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2014/05/14 12:22:12
Subject: Could Daemonology offer a hint of things to come?
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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 dementedwombat wrote:This actually doesn't affect me personally at all, because I'm Tau and what's psychic phase (I suppose it's only fair that I get to sit through a phase while my opponent's do nothing but pummel me, considering what my typical shooting phases look like). I severely doubt anybody I play with will take things to this kind of absurdity. It does seem like (as so often is the case) an interesting idea horribly implemented.
You know GW are probably gonna nerfbat our shooting into the ground somehow, right? I mean, a Xenos faction had a good five minute spint, now the Astartes have to be the best again. Because otherwise the universe is too Grim-
Oh, snap.
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Pretre: OOOOHHHHH snap. That's like driving away from hitting a pedestrian.
Pacific:First person to Photoshop a GW store into the streets of Kabul wins the thread.
Selym: "Be true to thyself, play Chaos" - Jesus, Daemon Prince of Cegorach.
H.B.M.C: You can't lobotomise someone twice. |
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2014/05/14 17:03:43
Subject: Re:Could Daemonology offer a hint of things to come?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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Puscifer wrote: PotentiallyLethal wrote:But looking at this in terms of story line (cough.. I know but let me continue) could it be a sign of The End Times?
Chaos and the Warp breaking through much easier and this is it for reality, every psycher becoming a conduit for the beast of the warp?
This is why I'm going Grey Knights for this edition.
Thematically, it's going to rock.
I also want to ally a GK to my IG and have him summon a daemon.
GK's get ML3, right? Automatically Appended Next Post:  liquidjoshi wrote: dementedwombat wrote:This actually doesn't affect me personally at all, because I'm Tau and what's psychic phase (I suppose it's only fair that I get to sit through a phase while my opponent's do nothing but pummel me, considering what my typical shooting phases look like). I severely doubt anybody I play with will take things to this kind of absurdity. It does seem like (as so often is the case) an interesting idea horribly implemented.
You know GW are probably gonna nerfbat our shooting into the ground somehow, right? I mean, a Xenos faction had a good five minute spint, now the Astartes have to be the best again. Because otherwise the universe is too Grim-
Oh, snap.
There shall be a range-based accuracy modifier. -1 Bs for every 6" away the enemy is, to a minimum of 1.
Probably.
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2014/05/14 17:18:16
Subject: Could Daemonology offer a hint of things to come?
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Thane of Dol Guldur
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Hopefully, this new school will be limited to CSM, but I doubt it. GW gots to sell some models!
IMO, the goofy Daemons codex should be done away with, and Chaos Daemons should ONLY appear on the table if summoned by a CSM army.
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2014/05/14 17:18:45
Subject: Could Daemonology offer a hint of things to come?
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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Probably something closer to "All units must fire at BS1", with modifiers. Then Space Marines will get "And they shall know no nerf", which gives them the "Perfect shot" special rule. Obviously that means they shoot with +1 BS, ignoring negative modifiers.
It should be pointed out that Chaos Marines will obviously not get this bonus. Part of not being in the Imperium Cool club having the Emperor's guiding hand.
No, I'm not bitter...
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/05/14 17:19:57
Pretre: OOOOHHHHH snap. That's like driving away from hitting a pedestrian.
Pacific:First person to Photoshop a GW store into the streets of Kabul wins the thread.
Selym: "Be true to thyself, play Chaos" - Jesus, Daemon Prince of Cegorach.
H.B.M.C: You can't lobotomise someone twice. |
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2014/05/14 17:34:13
Subject: Could Daemonology offer a hint of things to come?
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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 Psienesis wrote:Ya know...
I have the fear, based on nothing at all concrete, it's just an idea at this point... that the creation of this new school is gonna remove a lot of the mystery from certain things.
Like, we start seeing requirements of having a Sisters of Battle or Ecclesiarchal Daemonurgist in order to field a Living Saint, because suddenly Living Saints just became Daemons of Order. Or the Legion of the Damned require some kind of Imperial Daemonurgist to show up on the battlefield, because these Space Marines From Beyond are actually Daemons of some kind. Blood Angels require a Librarian with Daemonurgy to field the Sanguinor, because the Sanguinor is a Daemon of some kind or another.
It just seems... dumb.
and grey knights get all happy because they have PE everything!
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2014/05/14 17:59:19
Subject: Could Daemonology offer a hint of things to come?
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Ambitious Acothyst With Agonizer
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I like this idea for once tempted to go make Guard army with a radical inquisitor and summon me some deamons - for a soon to be excommunicated Inquisitor and traitor guard!
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2014/05/14 18:23:33
Subject: Could Daemonology offer a hint of things to come?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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cammy wrote:I like this idea for once tempted to go make Guard army with a radical inquisitor and summon me some deamons - for a soon to be excommunicated Inquisitor and traitor guard!
Can Inquisitors or IG become ML3?
You need ML3 to summon...
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2014/05/14 19:01:43
Subject: Could Daemonology offer a hint of things to come?
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Ambitious Acothyst With Agonizer
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I dont know if they could - im sure i woudl find a way to get a ML3 in there somehow even if it were using a Chaos dude and modeling them to look like a radical inquisitor?
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2014/05/14 19:03:41
Subject: Could Daemonology offer a hint of things to come?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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 Selym wrote:cammy wrote:I like this idea for once tempted to go make Guard army with a radical inquisitor and summon me some deamons - for a soon to be excommunicated Inquisitor and traitor guard!
Can Inquisitors or IG become ML3?
You need ML3 to summon...
IG? No.
Inquisitors? I don't know.
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2014/05/14 19:25:17
Subject: Could Daemonology offer a hint of things to come?
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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Selym wrote:cammy wrote:I like this idea for once tempted to go make Guard army with a radical inquisitor and summon me some deamons - for a soon to be excommunicated Inquisitor and traitor guard!
Can Inquisitors or IG become ML3?
You need ML3 to summon...
assuming there is no way to use 3 warp change as a ML1 or ML2 psyker. We dont know how this will all work in 7th.
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2014/05/14 19:30:12
Subject: Could Daemonology offer a hint of things to come?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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 Exergy wrote: Selym wrote:cammy wrote:I like this idea for once tempted to go make Guard army with a radical inquisitor and summon me some deamons - for a soon to be excommunicated Inquisitor and traitor guard!
Can Inquisitors or IG become ML3?
You need ML3 to summon...
assuming there is no way to use 3 warp change as a ML1 or ML2 psyker. We dont know how this will all work in 7th.
Exactly. Considering you pool your dice together and choose how many to roll for the powers you choose to use, it could be possible for a ML1 psycher to use 2 or 3 Warp Charge powers.
We don't know, yet.
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2014/05/14 19:56:36
Subject: Could Daemonology offer a hint of things to come?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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 kronk wrote: Exergy wrote: Selym wrote:cammy wrote:I like this idea for once tempted to go make Guard army with a radical inquisitor and summon me some deamons - for a soon to be excommunicated Inquisitor and traitor guard!
Can Inquisitors or IG become ML3?
You need ML3 to summon...
assuming there is no way to use 3 warp change as a ML1 or ML2 psyker. We dont know how this will all work in 7th.
Exactly. Considering you pool your dice together and choose how many to roll for the powers you choose to use, it could be possible for a ML1 psycher to use 2 or 3 Warp Charge powers.
We don't know, yet.
Yes.. It's possible that they could pool their powers together, like a brotherhood of sorcerers...
Now I want to attach three Primaris Psykers at Mastery 2 into a 50-man blob squad... It seems that the summoning powers require a model's sacrifice (given their wording and that the final one kills the psyker), using a blob squad for this could be utterly terrifying. Loss of ~5 pts per daemon squad, gain of about 100 pts per daemon squad... Overall of +95 pts per summon 
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2014/05/15 00:02:34
Subject: Could Daemonology offer a hint of things to come?
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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler
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 jasper76 wrote:Hopefully, this new school will be limited to CSM, but I doubt it. GW gots to sell some models!
IMO, the goofy Daemons codex should be done away with, and Chaos Daemons should ONLY appear on the table if summoned by a CSM army.
I can't disagree more. I love Daemons. In 3rd and 3.5 editions I ran as many as I could fit in my with CSM, and then in late 4th, GW gave me a present: I could now field my Daemons without any marines to hold them back. Sure, the army performed mediocre at best, but man, was I in my element. Now, with the 6th Ed 'dex, I'm enjoying my time in the sun. Please don't take that away from me 
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 Daemons--5000
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Daemons--15000
 Word Bearers--10000
Total investment in the Forces of Chaos: 38,000
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2014/05/15 00:07:42
Subject: Could Daemonology offer a hint of things to come?
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Oozing Plague Marine Terminator
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I'm all for it. I bought my Great Unclean One way back in 3.5 and I've NEVER fielded him. The only time he hit the table was as a Daemon Prince on a Dark Apotheosis roll.
I skipped over the last daemon codex completely, but bought the current one just for the hell of it. Now I am glad that I did!
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2014/05/15 00:21:40
Subject: Could Daemonology offer a hint of things to come?
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Beautiful and Deadly Keeper of Secrets
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Selym wrote: A GumyBear wrote:GorillaWarfare wrote: A GumyBear wrote:Well you could summon a BT or you could summon some horrors and a tzerald with grim then cast power #1 for a free horrorstar that is pretty much self sufficient.
Consider you need to spend 30 points for a grimoire, and there is no indication that you can purchase wargear for summoned units, this is a bit much to assume.
If you read the 4th spell on the malefic chart it says the herald summoned may take up to 30 poimts of upgrades and all I thought of was grimoir for the horrors then my farseer explodes and brings out that keeper of secrets because slaanesh and eldar should totally bro fist each other
Y'know, I would actually start an Eldar army, just to watch it all transform into various incarnations of Slaanesh in a wonderful fluff-murdering manner 
Or you could use it to represent old-school Chaos Eldar, or Eldar who have just 'given up' and decided to screw the galaxy over. 
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