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Haven't seen it mentioned so I think I'll ask. Is there any word on allies for this? Are they allowed to take CSM as Battle brothers?

Yes, is specifically mentions they can.

Which now that I think about it makes them an ideal small allied detachment. Sorcerer buffbot with Divination, the cultists you bring will be better due to Fear.

Can they take daemons as an ally ?

It's still Chaos Space Marines, just with the option to ally with a detachment of Chaos Space Marines direct from the base codex for said army. You still use the Codex: Chaos Space Marines allies index.

Okay thanks !

The more I look at Possessed, the more my feelings on them are mixed. While I like that they're more survivable, the reduction to one good combat power makes them less handy at the same time.

What I really wish is that they had all three of those rules at the same time.


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I'm thinking the real winner of this codex is a Bike/Juggerlord with Daemonheart and the Relentless Blade.

Does that mean you could take Crimson Slaughter allied with Black Legion?

 Slaanesh-Devotee wrote:
Does that mean you could take Crimson Slaughter allied with Black Legion?

I think so, because you can ally just like the CSM codex, which means the same permissions given to the CSM dex to ally with BL should transfer over.

In theory at least.

can you take an undivided daemon prince !?!?!?(that would be amazing)

Lamo wrote:
can you take an undivided daemon prince !?!?!?(that would be amazing)

No. An unmarked character can become one, but you can't just take one.

Nurgle lord on a bike with the horns sword and heart sounds
good. Run with nurgle bikes or spawn maybe.

2+ 4++ t6 3 wounds with bike movement. Just slam him into something softish to get some kills for ap2 then wreck most things.
Would be a bit over 200 for it though and for a bit more with space marines you can get the ironfather smashguy who may be better. Different codex but just a point comparison.

Is the sword specialist? If not then can leave off a second weapon and toss on a melta bomb just in case.

It's not specialist.

I also don't think I'd bother with the 4++ sigil. I typically run a Daemon Prince as my second HQ and he's better suited for fighting things with AP2.

 SRSFACE wrote:
It's still Chaos Space Marines, just with the option to ally with a detachment of Chaos Space Marines direct from the base codex for said army. You still use the Codex: Chaos Space Marines allies index.

I'm not so sure about that - the wording on allies is different from Black Legion one - in BL you had sentence like "In addition to following the Allies Matrix for Codex: Chaos Space Marines, Black Legion detachments and Codex: Chaos Space Marines detachments may ally together, treating each other as Battle Brothers." while in CS you have only "CS can ally with CSM" (I don't have the book with me right now) so I would guess that you can ally with regular CSM and BL but you cannot ally Deamons, DE, Orks, Tau, IG or Necrons... It would be correct fluff wise as they eradicate everything they encounter apart from few cults (to fetch recruits) or bigger renegade warbands.

Fluff-wise, they'd ally with daemons in a heartbeat seeing as half of them are possessed to begin with.

Just a note. The whole Daemons Codex has fear.

 SRSFACE wrote:
Fluff-wise, they'd ally with daemons in a heartbeat seeing as half of them are possessed to begin with.

Ehhh...I'm not so sure about that since their possession seems to be caused differently, and ends on it's own without the host dying.

AlexRae wrote:
Is it still basically £24.99 for a warlord chart, minimal force org adjustments and some relics?

Farsight enclaves does the same thing, really. It just adds a few "special characters", of which two you couldn't build in either codex.

Wow, this is actually really nice.

The book is really weird, it just has cover art on the front with no title :S

nareik wrote:
The book is really weird, it just has cover art on the front with no title :S

That's just to show off how nice the cover art is.

Actually I noticed that at my FLGS as well. I dunno, I kinda like it better that way instead of the massive embossed lettering we usually see.

That Draznicht in a plasma chosen unit, infiltrating with cypher alongside Cyphers own chosen sounds like a deal breaker...

The cover is jacket. Underneath is the same image with the words on it.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
The more I look at Possessed, the more my feelings on them are mixed. While I like that they're more survivable, the reduction to one good combat power makes them less handy at the same time.

What I really wish is that they had all three of those rules at the same time.

I have to agree. Sure you give them the new D3 table which will help them get to combat, but once they are there they are just fearless marines with +1 STR and a 5+ invuln that cost twice as many points. No thanks.

JubbJubbz wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
The more I look at Possessed, the more my feelings on them are mixed. While I like that they're more survivable, the reduction to one good combat power makes them less handy at the same time.

What I really wish is that they had all three of those rules at the same time.

I have to agree. Sure you give them the new D3 table which will help them get to combat, but once they are there they are just fearless marines with +1 STR and a 5+ invuln that cost twice as many points. No thanks.

It makes me sad too. I like the models (despite the age of them they are pretty good models) and I'd love to have a use for them (other than kitbashing, or making Champs out of the kit) but as it stands I don't have an incentive to take them. Maybe if they got a really good formation for Apoc....

I still think their possessed are significantly better. As it currently stands, only 1 of the tables on the natural possessed one is any good (counts as AP3). The 3++/Rending one is a superior option to that, I personally think.

I've got a handful of possessed already built, because I model to model rather than to have effective units. They'd never done anything for me in previous games, so testing them out with the new table is on the horizon. The fact they can score, I think, is worth the change alone.

I also think I am going to try out some Cultist Spam lists with biker/raptor support. See how that goes.

And I still think the Draznicht squad is uber. It's hard to argue with preferred enemy on a squad kitted out for ranged domination. I just need to figure out a way to get them close to things like Riptides because they are going to be such a juicy target and a Rhino isn't going to cut it.

I wonder how unfluffy a Daemon Prince would be, since there isn't really any talk of daemons, and their possessed are more like manifested ghosts. The DP model is awesome but fluff trumps usefulness for me. It seems like it might be fluffy because the relevant lines about possessed from the supplement read:

Indeed, so strong is the supernatural effect that surrounds the cursed renegades that, on the verge of combat, some squads become so utterly filled by daemonic powers that their very bodies writhe and change

So it might not be that far-fetched to have a full on Daemon Prince? Maybe he reverts back to normal before battle and then "hulks up"?

WayneTheGame wrote:
I wonder how unfluffy a Daemon Prince would be, since there isn't really any talk of daemons, and their possessed are more like manifested ghosts. The DP model is awesome but fluff trumps usefulness for me.

With them participating in the Black Crusade Be'Lakor wouldn't be a bad fit (since he likes to get up in Abbadon's business), as for a generic DP...there is no mention of them. Maybe from another faction perhaps, but I'm guessing Crimson Slaughter having been running around long enough to have earned that privilege on their own.

Though if you have someone go DP in a game that'd be an excuse to include on later if you're into story based stuff for your army.

Yeah possessed aren't that bad. I was talking with people at my FLGS tonight and it struck me that a squad of possessed in the CS codex is like running around with a squad of mini demon princes.

They get the extra beatiness standard, and then you can give them a mark, and then they roll and randomly get demon prince powers (nurgle's shrouded, slaanesh's + speed, tzeentch's more powerful invul save). They don't get psychic powers, of course, but in a way, their abilities are similar in this book.

I mean, you're taking a khorne berzerker, and then giving it fear and an invul save, and then you can put it into a situation where it has a 3+ invul save, or is +T and moves like a beast, etc.

Mini demon princes that can ride in a transport, and score.

Not too shabby.

 Ailaros wrote:
Yeah possessed aren't that bad. I was talking with people at my FLGS tonight and it struck me that a squad of possessed in the CS codex is like running around with a squad of mini demon princes.

They get the extra beatiness standard, and then you can give them a mark, and then they roll and randomly get demon prince powers (nurgle's shrouded, slaanesh's + speed, tzeentch's more powerful invul save). They don't get psychic powers, of course, but in a way, their abilities are similar in this book.

I mean, you're taking a khorne berzerker, and then giving it fear and an invul save, and then you can put it into a situation where it has a 3+ invul save, or is +T and moves like a beast, etc.

Mini demon princes that can ride in a transport, and score.

Not too shabby.

So 10 in a Rhino. or more than that in the ol' Godhammer so they can assault when they hop out?

I mean, it's still silly expensive, of course, but it seems like it's rather beaty (my knowledge here is second hand), and it scores.

In a way, this is CSM's terminator list... sort of. Scoring units with a bunch of extra abilities and a ++. The only thing they're missing is deepstrike.