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I love how you keep saying this list is really weak and it will be obliterated... admittedly I have made better lists but it is still a strong list.
It has 5! Av14. Plus a hardy flyer.
Nothing else is even avaliable to be shot at. That means 90% of most armies weapons are now useless.
It has what is pretty much considered an mc.
It has 8 objective sequred units, 4 of which are av14.
This is not a list that will get tabled easily.

Lets look at your original serp idea. You said 6-7 serps with 3 fragon squads at 1800pts. 3 fragon squads will kill ~2 raiders. As ninjafiredragon stated - the firedragons will now die. You now have nothing to harm the av14 left in your army.

You seriously underestimate other armies at your own peril. I have enough experience to know this works.

Lastly - yes it is tac.
Flyers can generally be ignored. It has plently of plasma and rending for anti-meq. It has lots of psybolt weponary for anti-troop. It has 5 mms, 5 tl acs (3 of which are st7), for AT. And it has mass fire power both in mass mid range and some high ap for MCs.
How much more TAC can you get? Great at killing zombie horde, flying bakery, nidzilla, deathwing, SERP SPAM and all other extremes all at the same time? Sorry but that isn't even possible.


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 ninjafiredragon wrote:
The eldar player would have trouble with Mephiston.

In fact back to the argument that you would table him with your serpent list. Mephiston says no.
Toughness 9 with 2+ armor makes the wave serpents cry, toughness 9 makes fire dragons sad. I just faced him and shot 7 fire dragons into him, and got 1 wound. (granted he had curbolos 4+ feel no pain, see below) So if your getting as close as you claim you would, mephiston would stop all over your face.


Also OP drop 105 points somewhere some how and take curbolo, he makes Mephiston near unkillable. 4+ feel no pain??? Yes please!

I may make it 2k again and take corbulo. Spending the 95pts on upgrading other squads. Good call.

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
The eldar player would have trouble with Mephiston.

In fact back to the argument that you would table him with your serpent list. Mephiston says no.
Toughness 9 with 2+ armor makes the wave serpents cry, toughness 9 makes fire dragons sad. I just faced him and shot 7 fire dragons into him, and got 1 wound. (granted he had curbolos 4+ feel no pain, see below) So if your getting as close as you claim you would, mephiston would stop all over your face.


Also OP drop 105 points somewhere some how and take curbolo, he makes Mephiston near unkillable. 4+ feel no pain??? Yes please!

In my ideal fairy scenario, Mephiston would be blocked in the transport, unable to emergency disembark.

I'd really have to play test it to see how wrong it can go, but I wouldn't take the risk of being assaulted if I can avoid it.


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Poly Ranger wrote:
I love how you keep saying this list is really weak and it will be obliterated... admittedly I have made better lists but it is still a strong list.
It has 5! Av14. Plus a hardy flyer.
Nothing else is even avaliable to be shot at. That means 90% of most armies weapons are now useless.
It has what is pretty much considered an mc.
It has 8 objective sequred units, 4 of which are av14.
This is not a list that will get tabled easily.

Lets look at your original serp idea. You said 6-7 serps with 3 fragon squads at 1800pts. 3 fragon squads will kill ~2 raiders. As ninjafiredragon stated - the firedragons will now die. You now have nothing to harm the av14 left in your army.

You seriously underestimate other armies at your own peril. I have enough experience to know this works.

Lastly - yes it is tac.
Flyers can generally be ignored. It has plently of plasma and rending for anti-meq. It has lots of psybolt weponary for anti-troop. It has 5 mms, 5 tl acs (3 of which are st7), for AT. And it has mass fire power both in mass mid range and some high ap for MCs.
How much more TAC can you get? Great at killing zombie horde, flying bakery, nidzilla, deathwing, SERP SPAM and all other extremes all at the same time? Sorry but that isn't even possible.

Ok, now I want to play you.

How? How are you moving the serpent only 6" for the disembark, then a 6" disembark with your troops to block the raiders hatch yet you WERENT assaulted by mephiston the previous turn despite only sitting 12" away?

Poly Ranger wrote:
How? How are you moving the serpent only 6" for the disembark, then a 6" disembark with your troops to block the raiders hatch yet you WERENT assaulted by mephiston the previous turn despite only sitting 12" away?

It's not even possible in v7, which begs the question of WTF were they thinking limiting transport like this.
The only way to pull it now would require 4 chassis just for blocking, and then a 18" away transport, move 6", rotate, disembark 6", melta 6" in a corner LoS. without leaving too much space between the WS and LR.

Sounds like crap compared to my previous plan and very hard to pull off during a real game.

morgoth wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:
How? How are you moving the serpent only 6" for the disembark, then a 6" disembark with your troops to block the raiders hatch yet you WERENT assaulted by mephiston the previous turn despite only sitting 12" away?

It's not even possible in v7, which begs the question of WTF were they thinking limiting transport like this.
The only way to pull it now would require 4 chassis just for blocking, and then a 18" away transport, move 6", rotate, disembark 6", melta 6" in a corner LoS. without leaving too much space between the WS and LR.

Sounds like crap compared to my previous plan and very hard to pull off during a real game.

Yea, Mephiston kind of ruins things.

Yeh I miss the days of 3rd when my dc with rhino would turbo 18", disembark 2" then assault 6"... AND THEN they would consolidate into another combat after pasting the unit they charged... there was a day, a long long time ago, when BA were seriously broken!

I was more thinking 4th/5th where I believe I could still do 12" disembark.. although disembark was rather short distance, it was still a tiny bit more threat range than 18" straight.

Sorry, we are in 7th now. And now, Land Raiders are good.

Stop living up the past please.

You should switch to DA and BA together. Take a power field generator on a librarian or techmarine and give 3 raiders 4+ inv saves. With the new FAQ it no longer just affects his own transport.

THat will help alot vs. the pods.

That sounds amazing. Does it really work ?

Yes it works. Was FAQ to not in the last edition but now with the new FAQ its no longer there. Basically it increases the 4+ inv from the raider hull giving all your raiders 4+ inv when within 3 inches of center.

 Glorywarrior wrote:
Sorry, we are in 7th now. And now, Land Raiders are good.

Stop living up the past please.

Haha that needs to be said to me more with life in general!


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 Icelord wrote:
Yes it works. Was FAQ to not in the last edition but now with the new FAQ its no longer there. Basically it increases the 4+ inv from the raider hull giving all your raiders 4+ inv when within 3 inches of center.

Now this with Iron Hands Spartans with ceremite armour will be absolutely insane!!!


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Especially with smash debuff - only haywire is effective against them now!

I was trying it with iron hands acchiles. its so dumb lol They are like unkillable! And scoring! lol

Master of the forge with ion stone and 3 servitors inside...


My mind just exploded!


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 Icelord wrote:
I was trying it with iron hands acchiles. its so dumb lol They are like unkillable! And scoring! lol

Arrggghhh. Ridiculous!


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Haywire (with the ability to get close), scarabs and vanquishers... lots and lots of vanquishers.
Is there anything else which can actually do ANYTHING?

Haywire is definitely bad but they have to get there! The achilles templates them to death!

I can see veiltek and 3 or 4 stormteks being a pain and swooping hawks. But thats it!

Instead of DA allies take a Skyshield or rely on 4+ cover and instead take guard with a bubble wrapping conscript blob around 2 or 3 spartans/achilles. With their firepower theu don't necessarily have to move much and guard make up the numbers.

That's not as fun as straight raiders!

Sounds like a bunch of different allies are needed to do that, and you have to keep them all together. that would make a knight errant happy.

It's only 2 detachments and they can stay up to 3 inches apart. You can only hit 1 at a time with the templates. Also s9 is not good vs armor 14

Sorry bring something back from the beginning but you should give the bunker a void shield and or ammo dump.

one flamer pointed at that will be sad times for the guys inside. the shield will help out a bit.

the ammo dump lets you reroll those 1s for gets hot which is handy.

Hmmm... how would av14 spam fair against further av14 spam? 4 monoliths, and 1000 points of warriors in an unbound list.

each raider only needs 4 sixes to be ruined.

Corbulo only gives a 5+ FnP

 Desubot wrote:
Sorry bring something back from the beginning but you should give the bunker a void shield and or ammo dump.

one flamer pointed at that will be sad times for the guys inside. the shield will help out a bit.

the ammo dump lets you reroll those 1s for gets hot which is handy.

No worries - it does have ammo dump.


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Big Mek Dattrukk wrote:
Hmmm... how would av14 spam fair against further av14 spam? 4 monoliths, and 1000 points of warriors in an unbound list.

each raider only needs 4 sixes to be ruined.

Doesn't need to be av14 or unbound. It will apply to any gauss, so no need for the monoliths. Necrons are the AT army of the game. And gauss would be the least of my concerns - stormteks with veilteks and in scythes would be worse. Followed by PE wraiths with destroyer lord. Its why I have highlighted throughout that necrons would be a hard counter. They always are to mech lists.

 raiden wrote:
Corbulo only gives a 5+ FnP

Actually, because of the wording, he gives 4+.

@icelord:Knight errant has a large blast melta. and 3 inches apart limits movement.

Poly Ranger wrote:
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Big Mek Dattrukk wrote:
Hmmm... how would av14 spam fair against further av14 spam? 4 monoliths, and 1000 points of warriors in an unbound list.

each raider only needs 4 sixes to be ruined.

Doesn't need to be av14 or unbound. It will apply to any gauss, so no need for the monoliths. Necrons are the AT army of the game. And gauss would be the least of my concerns - stormteks with veilteks and in scythes would be worse. Followed by PE wraiths with destroyer lord. Its why I have highlighted throughout that necrons would be a hard counter. They always are to mech lists.

the monoliths are there to teleport squads to where they can do damage. and unbound so that you don't have to pay for any leaders.

of course, monoliths, spyders, and scarabs would also be funny.

 Glorywarrior wrote:

 raiden wrote:
Corbulo only gives a 5+ FnP

Actually, because of the wording, he gives 4+.

@icelord:Knight errant has a large blast melta. and 3 inches apart limits movement.

Actually no. He gave a 4+_ back when FnP,was a 4+ period.

Look at the wording of the entry.

It is because the wording was written in reference to 5th ed (when ap2 also ignored fnp). I seem to remember the 6th ed BA faq made it clear that it was a 5+++. Now if they have overlooked it in the 7th ed faq, I suppose there is a way you could claim it... but it is a long shot. I wouldn't try it personally.

I had thought that they had never FAQ'd it, but I look at it and you guys are right. Sorry about that.