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Hollismason wrote:
I always get confused, what's the direction that you can join Daemons?

I know there's some weird way to get CSM characters or Chaos Daemon Characters to join a unit but I can remember how it works.

Maybe I am misremembering.

I think you can as long as the Daemon doesn't have "Demonic Instability".

I think...

Also this looks like it would be better as just an ally choice and not a full army.

Like

Chaos Sorcerer /w Term Armour Spell Familiar

Obliterators

Chaos Spawn

Chaos Cultist'

PS:

( I totally this was mentioned in the Daemon Thread lol)

I'm not so sure I'd agree with that...

Playtesting is definitely needed though.

Okay so Heralds can join Squads of Obliterators but not the other way around as long as they have the right Marks.

However there's no way except prophet of the voices , I think to make someone a Daemon so I don't think you could have a sorcerer joined to that unit and a herald.

 whembly wrote:

 Solosam47 wrote:
The dimensional key isn't the worst, DA have that torture device that once activated let's you use enemy teleporter beacons, I have never even seen that taken or even suggested to be taken haha

I play Dark Angels and I've never seen that wargear. Is that a ForgeWorld thing?

Back to the Key, yeah... it's 25 points, so it's not too badly priced. If I find that I need something else, it's the first one to go as I really don't mind DS'ing with scatter.

Special issue wargear> porta rack. The fluff is it's a portable torture device to get confessions out of the fallen, yes it's in DA codex. I'm not surprised you haven't heard of it that's how bad it sucks haha

you are mis-remembering, there's absolutely no way doc or csm can join each others units.

the torture rack is there, in the main codex.

@ whembly army list, that's pretty good, but instead of the allies
I'd run the mayhem pack, you get more deep strike and av 12 all at once!

Guess not then.

its so bad your eyes refuse to read it!! lol

 zachwho wrote:

@ whembly army list, that's pretty good, but instead of the allies
I'd run the mayhem pack, you get more deep strike and av 12 all at once!

Now that's an idea!

The problem... though... is that most of the tourny I go to limits armies to two sources.

thats true and i guess you really need that 3rd black legion sorcerer.

Whembly is going to try and take this list for a test drive tonight. I am sure he will post how he does. I hope he mathces up against orks. That would be some carnage on turn 1.

It's late so I'll make this quick...

I actually enjoyed this list quite a bit.

Matched up to a fully mechanized IG list.

His list from memory:
2x units of 3 Lemon Russ Tank Commander squads. (Pask as Punisher with 2x Vanquisher, other unit was Eradicator with 2x Battlecannon Russ).
2x unit of engineer and some dudes? (gave power of the machine spirit)
2x Basilicks
1x Manticore
2x Veterans (with plasma guns I think) in Chimera

I played the list I built previously in this thread (1850) and tweaked that list to add the Baledrake (i think I dropped one of the chainfist from a sorc) for 2000pts.


Psyhic Power from memory:
Ahriman: Tzeentch Primaris, Invisibility, Psyhic Shriek and "power to give unit fearless"
lvl 3 Sorc: Sanctuary, Santic Primaris, and Cleansing Flame ( no gates of infinity )
lvl 4 Sorc: That Memory wargear granting Sunburst, Endurance, Smite and can't remember the other power.

Seeing all those tanks on the table, I wasn't that optimistic. However, it took 3 turns for my opponent to concede.

Simply that Oblit unit with Invisibility+Endurance is devestating. In conjuction with the Maulerfield, it took two turns to destroy half of his army. Any units on foot, simply had no defense against massed psyhic shriek. Very effective unit even w/o getting Gates of Infinity.

The Maulerfield did extremely well... I don't think my opponent really appreciated how fast this guy moves as he spent some time shooting at the Hellbrute and Havocs.

The Havocs just not cutting it, even on cover (4+) in this game. I'm debating of just dropping them and add a Hadescanon Drake.

I'm also debating if I should convert the 3 hellbrute into that "Mayhem Pack" dataslate, which grants the following:
--It Will Not Die
--Mayhem from the Maelstrom: All of the units in this Formation must begin the game in Reserve. When making Reserve Rolls, make a single roll for the entire Formation. On a successful Reserve Roll, all of the units in this Formation arrive from Reserve by Deep Strike.
--Tormented Terrors: At the start of each of your Movement phases, make a single roll on the Crazed Table. All of the Helbrutes in this formation are affected by the result, even if they have not suffered a glancing or penetrating hit.

My only reservation in taking this formation is that it exposes my 2 maulerfiends and whomever starts on the table to concentrated fire.

It's different if all 5 av12 vehicles are on the table as it forces the opponents to make decisions.

*pondering about this*

Thanks Whembly!

If anyone else plays something like this list lets hear about it! Im hoping for good things since this is making me want to get back to the CSM side of chaos!

Are Mayhem packs considered one unit? Can't remember.

That looks like a cool list.

Hollismason wrote:
Are Mayhem packs considered one unit? Can't remember.

That looks like a cool list.

3 separate unit, but from the same formation which all comes in from one reserve roll (hence the need for comm relay).

This list played well. infiltrate + invisibility is a good replacement for "gates" and better than deepstrike. 3 Oblits + 2 Sorc + Ahriman FTW.

It's a super expensive unit. I tried it didn't like it. It's to expensive for my tastes, it worked well but my opponent managed a charge on it and just wrecked it.

Hollismason wrote:
It's a super expensive unit. I tried it didn't like it. It's to expensive for my tastes, it worked well but my opponent managed a charge on it and just wrecked it.

Assaulted by what?

hollimason prolly didn't know what to do without summoning his army in!!! lol

 whembly wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
It's a super expensive unit. I tried it didn't like it. It's to expensive for my tastes, it worked well but my opponent managed a charge on it and just wrecked it.

Assaulted by what?

Seerstar. He got a really good distance on the charge range.

I really like this deathstar but I feel anything that relies on a psychic power to be used effectively and costs this many points is too risky.

Maybe reduce it to just the sorcerer and oblits? You can still take ahriman but put him somewhere else, like a rhino or something.

Maybe instead of Obliterators, go with Terminators instead?

Also, that'd actually be decent as if your going for GOI , you have the possibility to get Hammerhand +2 ST isn't to bad.

I mean if you are gonna go heavy go heavy.

how would you load the terminators?

Well the problem is point efficiency if you go with a 5 man unit that's decked out with Combi-Meltas , Autocannons then your going to run the cost all the way up to the cost of 2 to 3 Obliterators which are more versatile.

So I'd either go small 3 Man w/ Champion , Combimeltas, maybe some lighting claws
or
Go Big

w/ a big 8 to 10 Man unit decked out and 2 Sorcerers w/ Terminator Armour , the unit having mark of Tzeentch as well and this way my H. Support is open up for 4 Maulerfiends since it requires a ally detachment. Then I'd take a Murder Pack Detachment

So something like
Ahriman ( Telepathy)
Sorcerer w/ Term w/ Spell (Sanctic or Telepathy)
Sorcerer w/ Term w/ Spell (Sanctic or Telepathy or Malefic)
Terminators
3 Cultists
4 Mauler fiends
Murder Pack if affordable

Although it's probably more affordable to do that with 3 Obliterators who you can give a 2+ invulnerable to which is fething lol. Basically, Cursed Earth and Sanctuary Stack. Sanctuary makes it difficult terrain or Dangerous I always forget but their slow and purposeful so it doesn't really matter. So if they have a Mark of Tzeentch, Cursed Earth and Sanctuary on them they'll have a 2++.

The Problem with GOI is it does scatter and you have no way with Chaos that I can remember that stops scatter on Deep strike. Unless I am mistake and there is some weird wargear Item in one of the supplements I am forgetting.

Also, you want to Black Legion with at least one of the Detachments for the 30 point item that gives you an extra level.

^Dimensional Key wargear from the main CSM codex is what you're thinking of... after killing a model, no more scatter for DS'ing and I believe it gives a 12" bubble of dangerous terrain around the unit.

I always forget about that as I never use it ever because it is terrible.

I also I always forget to mention this but if you are going Deathstar, you can actually give them a 2++ by using Sanctuary and Cursed Earth on the Obliterators although Invisibility and Sanctuary are probably enough.

Hollismason wrote:
I always forget about that as I never use it ever because it is terrible.

Yeah... hasn't been used yet by me either and debating on dropping it.

What's your thought on Helldrake with hades cannon for Anti-air?

I'm not a fan of it now. I'd rather take a Aegis with a Quadgun and man it with some dudes than a Heldrake at this point. It's still really good with it's flamer but I hate it's Autocannon.

My current favorite unit now is the Helfist Murderpack w/ Autocannons. Cause it's a vehicle squadron , which means I can cast divination on it or invisibility and it affects all 5 of them. Plus you get to pick the crazed result. It'd probably really compliment this "Deathstar" as you are probably going to get Invisibility.

If anyone is actually wondering

Ahriman
2 Level 3 Sorcerers w/ Term Armour and Spell Familiar
3 Obliterators w/ Mark of Tzeentch
5 Helbrutes w/ 3 Autocannons, 2 Scourges
3 Maulerfiends
3 Squads of Cultists
= 1823

Also, you want to take Daemonology if possible on the Sorcerers because you can summon in combat.

Some things I noticed when I played this

Force Weapons!!
Hammer Hand

=

ST 8 weapon for Ahriman
ST 6 Force Weapon for Sorcerers
ST10 for the Obliterators

Yeah... that's extremely intriguing... Helfist Murderpack that is.

Yeah it's pretty nice and my favorite thing right now. I'm going to keep trying out this Deathstar, maybe I got a bad "draw" on it.

Hollismason wrote:
Yeah it's pretty nice and my favorite thing right now. I'm going to keep trying out this Deathstar, maybe I got a bad "draw" on it.

Yeah, I thought I had a bad draw on my first opponent (IG parking lot) and I didn't even get GOI. But, my list really, REALLY forces the opponent to make decisions...

Does he:
a) shoot at the oblit+sorc? (likely Invisible/shrouded)
b) shoot at one of the three hellbutes? (or DS'ing 'brutes via that other formation)
c) shoot at one of the Maulerfield?
d) ...
e) profit?

Keep trying... I'm going to see if my brother can whip out his seer council list and have a go at mine.

 whembly wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Yeah it's pretty nice and my favorite thing right now. I'm going to keep trying out this Deathstar, maybe I got a bad "draw" on it.

Yeah, I thought I had a bad draw on my first opponent (IG parking lot) and I didn't even get GOI. But, my list really, REALLY forces the opponent to make decisions...

Does he:
a) shoot at the oblit+sorc? (likely Invisible/shrouded)
b) shoot at one of the three hellbutes? (or DS'ing 'brutes via that other formation)
c) shoot at one of the Maulerfield?
d) ...
e) profit?

Keep trying... I'm going to see if my brother can whip out his seer council list and have a go at mine.

What list are you running right now with it? Like what's the list over all?

I can say enough good things about the Murder Pack. Yes, it is 500 point ,but it's 500 points that's going to run roughshod over like everything. It can possibly get bogged down with like a huge mob of fearless.

Also with Power Scourges it can totally own stuff by dropping WS so you hit more often.

Also, remember walkers get Hammer of Wrath, plus it has a (character) that can issue Challenges.