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 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
I think people get upset over others buying this (and other ludicrous GW products) because, by buying it, they are telling GW that it is perfectly OK to more than double prices for a single different cover, or to "bundle" items with absolutely no savings, or sell inferior versions of paint/tools for ten times what you could find at Wal-Mart for.

People buying GWs idiocy is how we got here in the first place.

a) not always a different cover, and that also belittles where the cover is significantly imprved. Not all were just slip covers.
b) it IS PERFECTLY OK for them to do this. It's called capitalism. If you dont like it, dont buy it. However, dont say that just because you are on a diet (dont like their special editions, for whatever reason) others cannot have a doughnut (their buying the special edition in no way impacts you.)

nosferatu1001 wrote:
It was the "worthless in 24 months" aspect, suggesting 8th is out then. That was an extrapolcation based on one data point, whcih is an unsound argument.

Hahaha you guys.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
I think people get upset over others buying this (and other ludicrous GW products) because, by buying it, they are telling GW that it is perfectly OK to more than double prices for a single different cover, or to "bundle" items with absolutely no savings, or sell inferior versions of paint/tools for ten times what you could find at Wal-Mart for.

People buying GWs idiocy is how we got here in the first place.

a) not always a different cover, and that also belittles where the cover is significantly imprved. Not all were just slip covers.
b) it IS PERFECTLY OK for them to do this. It's called capitalism. If you dont like it, dont buy it. However, dont say that just because you are on a diet (dont like their special editions, for whatever reason) others cannot have a doughnut (their buying the special edition in no way impacts you.)

But that isn't true. It tells GW they can charge whatever ludicrous prices they want and there will still be um... (looks at Rule #1) people... who will buy it. It DOES impact me.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
I think people get upset over others buying this (and other ludicrous GW products) because, by buying it, they are telling GW that it is perfectly OK to more than double prices for a single different cover, or to "bundle" items with absolutely no savings, or sell inferior versions of paint/tools for ten times what you could find at Wal-Mart for.

People buying GWs idiocy is how we got here in the first place.

^This.

Had this come out 2-3 years from now, I wouldnt have a problem. But if this sells, then it only tells GW to do this again, simply because they can get away with it.

I am not criticizing peeps use of their disposable income, believe me, I have my ridiculous stuff I spend a lot of money on too. Its just this is send a message to GW and one I can't support. Its just going to hose us again in the future I am afraid.

Spend the money how you want. It's your money. For me, I better get a nice army with that boxed set for that much money. I want more incentives before I fork over that kind of cash.

KTG17 wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
I think people get upset over others buying this (and other ludicrous GW products) because, by buying it, they are telling GW that it is perfectly OK to more than double prices for a single different cover, or to "bundle" items with absolutely no savings, or sell inferior versions of paint/tools for ten times what you could find at Wal-Mart for.

People buying GWs idiocy is how we got here in the first place.

^This.

Had this come out 2-3 years from now, I wouldnt have a problem. But if this sells, then it only tells GW to do this again, simply because they can get away with it.

I am not criticizing peeps use of their disposable income, believe me, I have my ridiculous stuff I spend a lot of money on too. Its just this is send a message to GW and one I can't support. Its just going to hose us again in the future I am afraid.

Well so far the weekend passes and GW already sold 1600 of the 2000 collectors edition.

So its selling, and promoting GW to do this again becuase they can get away with it.

Perhaps the majority of gamers are sending YOU a message? GW is expensive and the 2000 CE buyers is telling you they can afford it and enjoy it. If you can't enjoy the pricing perhaps its time to move on to another gaming system?

It might mean the downfall of GW but that's their problem is it not?

Personally, any CE product from GW is too pricy for me to think it is worthwhile for purchase. but I'm pass the point of caring. Let GW charge what they want. if I still think it is worthwhile I will buy it. If not I wont make my purchase. If GW loss sales or dies I could care less.

wufai wrote:
Well so far the weekend passes and GW already sold 1600 of the 2000 collectors edition.

No. They split up the total between regions, which is why UK says 368 remaining, Europe 400 remaining, North America 416 remaining, and Australia no longer available.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
I think people get upset over others buying this (and other ludicrous GW products) because, by buying it, they are telling GW that it is perfectly OK to more than double prices for a single different cover, or to "bundle" items with absolutely no savings, or sell inferior versions of paint/tools for ten times what you could find at Wal-Mart for.

People buying GWs idiocy is how we got here in the first place.

a) not always a different cover, and that also belittles where the cover is significantly imprved. Not all were just slip covers.
b) it IS PERFECTLY OK for them to do this. It's called capitalism. If you dont like it, dont buy it. However, dont say that just because you are on a diet (dont like their special editions, for whatever reason) others cannot have a doughnut (their buying the special edition in no way impacts you.)

But that isn't true. It tells GW they can charge whatever ludicrous prices they want and there will still be um... (looks at Rule #1) people... who will buy it. It DOES impact me.

No, not when the basic item is the same price. Apples to oranges.

It does not, in any way, affect you as long as they continue to sell both.

 TheKbob wrote:
I'd be kinda upset if my significant other spent that much money on such an item, then again, they'd know that I'd not want that.

I won't be buying it.

And I hate the instant "chess" analogy. It's lazy. We have a handful of other competing games with rules for cheaper and better written and balanced. And you can purchase the rules for three of them for he cost of the standard rule book.

You could have a starter army and the rules for three to four other Wargames for the cost of the GW special edition. You could have two armies for one and demo games to friends to try something new.

That's the value of the GW special edition. Fancy covers and cardboard or new games and models. $85 for rules is already asinine. $340 is reaching... Ludicrous. Speeeeeed.

But this is a 40K subforum on a 40K themed site, so I guess it's our fault that some people are excited for a new release. I won't be buying this collectors edition, thought about it long and hard, but decided I want more minatures, but that is neither here nor there. What other people do with their money is up to them. For some of us, that cardboard and the special objective coins ends up being worth it over buying the models for some random game no one in our area/gaming group plays. You don't like the price points on a new edition of the game. Got it. Thanks for your input. Those of us who still enjoy this hobby will now go spray our money into GWs pockets.

 Saevus wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:
I'd be kinda upset if my significant other spent that much money on such an item, then again, they'd know that I'd not want that.

I won't be buying it.

And I hate the instant "chess" analogy. It's lazy. We have a handful of other competing games with rules for cheaper and better written and balanced. And you can purchase the rules for three of them for he cost of the standard rule book.

You could have a starter army and the rules for three to four other Wargames for the cost of the GW special edition. You could have two armies for one and demo games to friends to try something new.

That's the value of the GW special edition. Fancy covers and cardboard or new games and models. $85 for rules is already asinine. $340 is reaching... Ludicrous. Speeeeeed.

But this is a 40K subforum on a 40K themed site, so I guess it's our fault that some people are excited for a new release. I won't be buying this collectors edition, thought about it long and hard, but decided I want more minatures, but that is neither here nor there. What other people do with their money is up to them. For some of us, that cardboard and the special objective coins ends up being worth it over buying the models for some random game no one in our area/gaming group plays. You don't like the price points on a new edition of the game. Got it. Thanks for your input. Those of us who still enjoy this hobby will now go spray our money into GWs pockets.

I think his whole point was that those of us who "enjoy this hobby" can still spend money and get great value without spraying our money into GW's pockets, as opposed to the over-used chess line. -- i.e., Just because you think it's a waste of money to spend $340 on a collector's edition of the 7th edition 40k rules, doesn't mean you have to quit wargaming and play chess. It's a poor ultimatum because it implies that here's nothing besides 40k out there.

And while I'm at it, the "just because you're on a diet doesn't mean you should tell me not to have a donut" is partially bunk, too. Gluttony affects all of us by increasing healthcare costs, just like people blindly spending money on GW products no matter what the price allows them to keep charging more. That's why we're discouraging people from wasting their money on what we perceive to be a poor value -- because we believe it harms the community as a whole by decreasing cost/value ratio.

 TheKbob wrote:
I'd be kinda upset if my significant other spent that much money on such an item, then again, they'd know that I'd not want that.

I won't be buying it.

And I hate the instant "chess" analogy. It's lazy. We have a handful of other competing games with rules for cheaper and better written and balanced. And you can purchase the rules for three of them for he cost of the standard rule book.

You could have a starter army and the rules for three to four other Wargames for the cost of the GW special edition. You could have two armies for one and demo games to friends to try something new.

That's the value of the GW special edition. Fancy covers and cardboard or new games and models. $85 for rules is already asinine. $340 is reaching... Ludicrous. Speeeeeed.

I'd be more upset at my SO thinking they had any say in how I spend my money, but then again that might explain why it's been awhile since my last breakup...

And I haven't gone to the other games' subforms here. I don't play Warma/Hords, Infinity or any of the others (nor does anyone in my area), but I have to ask. Do people shill for GW or other games in those subforums the way people do in the GW sections? It's something I've noticed recently, lots of "wow this other game is soooooo much better and cheaper and gives ponies and blowjobs!", and I wondered if it's just in the GW subforums or is board wide?


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 slowthar wrote:

And while I'm at it, the "just because you're on a diet doesn't mean you should tell me not to have a donut" is partially bunk, too. Gluttony affects all of us by increasing healthcare costs, just like people blindly spending money on GW products no matter what the price allows them to keep charging more. That's why we're discouraging people from wasting their money on what we perceive to be a poor value -- because we believe it harms the community as a whole by decreasing cost/value ratio.

Value being an almost entirely subjective concept, so you're almost a literal example of the "stop liking what I don't like" meme.

Slow that - so, you perceive it as over costed / poor value, so others should agree? No. It seems rational debate is not possible really.

Having a doughnut is not correlated with gluttony, owe increased healthcare costs. Prove there is a correlation between people buying these le sets, and GW pricing strategy. Once you can do so, your opinion may hold some wapeight. Until then, your diet does not affect my ability to enjoy a doughnut, and your annoyance at that fact is irrelevant to me.

If you wanna buy it, buy it. If you don't wanna buy it, don't.

The fact they keep releasing limited edition stuff and people keep buying it, means that people actually enjoy limited enjoy GW products, just because you think its ludicrous doesn't mean they should stop selling these products.

Its so tiresome seeing a OMG I CANT BELIEVE GW ARE DOING THIS thread every time there is a release.

If you don't like the product as it is today, not the releases or the price in which they sell their kit, then don't play? Nobody cares if you don't play and quite frankly if your just gonna winge about releases etc(Which btw people do enjoy) then It would nice if you didn't play, or atleast post. Go play another game there are plenty of other Tabletop games out there.

I think the guy who spends £25,000 on a car which is gonna be halved in price as soon as he leaves the car lot, is absolutely out of his mind. Doesn't mean they should stop selling cars at that price.

This post wasnt aimed at the OP btw; And also I usually refrain from posting on these GW complaint threads, but everyone else seems to post THEIR opinion so I posted mine.

I'm not saying that we can't disagree on what has value and what doesn't, I'm simply stating that if something does have low value, buying it anyways is bad because it doesn't give GW an incentive to give its customers more value.

Sure, maybe you can afford to pre-order every limited edition book, model, etc, that GW comes out with. Hell, many of us could. However, when you do that, you're giving GW the green light to keep their prices high and keep raising them. Does it drive you out of the game? Probably not, but it drives others out, and that means less players overall, which eventually could cause the company to fold.

My point is, if you think LEs are some sort of fantastic value, then go ahead and pick them up. But if you're just blindly throwing money at them, then show some restraint and vote with your wallet.


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nosferatu1001 wrote:
Slow that - so, you perceive it as over costed / poor value, so others should agree? No. It seems rational debate is not possible really.

Having a doughnut is not correlated with gluttony, owe increased healthcare costs. Prove there is a correlation between people buying these le sets, and GW pricing strategy. Once you can do so, your opinion may hold some wapeight. Until then, your diet does not affect my ability to enjoy a doughnut, and your annoyance at that fact is irrelevant to me.

I am not contending whether or not you should have a donut, I am only protesting the the notion that other people eating donuts cannot possibly have have an effect on myself or the community.

I pre-ordered it Friday and wont be getting it till next Wednesday now.

Can't say I'm upset though because I get a free standard edition (going on eBay) and a £50 voucher, so I end up with the Munitorium edition for about half price.

Slowthar- however a number of them demonstrably do NOT have low value - AM, Dwarfs, etc. You're applying a sweeping brush to all le stuff and that makes for a poor argument.

It is the heart of capitalism this - GW are producing products that people are willing to buy at e price they set. That's good business sense.

 streamdragon wrote:


And I haven't gone to the other games' subforms here. I don't play Warma/Hords, Infinity or any of the others (nor does anyone in my area), but I have to ask. Do people shill for GW or other games in those subforums the way people do in the GW sections? It's something I've noticed recently, lots of "wow this other game is soooooo much better and cheaper and gives ponies and blowjobs!", and I wondered if it's just in the GW subforums or is board wide?

Well, two things.

1) It's not shilling. Whether you like the other games is another story, but they are all better products with better support from the writing and product standpoint. The aesthetic and what not is subjective.

2) No, because everyone in the gaming world knows about Games Workshop.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Slowthar- however a number of them demonstrably do NOT have low value - AM, Dwarfs, etc. You're applying a sweeping brush to all le stuff and that makes for a poor argument.

It is the heart of capitalism this - GW are producing products that people are willing to buy at e price they set. That's good business sense.

If you're contending GW has good business sense, we're not gonna get to any common ground here, so I'll respectfully bow out.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
I just dont understand what people have against other people buying it. Its like complaining that youre on a diet so someone else shouldnt have a doughnut....

Its not a waste of money to me - it makes a good present, that gets me husband brownie points, and is pretty. It also is a one stop shop, which as its own benefits, and means no need to buy the boxed set just for the small rulebook - i'll grab the digital version to have one less FAQ to worry about. Yes, it could bite if they swap to a 2 year cycle, however again - you dont get to extrapolate from one data point and claim the sky is falling. 6th was fairly unique in the level of expansion it received, and was the first to trial real building rules (remember the ruins rules for 4th that were appalling, that then got better in 5th?) so a short lifecycle seemed inevitable to me.

Colectors editions of codexes range from the incredibly pretty (Dwarf, Lizardmen, DA, IG) to the just-a-slip-cover efforts like Daemons (although there that was partly because there were 4 made, for the same pool of money, meaning each one couldnt be as expensive to produce as you lose the scale - basic economics). Again there, just get what you like the look of. They do take note of what doesnt sell (I have this second hand from two people int he studio, as they use this info like any business) and generally the quality has been improving.

I'm aware that I'm lucky that the money side of the hobby is mattering less and less as I get (much) older, same as Im less concerned about being competitive (tbh never hugely competitive anyway - I liked taking what I liked to play and honing THAT, rather than netlisting - I have to enjoy the army or else I just dont play it and definitely dont play it well)

I personally don't have a problem with other people buying this. I also don't have a problem calling them stupid. This post is so comical I really believe it is a joke. But since it may not be, and you said you don't understand what people have against you buying it, let me try to explain.

Your reasoning for buying it is absurd. Its no more absurd than people 'trading up' for the next iphone every time a new one comes out, but its absurd nonetheless.

It's your right to spend your money, don't get me wrong, but the thought that someone can rationalize devoting 300+ dollars worth of resources to this gimmick and actually bring up 'basic economics' in the same post is really hilarious.

Point by point.
1.) It makes a good present. ----

So does a $50 gasoline card. Would you pay $290 for a 'limited edition' gas card that was good for $50 dollars worth of gasoline? Wouldn't that be ridiculous?

2.) It gets me husband brownie points,

Assume you had the opportunity to buy the same limited edition gas $50 dollar gas card for $290, for your husband.

3.) Its pretty. -

What if the limited edition card had a really cute puppy on it? Ridiculous yet?

4.) It also is a one stop shop, which has its own benefits.

Absolutely no idea what that means. Not a good reason to pay 4x more than something is worse, for simple convenience.

10 dollars more? 20 dollars more? 50 dollars more? Maybe.

Imagine paying an extra $255 dollars next time you order pizza. Give this to the delivery guy as a tip for not making you have to leave the house and go to any certain place. Does that sound ridiculous, yet?

Again, you do whatever you want with your money. If these reasons make sense to you, god bless. The neurotic and compulsive buying of today's consumer is what makes the world go round these days, unfortunately.

But I have to call a spade a spade. You're paying $255 dollars for a box, 6 coins, and alternate artwork. It's really, really, not a good value, in any sense of the word. Its not a good investment from a collector's perspective because the value is almost impossible to exceed its buy in price.

Seriously if you were buying me this as a gift I would be pissed off. Just buy me the $85 dollar set and give me the 250 in cash. Give it to a homeless person. Do anything but give it to GW. Just my .02.

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:
I'm getting it, as I have gotten every collectors edition so far. No regrets.

Would love to see a pic of your library wall if you have one with all the books there.

As for me, I am not getting it.

I was actually going to pull the trigger on this (even after the price leaked) until I read the white dwarf and realized that it was a cardboard box AND the rulebook itself was a smaller size.

For that kind of money I expected the box to either be aluminum or hard shell plastic. The words "sturdy" just don't go along with cardboard...especially not in my house.

As it stands getting Visions, a cardboard box, a map and 6 metal coins isn't worth $232 over buying the rulebook, power cards and objectives separately . For that kind of money I can get , well, a lot.

That said, the 800 or so people in the world that has bought one: I hope they enjoy it.

KTG17 wrote:
I'm not. Jesus who would buy a $340 ruleset that will probably be considered broken in 6 months, and then worthless when 8th Edition comes out in 2 years.

I hate to be cynical, but what the hell. I dont know who I am annoyed with more, GW for pulling this crap, or the people who actually buy these and just encourage GW to keep doing it.

Understand that if these editions lasted like 5-6 years, I could say, sure, especially it its popular. But looking at GW's track record of late, just seems pointless spending money like this unless you have so much money that it doesnt seem like it.

I'm a little disappointed the Munitorum Edition doesn't include much, and particularly not anything of collecting value from what I can tell.

For $340 I would normally expect to get a carved wooden or etched metal case, a book that contains a lot of background art and design work in addition to the other books, a collectable and exclusive miniature (metal preferred), display/storage function that is made of sturdy and reliable materials, several foldout posters, and several other documents (a framable certificate of authenticity, a letter from the design team, some art foldouts, maybe an early preview of GW's future releases or a some prints of concept art). Optionally it could include objective tokens, specially made templates, specially made dice, a voucher for free ebooks from the Black Library, an additional book or piece of reference material and maybe multiple collectable miniatures, prototype miniatures, or variant miniatures.

I can understand spending $340 on a collectable item. Spending that on an item that looks like four average-quality books, a cheapo case, some styrofoam, one foldout poster, and six incredibly cheap-looking objective tokens is something I can't understand. Overall it seems half assed.

I give it a B- as a cheap item that doesn't look like it will hold its collectable worth. The market for collectable GW books was already oversaturated because they've released too many of them and this isn't any better. It has partially redeemed itself because of the unique nature of 7th edition and the fresh design aesthetic, but I'll pass.

Our store is getting it and using it as a grand prize for a tournament.

 streamdragon wrote:

This. Bought the Apocalypse CE that came with a backpack, the 6th CE that came with the brown bag (which I overloaded and ripped0 and some other CE that came with a metal box. Bought the Salamanders variant of the Space Marine codex too. I work hard for money, might as well spend it on neat things that I want.

Yeah, I bought limited editions that came with embroidered messenger bags, backpacks (with chaos and loyalist badges), and even a nice leather (ish) satchel. I bought the Warhammer Fantasy one that came with a Empire Soldier carrybag marked for Karl Franz. I loved all of those (and I use them as parts of my Warrior Priest/Imperial Preacher costume). I got the metal box as well.

I just think that this one is the most expensive, for the least justification. I mean, Fantasy Flight Games came out with limited edition Deathwatch Rulebooks for $200, but they were in this awesome detailed case, made of resin and metal, and came with personalized calligraphy.

This is $340 US for a cardstock box and some metal coins, as well as a SMALLER rulebook and an extra book? I feel like all of the 'old' gamers editions (which also came with dice and templates) were, if not a good value exactly, a reasonable premium for a lot of cool extra stuff. This seems like a very, very minimal amount of added content (you can buy the extra book outright) for a LOT of extra money.

Paying $300CAD for 6 coins, a map and case to hold it in, a cardboard box, and some different book covers hardly strikes me as a good deal in any universe.

But to each their own, I suppose. Some people like watching cars make left hand turns for hours on end.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
I just dont understand what people have against other people buying it. Its like complaining that youre on a diet so someone else shouldnt have a doughnut....

Because it's supporting the bad business practice of a company that will not only continue doing it if it works, but extend it further. It's like supporting day 1 DLC, games with horrible DRM, pre ordering games you don't know the quality of for ridiculous and meaningless bonuses, and so on. If people buy it, the companies find it profitable and continue doing it. If people don't buy it, the companies realize they need to be more reasonable about it.

They're not supporting child slavery, but their actions *are* having negative repercussions on others in the hobby by endorsing GWs actions, just as those that pre order video games result in less quality required by games developers since they know people will buy them sight unseen regardless.

VanHalen - reported, rule 1. Calling others stupid isnt exactly a great way to debate a point - tends to get your point, if you have one, ignored.

to rebut your asinine points:

1) A gas card is a gakky present. Give me the cash instead - same with any gift card / voucher, really. If you cant come up with a better present idea than a voucher - ESPECIALLY one for a basic commodity, like fuel - then dont get a voucher. Sheesh, way to apply no thought or effort there.

2) wow, great rebuttal.

3) People put a value on pretty, or prettier than X. Obvious point is obvious, but you gloss over this with the puppy comment. Hell, given half the hobby is how pretty models are, this shouldnt be a point that needs making, but I gues for some it bears repeating.

4) Your garbled set of sentences barely makes any sense, but presumably you missed the concept of convenience having a value all its own, and this value is subjective in the main. A lot of people dont understand paying ffor a taxi to get around london, when the tube and buses are cheaper and very, very good - just more inconvenient. You can easily pay more than 4x the cost (£20 versus £4) for "the same" journey. Are those people absurd, or stupid?

Overall you're also making a very basic analysis error to "improve" your argument - reducing each point to a single factor, and making the entire purchase uplift cost down to that single factor. Of course, thats crap from an objective standpoint, and is why I presented a set of reasons and not just one, but hey, your mocking of others stupidity looks even better when you make a crass, flawed from the start analysis, so keep at it!

Yonan - so this is a "new" thing then? Nope, no, its quite an old thing, as the prior collectors editions are proof of. So no "if it works" - it works. yet this "sky is falling" slippery slope argument hasnt exactly held up to much scrutiny.

Day 1 DLC means you have an incomplete game by design. Oranges to the ME Bowl of Petunias. If this LE got me special rules, or armies, that noone else that bought the normal version could get hold of, then your absurd comparison, that is insulting and baseless, may have some merit. it doesnt,.

Hell, if the ONLY way to get the rules on release day was to get the LE set, even then you may have a point - but it isnt. So you dont.

Slowthar - cant rebut the point so you duck out. Classic avoidance. this IS an example of good business sense - you take away nothing from "normal" customers, and give an additional revenue stream, presumably with a higher margin to offset the higher risk.

I guess all cars should have one specification - after all, different alloy wheels, that look prettier, cant be worth £900 (ooops, one of the most common options bought on my firms cars - prettier wheels). 3 colours of solid paint - metallic paint has no additional value, as it is just prettier. And so on.

Can I defend it as a totally rational spend? No. But then you cannot really defend any part of the hobby as a rational use of time and money. Guess you should all pack up and do something with greater objective value, like charity work. Play with cardboard cut outs (remember, a cardboard cut out compared to a model is just the same as a gas card with a puppy on it compared to one without) with books for hills - the plastic scenery for £X, infinitely more than the books I already have for another purpose, is also bad value, objectively.

And so on.

clively wrote:
For that kind of money I expected the box to either be aluminum or hard shell plastic. The words "sturdy" just don't go along with cardboard...especially not in my house.

It can be very sturdy. One of the vinyl labels I buy from uses a super heavy cardstock for their sleeves and its impressive how strong and solid the sleeve is. No seam splits happening here! If the GW card is up to that standard, I'd be impressed. Not £200 impressed, mind.

FinkleLord wrote:Our store is getting it and using it as a grand prize for a tournament.

Thats a pretty good idea. Something that people may not buy, but wouldn't say no to as a freebie.

Apart from some, who would apparently be pissed off at you. Each to their own I guess

Still, getting a standard rulebook and £50 to spend in store for a 5 day delay is also helping out....

I'm assuming that 7th is what 6th should have been and it was 6th that was rushed out, not this one.
As I got suckered into buying the limited edition of 6th, that's the last LE I'll buy, no matter how shiny. That one was far to big to use day-to-day, but this is smaller, so better. This time, all I want from the set are the rules and cards.
I'll get the eBook version on release day, and wait until the little DV rules are released.