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 streamdragon wrote:
My other issue is I usually either Pod or Rhino my hunters, but I guess and Outflanking unit doesn't really need a ride.

hm... consider me sold. I'll find 110 points somewhere, probably dropping my Wolf Scouts since Hunters will be pulling a similar trick...

Yep, and you can do a full 10 plus wolf guard, if you want (combi-plasma?) with the WP unlike a drop pod or rhino. It's a fun unit.

 Anpu42 wrote:

 Big Blind Bill wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
My Dark Angels Deathwing Knight, I just can't seem to get them to last past the 1st turn.
But picking up the dice to make 10 saves and rolling 7 1s never helps.

LRC and better dice rolling are in order.

Personally, most dreadnoughts. It's a shame they pale so badly when compared to MCs this edition.

I was thinking a Redeimer, I have luck with those.
As far as the dice

So your knights can jump out and then be cooked by the flamers? No thanks, LRC for me.

Speaking of landraiders, it would be nice to see the Redeemer and certainly the base landraider get a buff. Who still uses those things?

 Big Blind Bill wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:

 Big Blind Bill wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
My Dark Angels Deathwing Knight, I just can't seem to get them to last past the 1st turn.
But picking up the dice to make 10 saves and rolling 7 1s never helps.

LRC and better dice rolling are in order.

Personally, most dreadnoughts. It's a shame they pale so badly when compared to MCs this edition.

I was thinking a Redeimer, I have luck with those.
As far as the dice

So your knights can jump out and then be cooked by the flamers? No thanks, LRC for me.

Speaking of landraiders, it would be nice to see the Redeemer and certainly the base landraider get a buff. Who still uses those things?

I use my Redeemer all of the time.
My best was I managed to place one so I could geed the Assault Cannon, both Flamers and the Storm Bolter on one Squad of Khorne Berserkers killing it off and put the Multi-Melta into the Chaos Dreadnaught causing it to explode killing off another Squad of Khorne Berserkers.

I second Possessed. I have some awesome conversions made up and painted, but they're just so terrible.

My vindicators. Never got more than 5 kills per game.

 ender0656 wrote:

Eihnlazer wrote:
I've got 12 dreadnoughts and 14 land speeders.

With so much str 7 shooting nowadays i really cant play them at a competitive level though.


I acctually have an iron hands list with 14 landspeeders and a biker command squad that is nasty, but tau and eldar would probably poon it.

I have had really good luck recently with a single land speeder and a meltagun running around popping vehicles and getting line breaker.

Land speeders can't get line breaker

Wings of Purity wrote:

 ender0656 wrote:

Eihnlazer wrote:
I've got 12 dreadnoughts and 14 land speeders.

With so much str 7 shooting nowadays i really cant play them at a competitive level though.


I acctually have an iron hands list with 14 landspeeders and a biker command squad that is nasty, but tau and eldar would probably poon it.

I have had really good luck recently with a single land speeder and a meltagun running around popping vehicles and getting line breaker.

Land speeders can't get line breaker

They can with the right mission: The Scouring

 Anpu42 wrote:

Wings of Purity wrote:

 ender0656 wrote:

Eihnlazer wrote:
I've got 12 dreadnoughts and 14 land speeders.

With so much str 7 shooting nowadays i really cant play them at a competitive level though.


I acctually have an iron hands list with 14 landspeeders and a biker command squad that is nasty, but tau and eldar would probably poon it.

I have had really good luck recently with a single land speeder and a meltagun running around popping vehicles and getting line breaker.

Land speeders can't get line breaker

They can with the right mission: The Scouring

Oh thanks, I've been playing it wrong then. I always thought vehicles can never be scoring.

You have to be a scoring unit in order to get line breaker?

 ender0656 wrote:
You have to be a scoring unit in order to get line breaker?

Or denial

"If, at the end of the game, you have at least one model
from one or more scoring or denial units in the enemy's
deployment zone, you score 1 Victory Point."

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
My vindicators. Never got more than 5 kills per game.

I've often considered throwing Chronus in my Vindicator just to see if it helps.

Mandrakes (when used as Mandrakes) and Banshees (when used as Banshees). They each look good or cool but, they suck badly.

My assault equipped PA Sword Brethren. Before they could Inflitrate and assault. Now they no longer can. Also HBB teams. I love the idea of them mowing down squads, but irl they just get pie plated and give up first blood.

Warbuggies. They are just too fragile to do anything, even if they do patch some of the mobile ranged AT problems of the Orks.

Ork Burnas - Used to be good but very situational and tend to not live long since most players know to fear a wagon full of burnas.
Ork Kommandos & DE Mandrakes - 2 Units that have a lot of potential but really aren't worth the points at the moment.

Tomb Blades - Huge competition in the Necron FA slot and TombBlades provide a solution that something else does better and cheaper in the codex.

 Anpu42 wrote:
My Dark Angels Deathwing Knight, I just can't seem to get them to last past the 1st turn.
But picking up the dice to make 10 saves and rolling 7 1s never helps.

I'll actually disagree, I have a squad of 5 and they have consistently never been fully wiped out and bring some damage to the table. 1st turn hide them in cover or behind a shooting, deepstriking DW squad.

Henesy wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
My Dark Angels Deathwing Knight, I just can't seem to get them to last past the 1st turn.
But picking up the dice to make 10 saves and rolling 7 1s never helps.

I'll actually disagree, I have a squad of 5 and they have consistently never been fully wiped out and bring some damage to the table. 1st turn hide them in cover or behind a shooting, deepstriking DW squad.

I agree with you, on paper they should be able to survive long enough to do something, but everytime I bring them out they die in the first or second turn. It is not even though weight of fire, I just can't make my seves with them. The Normal Deathwing with out even an storm shield hardly feel anything even when shot with AP2 Weapons.
And this is why I don't trust Mathhammer.

 ender0656 wrote:

 Likan Wolfsheim wrote:
Somehow I've managed to amass 7-8 plastic dreadnoughts with varying armaments over the years. I love these guys so much, but they just aren't that great as things stand. Even using Techmarine or BA shenanigans for a massive Dreadnought Swarm isn't terribly effective. :(

I know that pain. I've got three dreads and I've though about making a fun list including all of them.

This.

5-6 Hellbrutes and all they do is scream "FIRST BLOOD"

Sad times, as I love the concept of the Dreadnought/Hellbrute as it was one of the main factors that got me into 40k

Khorne cares not from where the blood flows...

My Death Guard. All of them.

I ran a happy, fluff based army. I still do. Not too many vehicles, no flying dragon shenanigans, no mass Obliterator spam.

Turns out the current Chaos book is actually meant to be nothing but those. Less than impressed I am.

To quote an Ork player - surely Chaos Terminators should be WS 5 at least - seriously.

Thousand sons. Bloodcrushers skarbrand conversions..

TWC

P.S @ darkstar i find that nurgle fluffs works very well with daemon allies.

My entire Dark Angels army.

 SRSFACE wrote:
My entire Dark Angels army.

I have been struggling with them too.

Dark Angels got kicked in the jimmies by the helldrake, and things have only gotten worse. Once Space Wolves come out and we have another source of marines with divination, DA will probably become very rare.

Most sub-AV13 non-skimmer vehicles sadly. Between HP's, the massive nerf to the vehicle assault and transport rules, and complete lack of ability to interact with mission objectives, they just provide too little utility and die far too quickly. Stuff like Hellhounds, Dreads, Chimeras, Forgefiends, Sentinels, Defilers, Pentitent Engines, Hunter, etc.

IG stormtroopers are another, so much potential, but lacking the statline and weapon strength to effectively use their special rules and AP3. IA12 DKoK Grendiers are more usable, they lack all the special deployment rules but get to be Troops and are only 2/3rds the price.

Tyranid Warriors are also one. They looks so cool, have so much potential, but are just too easy to kill off and prevent from getting into combat and cost way too much after necessary upgrades.

IG heavy weapons teams. too expensive, too easy to ID and inflict run tests on, too expensive for most weapons.

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I gots a 2k Wazdakka biker list, it is the most intimidating army I field and actually got me a decent painting score at a tourney. It's led by the FW biker boss and a converted Wazdakka on a jet bike, just because.

Every time I put down a couple dozen bikers my opponents quake with fear. Unfortunately they quickly realise that the army itself is really quite lame and against anything except the most casual, friendly of lists it just collapses.

Thousand Sons-fall victim to GW's tendency to make AP3 really overpriced and they are laughably worse than a Heldrake in every way. Even without the Drake they suck. Im just waiting for Horus Heresy book 4 so they can be awesome.

biker captain and command squad kitted out for close combat:

- captain w/power fist and lightning claw
- biker with two lightning claws
- biker with (magnetized) storm shield and power maul
- biker with (magnetized) storm shield and power axe
- biker champ with combat shield and power sword
- biker apothecary

put sooo much work into these guys, but they're almost useless on the table in 6th :(

I'm having a hard time finding uses for stealth suits outside of positional relay shenanigans. It also sucks for a jet pack infantry unit with one wound that they can die to dangerous terrain.