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 Ailaros wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Being Space Marines doesn't actually net them the best gear automatically, you know. They still have to beg and scrape and deal with the Mechanicum to get anything more than the basic stuff their techmarines can build.

It sure is a lot easier, though, when they can be all like "hey, we worship the same ideas as you that nobody else understands. Hit us up, bro".

Yes, well, thats the Iron Hands for you. My comment was about Astartes in general.

If you consider that a dreadnought is a technically a bionic body, I can't see how that's not an upgrade! Unless you want to do something other than wreak endless war of-course.

Every other marine sargent has a bionic eye and it doesn't seem to do them any harm but Commissar Yarrik has a bionic eye which shoots a melta blasts, I know which I'd prefer to have in the 41st millennium.

The quality of the equipment is what it's all about so I guess the real question is 'is the average bionic replacement installed by the Iron Hands better than the average biological equivalent'.

From the tabletop game I'd go with probably yes since they get a 6+ feel no pain which could translate into faster reflexes, subcutaneous Armour etc not just diminished pain sensitivity.

Bionics can also be repaired if damaged. Or augmented. Or improved further.

Iron_Captain wrote:Mentally, their angst and irrational hatred makes them a lot weaker than the average marine.

Hatred doesn't make you weaker, unless this is suddenly Star Wars.

PhillyT wrote:Bionics, even high grade bionics, have trade offs. While stronger, they would most likely be slower and less agile, so it would all come out even in the end.

Why? Machines can be fast too, you know.

Ultramarine vet wrote:Well.....if we set aside bionics for the moment, I would say they are just as strong as other Space Marines. I'm pretty sure its just their skin that is weak, but I don't know too much about the Iron Hands.

Their skin isn't weak. They're just your average Astartes, in terms of physiology. They believe "the flesh is weak" because it is inferior to machinery. Not because their flesh is specifically weaker than that of other Astartes. What they refer to as "the flesh" is all flesh, not just their own.

wtnind wrote:
Commissar Yarrik has a bionic eye which shoots a melta blasts

It's a laspistol, actually. Much less impressive.

Robotic servos are still stronger than marine flesh (JG even stated that if power were cut to the power armour, Marines couldn't move it), so I would say Iron Hands are stronger where they have bionics.

Off-topic, but I must give my praise for the Priscilla quote in your signature, Daba.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
Off-topic, but I must give my praise for the Priscilla quote in your signature, Daba.

I feel it was appropriate for this place.

wtnind wrote:
The quality of the equipment is what it's all about so I guess the real question is 'is the average bionic replacement installed by the Iron Hands better than the average biological equivalent'.

I think it depends on who's asking.