with the person again, although that might sound bad. I mean if you buy this from them and then you go back to buy something else then the persons son is gunna be like DA FRACK you totally jipped me on the last deal haha

Now if the son finds out in shock - goes mad and crazy foam at the mouth then at this point I would be surprised despite how smooth the sale went. In fact im thinking that he legitimately has given up the hobby all together. he's 18, hes going to uni, hes going to be mixing with more mature people, maybe getting serious with a girl......why would his mins be of any importance to him at this stage.

UMMM okay so this guy who is going to university might not care about his minis anymore but damn imagine how much beer you could buy if he sold it for $300 bucks lol

Don't let this people get to you though the deal is done so its can't be undone and you came up with the better half of the deal....maybe just cut someone else a good deal next time you sell something you know balance out your karma?

Not sure why you're getting so much heat from people about the deal kerikhaos but there's definitely no issues with your lucky find. The rest of them are probably just sore they didn't happen to come across a deal like this themselves.

I myself managed to snag a sealed copy of the game awhile back from another Dakka member as well as a 2nd set of the BA termies from ebay for conversions.

Anyway, if you call yourself a die hard BA fan and collector, you better start posting some pics and progress of your army. Better put that box of Space Hulk to good use!

If you want to assume that I'm bitter because I think you're a witch for what you did then fine. If it helps you feel better about lying and generally being deceitful then believe that.

For what it is worth I actually would like to own Space Hulk. I just wouldn't want to stoop to your level to get it.

@OIIIIIIO

You should have kept the softtail....minus the skulls (IDK what it is about skulls people like so much....makes them look more bada$$?)
Cool bike tho!

Yes, I concur it's a fair (if lucky) purchase.

very lucky purchase.
you definatly got the better side of the deal but i dont see anything dishonest about it.
i dont know what most people parents are like from here but uhm mine used to make no unsure statements if it isnt put away it gets thrown out/sold

 chiefbigredman wrote:
@OIIIIIIO

You should have kept the softtail....minus the skulls (IDK what it is about skulls people like so much....makes them look more bada$$?)
Cool bike tho!

Softail was nice ... but the Geezer Glide rides pristine at 80 mph. Not so much with the FXST. I am going to either pick up another FXST or a Street glide for riding around while she is on her bike that we bought last year.

I really do not see the purchase of that Space Hulk as deceitful in any way. Right time and right place. It happens to all of us. We have all had to take losses on stuff too, it is the way life is lived. He got a good deal, be happy for him, I am.

It's quite incredulous that people think this is a fair deal. Obviously gak happens in the world all the time, but the fact that you're giving him a verbal pat on the back just vexes me.

If you ever have any elderly relatives that are conned out of anything, be it jewellery or heirlooms I seriously hope you remember this thread because the principle is the same.

 Medium of Death wrote:
If you ever have any elderly relatives that are conned out of anything, be it jewellery or heirlooms I seriously hope you remember this thread because the principle is the same.

No - assuming the transaction went as described - the women was of sound mind when she made the sale. The fact that she did not know the potential resale value of the product is neither here nor there. She wanted to sell it and he wanted to buy it. People make these kind of sales all the time. It's basically how the antiques (and collectibles) market functions.

Medium of death - i honestly dont know what your talking about. You seem to be thinking for some reason i broke into an elderly women's house and forced her to sell me something for hardly anything or is it drugs that made it seem that 20 euros was a good deal. The fact this vexes you proves your a bitter person and luck to you is considered a rip off to the other party rather than positive favour going your way. Just like its your opinion how you see this i and others have our own. I cheated no one and have said i would give up the box if contacted within 7 days. Thats probably much farer than most would do so what do you expect me to do. Lets hear your honest truth of being sooooo noble then in this instance if this was you your profound honor and goodheartedness would obviously reject the sale. Am i right. Well all i can say to that apart from its unbelievable i hope under the eyes of god or the emperor you are noticed for great and honest efforts as you should be well rewarded.

6 days and the deal is sealed. No sleepless nights, no hard feelings because i know what i heard and saw from this women who i want to clarify was not older than 40 years old. She in perfect health, knew what she sold for what she asked for and thats the end of it.

Its either a congrats from peeps on here for good fortune - which is what id do it being someone else or be bitter and come at me with weak accusations of me being some kind of serial killer thats looking to justify my killing

I will let you all decide but my honest truth is i couldn't care less. I look forward to hearing someone else's good fortune where i would one of the first to say well done

 Medium of Death wrote:
It's quite incredulous that people think this is a fair deal. Obviously gak happens in the world all the time, but the fact that you're giving him a verbal pat on the back just vexes me.

If you ever have any elderly relatives that are conned out of anything, be it jewellery or heirlooms I seriously hope you remember this thread because the principle is the same.

Someones bitter.

I for one think it's a fair deal, she bought it so knew exactly how much it was worth and it came out in 09, therefore the boy in question would of been 14/15 years of age and tell me what 14/15 year old plans to keep models in their packaging so he can sell them on in 30 years time? None. He (from the sounds of things) didn't care for space hulk (fool) and never bothered to open it so it's a fair buy. Have a verbal pat on the back from me you filthy criminal!

 LiveForTheSwarm wrote:
I can guarantee more than 75% of you bleeding hearts that are calling the OP down for his purchase would do the EXACT same thing in his situation... If you found $1000 in an envelope would you turn it into the authorities? Or pocket it and be ecstatic you just found a grand lying around?

Don't lie...

I have turned in a 100 dollar bill into the authorities. I would definitely turn a grand into the authorities. That could be someones rent money. The number of shameful people in this thread with no sens of morality saddens me. If you see something in a shop on sale for 1 dollar that is worth 1 million dollars you should feel a sens of moral obligation to tell that person. I wouldn't feel bad if i found someone selling a copy of space hulk for retail value that is someone who doesn't know what they have but to buy it for 40 bucks is criminal.

rothrich wrote:
I have turned in a 100 dollar bill into the authorities. I would definitely turn a grand into the authorities. That could be someones rent money. The number of shameful people in this thread with no sens of morality saddens me. If you see something in a shop on sale for 1 dollar that is worth 1 million dollars you should feel a sens of moral obligation to tell that person. I wouldn't feel bad if i found someone selling a copy of space hulk for retail value that is someone who doesn't know what they have but to buy it for 40 bucks is criminal.

When we were redecorating our house shortly after moving in, we found £300 in a leather pouch stuffed behind a radiator. We returned it to the vendor via the estate agent.

I would still buy a sealed box of Space Hulk for £16 if someone were willing to sell it.

The difference between these two scenarios is that the person in the latter situation knows what they are selling and is willing to make the transaction on that basis.

 Flashman wrote:


The difference between these two scenarios is that the person in the latter situation knows what they are selling and is willing to make the transaction on that basis.

She obviously didn't know what she was selling.

I'd love to see the listing myself as it might clarify the OP's position. Did they know that it fetches quite a high price on ebay? Did the lady perhaps misremember what she paid for it?

Did anyone and stop to think that maybe she did know how much it was worth and did not care and just wanted to get rid of it. Or that maybe she had it on the site for a while but no one was interested and she lowered the price. The OP could of been the only person interested in the Space Hulk set and with his wife explaining that he was a fan and would tear the box open might have been the reason why the women dropped the price further. I have seen many people with valuable items and let them go for dirt cheap because A) they could not find a buyer or B) because they just want or needed to get rid of it asap.

So seriously lay off the OP he did not con anyone or cheat anyone he found a good deal and that is that.

 LiveForTheSwarm wrote:
I can guarantee more than 75% of you bleeding hearts that are calling the OP down for his purchase would do the EXACT same thing in his situation... If you found $1000 in an envelope would you turn it into the authorities? Or pocket it and be ecstatic you just found a grand lying around?

Don't lie...

Not even gonna try to front, I would have that stuff pocketed, swapped out cash-for-cash with friends to launder it, and in the bank inside of 24 hours.

Unless there's a name on the envelope or something. That's a totally different scenario, if there's a name and address on the envelope that identifies who it belongs to, then I'll try to track them down or give it to the cops.

But a plain, unmarked envelope with a fat stack of cash? You bet I'm taking it.

sounds like a lot of people dont understand how ethics/commerce works...

if anyone screwed anyone, it was the moms for not asking her kid before selling his stuff.


little hint for people here, you are NOT morally obligated to pay a certain amount for anything, nor are you morally obligated to ensure people make a profit on their transaction...

items are worth what people will pay/sell them for.


I bought two 100$ each ikea glass display cabinets from an old lady... I paid 35 bucks for the pair... OMG I AM WORSE THEN A ROB-HITLER-STALIN-COMMIE-NAZI CLONE SITHLORD

True, but that old lady walked out of that deal on the better side. She offloaded 2 bits of Ikea furniture. That woman must be the craftiest of crafty Rogue Traders.

why is it when an old lady sells me stuff worth 200$, and I pay 35$ its ok,

but when the OP buys somthing worth 200$, for 20$ its not?


both the old lady and the OP's seller could have gotten more, had they asked for more or done research, but they didnt, so they got less.


someone at a retail store just gave me a .25 cent peice that is worth 5$ in my change... am I ROBO-HITLER-STALIN-COMMIE-NAZI CLONE SITHLORD for not immediatly going back and telling them their mistake?

If you really can't see why the OP's story is different to your own experience then I don't know what to say.

I guess i'm just mad and bitter that I didn't get Space Hulk.