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Medieval 2 was the pinnacle imo. Then it went downhill as it became more arcadey and buggy with each release. I definitely do not hold high hopes for more Creative Assembly games and will greatly advise against pre ordering them. If the reviews show them to be good then sweet, pick them up.

 Jidmah wrote:


I don't think you know how EA works. The game will be completely free, and you get to play a scout with a combat knife. Chainsword available for $5, bolter for $10, melta, lascannon or plasma guns, power armor for $15 each. If you buy the Space Hulk DLC for $39.99, you get tactical dreadnought armor and an assault cannon.

Have you seen GW's recent sales strategy; it's a match made in heaven!

Have you guys even played TW games? Medieval II is indeed the pinnacle as it has the same mechanics of Rome 1, but much better graphics.

Empire for me however, was the best TW game ever made (I logged 750 hours into it on steam) simply because of its scope. The first TW game where you really feel like you are involved in 18th century geopolitical conflicts. And graphically it is stunning.

As for 40k games...until Space Marine came out, really, the only series worth mentioning in the mainstream market was the DoW series. Everything else was a niche game barely anyone played.

 bhamade wrote:
The real question is where are the films? I think the Warhammer universe is as fertile as the Marvel one.

everyone knows who Superman is. You'd be hard pressed finding a guy on the street that can tell you who Abaddon the Despoiler is. Or Queek Headtaker.

But you can always look to The Lord Inquisitor for movie goodies.

 Purifier wrote:

 bhamade wrote:
The real question is where are the films? I think the Warhammer universe is as fertile as the Marvel one.

everyone knows who Superman is. You'd be hard pressed finding a guy on the street that can tell you who Abaddon the Despoiler is. Or Queek Headtaker.

But you can always look to The Lord Inquisitor for movie goodies.

There is Exterminatus as well:

 Kojiro wrote:
If I were GW...

The list continues

 bhamade wrote:
The real question is where are the films? I think the Warhammer universe is as fertile as the Marvel one.

Comic books have an appeal that grimdark gothic over the top sci-fi does not. You can make a movie with one dude in a super suit doing super things against a bunch of ordinary dudes for a safe amount of money. The money required to make a good 40k movie would be up there with Star Wars or Lord of the Rings films.

You see, I think if anything, that the Marvel movies have proven that you can have a multiple movie continuity and still hold people's attention. I also think that Warhammer 40k would be great for this but given the way things are, it's going to have to be an Imperial focus with some memorable villains in it from the Chaos side. This is where I think the Horus Heresy would be the best when it comes to movie material. The entire property has a more cinematic feel to it and there isn't a lot of explaining to do that you would have to do with 40k. I love the Lord Inquisitor project, the animation is spectacular, it involves my favorite faction of the Inquisition as well as the Grey Knights and the script is being written by Aaron Dembski-Bowden (Is it just me or did he take the Grey Knights from Ben Counter?) but the reason I am excited is because I know what is going on. A movie would have a lot of explaining to do even with the Horus Heresy but I really feel that HH would be a better movie franchise.

As far as video games, I also hope that Eternal Crusade does well. From how they have described the game it almost sounds like it is somewhere inbetween a MOBA and an MMORPG which will be pretty awesome.

I am equally surprised that GW hasn't made more of their property and pour so much into things like Black Library. The Horus Heresy especially has gotten a lot of good critical review and there can be a lot done with it.

Dark Omen is excellent! Much better than shadow of the horned rat imo. Its a pity that on new pcs the ice levels flicker so much they give you an anurism!

 Yonan wrote:
I've been playing through the Dawn of War games again lately, I hope Relic makes more of them. Ample room for 40k games... RTS, TBS, RPG, FPS, even MMO if done right. WHFB... the best I've played was a mod for Medieval 2: Total War which was pretty good. Call of Warhammer iirc?

Are you from the past? Well, welcome to 2014! I'm sure you'll find most of the world very similar to that which you came from.

However, in regards to the studio Relic Entertainment, umm... afraid I have some bad news for you...

I played Mark of Chaos, is was a fun game, but a tad easy, especially playing Empire; just have your handgunners firing and your melee troops hold the line and you'll break the morale of everything that comes your way. Still, it had an interesting characters, good story and cutscenes.

I also did play Warhammer online, the thing that made it stands is that you had 'multi-player' scenario/missions all over the main map and also the PvP area was also on the main map, so no need to wait for enough player to join a dedicated PvP map....but sometimes you'll stumble onto the PvP section and turns out there's a band of 15 roaming aorund and there's only you and another guy on your side....

 Psienesis wrote:

 Yonan wrote:
I've been playing through the Dawn of War games again lately, I hope Relic makes more of them. Ample room for 40k games... RTS, TBS, RPG, FPS, even MMO if done right. WHFB... the best I've played was a mod for Medieval 2: Total War which was pretty good. Call of Warhammer iirc?

Are you from the past? Well, welcome to 2014! I'm sure you'll find most of the world very similar to that which you came from.

However, in regards to the studio Relic Entertainment, umm... afraid I have some bad news for you...

While the parent company THQ went under, Relic was bought out by Sega. What this means for future 40k games from them, I'm not sure, but they're still here. They haven't been squatted yet

BladeSwinga wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

 Yonan wrote:
I've been playing through the Dawn of War games again lately, I hope Relic makes more of them. Ample room for 40k games... RTS, TBS, RPG, FPS, even MMO if done right. WHFB... the best I've played was a mod for Medieval 2: Total War which was pretty good. Call of Warhammer iirc?

Are you from the past? Well, welcome to 2014! I'm sure you'll find most of the world very similar to that which you came from.

However, in regards to the studio Relic Entertainment, umm... afraid I have some bad news for you...

While the parent company THQ went under, Relic was bought out by Sega. What this means for future 40k games from them, I'm not sure, but they're still here. They haven't been squatted yet

Relic still hasn't gotten the franchise though with most 40k games coming from other companies. After Space Marine, Relic hasn't produced any 40k games with Space Hulk, Storm of Vengeance and Eternal Crusade all being from different companies. It seems GW has spread the license out and seems to keep a hold of the license so that companies can't take advantage of it.

 Psienesis wrote:
World of Warhammer would never have happened. Warcraft, the RTS game series, would never have thrived as it did as its own, stand-alone game.

you reminded me of this. thank you.

BladeSwinga wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

 Yonan wrote:
I've been playing through the Dawn of War games again lately, I hope Relic makes more of them. Ample room for 40k games... RTS, TBS, RPG, FPS, even MMO if done right. WHFB... the best I've played was a mod for Medieval 2: Total War which was pretty good. Call of Warhammer iirc?

Are you from the past? Well, welcome to 2014! I'm sure you'll find most of the world very similar to that which you came from.

However, in regards to the studio Relic Entertainment, umm... afraid I have some bad news for you...

While the parent company THQ went under, Relic was bought out by Sega. What this means for future 40k games from them, I'm not sure, but they're still here. They haven't been squatted yet

Correct. Relic recently even updated Dawn of War 1 to remove Gamespy and port multiplayer over to steam workshop. They've confirmed they'll be removing GFWL in Dawn of War 2 + Chaos Rising for steam workshop in the near future too. DoW2: Retribution was already steam workshop. This shows that SEGA is willing to play ball with Relic to a decent extent which bodes well too which makes me very happy.

Yeah, as people are saying, there have been WHFB games.

I think the reason there aren't as many is nothing more than that a fantasy setting doesn't fit in as many genres as well. For example, I can't really imagine a fantasy FPS that would work well. People have definitely tried... but they tried and failed, largely. The only way to make it even sort of work is to make it third person and to have things be highly scripted (like in WoW), but that's pretty much the opposite of the reason people play FPSs in the first place.

There is some opening in RTSs, of course, but they're RTSs, which are falling rapidly out of style, and there's the possibility for empire builders, but those are all but completely dead by now.

I guess the problem is that it's a lot easier to make a fast-paced action game with guys running around with guns than blocks of infantry with spears.

Plus, there's been a long, and spotty history of GW's IP in games. For every dawn of war, there is a pile of other games that were just bad. Perhaps WHFB just hasn't had its lucky break yet.

Fantasy "FPS" usually have massive role playing elements, thus feeling completely different than your average shooter.

From a purely technological viewpoint, Skyrim and Mass Effect aren't that different, though one is a shooter and one is not. Some of the most successful games in fantasy settings (Elder Scrolls, Witcher, Gothic) have a first person or "over the shoulder" view and have shooting elements for magic and/or ranged weaponry and fail to implement any close combat mechanics more complex than clicking stuff to death with proper timing.

The main issue is WH40k being unique in almost everything it does, while WHFB is just one of many and every single aspect of the background has been done to death by everyone.

morpheuschild wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
World of Warhammer would never have happened. Warcraft, the RTS game series, would never have thrived as it did as its own, stand-alone game.

you reminded me of this. thank you.

Thats a great cartoon

I really enjoyed Mark of Chaos - especially the Skaven - Skaven are great I'd buy another one of these

When I want to play a Fantasy Game, I just play the Call of Warhammer Mod for Medieval 2 Total War.

Seriously, if you have Medieval 2 and do not have this mod, may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your crotch area and may your arms be too short to scratch.

I am shocked at the amount of people here ignoring this, but the best Total War ever to exist is based on Warhammer Fantasy:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?1377-Call-of-Warhammer

It is an absolute masterpiece. And they are soon to release v1.6, with skaven, tomb kings and more. If real life (including a war) doesn´t stop the people behind this...

Seriously, do a search for 'call of warhammer' in youtube


Of course, if Creative Assembly is to release an entire TW for WFB, that would be amazing. But this fan-made mod is stunning.

 Orblivion wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:
There is currently a Warhammer Fantasy game being developed by the Total War developer, Creative Assembly.

Source? That sounds amazing.

There was a press release in December of 2012 that announced Sega had acquired a WFB license from GW, and then last summer this popped up. http://www.creative-assembly.com/job/130905/associate-producer-warhammer

I don't think much has been revealed about the actual game though.

Now that is interesting. Hopefully it will be better than Mark of Chaos.

How is the new Kill Team? Space Hulk didn't grab me

 SHUPPET wrote:
How is the new Kill Team? Space Hulk didn't grab me

Kill Team isn't new, it was released on PS3 and maybe 360 too a few years ago. Regardless, its nothing special IMO.

 SHUPPET wrote:
How is the new Kill Team? Space Hulk didn't grab me

I watched TotalBiscuits video on it and it was enough to say "not only is this not worth paying for, it's not even worth pirating." Same with the ridiculous lane battle thing.
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It's a shame that Dawn of War 3 sounds like it's on indefinite hold and not in production. 1 and 2 were great and some of the proposed features such as building your army collection were interesting.

 Yonan wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:
How is the new Kill Team? Space Hulk didn't grab me

I watched TotalBiscuits video on it and it was enough to say "not only is this not worth paying for, it's not even worth pirating." Same with the ridiculous lane battle thing.
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It's a shame that Dawn of War 3 sounds like it's on indefinite hold and not in production. 1 and 2 were great and some of the proposed features such as building your army collection were interesting.

TB didn't make a review of Kill Team though...he did Storm of Vengeance, however, and that was pretty wretched.

I meant his video on Space Hulk if that wasn't clear sorry. Yeah I wasn't sure what the lane thing was called it was *that* uninspiring ; / I *think * know what Kill Team is and it seemed better but still quite bland. Very bargain bin but probably worth a purchase.

For anyone interested:
WTF is Space Hulk
The Codex Astartes Does Not Support This Game - Storm of Vengeance.

TB loves his 40k, he plays Dark Heresy with ITMEJP live on twitch in the 40k Roll Play series I think it's called. Considered kitbashing his character and sending it to him... but effort and all that ; p

Oh, Dark Heresy is great. Pity they can rarely have a session together now.
I suspect that might have something to do with starcraft, but I'm not sure.

They're all very busy people so lining up schedules is pretty hard sadly. Also TB being diagnosed with cancer recently (good prognosis though!) hasn't helped. I watch all TBs starcraft (the Sandisk Shoutcraft Invitational with Artosis last week was AMAZING!) but it doesn't seem like a huge time sink for him outside those large events.

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Warhammer 40K Eternal Crusade interrveiw by Polaris a couple ddays ago. Talking about the end of 2015 40k MMO. Big PvP focus sounds good!