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 cincydooley wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
I think the suit looks great and she looks great in it. She's clearly put on weight. Besides, WW has never looked like a female bodybuilder. Something more like a long, lean volleyball player build is a more realistic athletic shape for a woman anyway.

In all but her Linda Carter iteration Diana has had some pretty real definition in both her arms and her legs.

I think your exhibit supports my point more than yours, counselor. Even in the comic book world of exaggerated musculature, she's never been 'ripped.'


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 Mr Morden wrote:


Isn't she a demi-goddess? SO throwing tanks around sounds about right - let hope its as good as the Marvel films - DC still has a lot of catching up to do

I hope they never "catch up" to the drek that was the Thor films, Iron Man sequels, Incredible Hulk, etc.




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 Ahtman wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I just hope they don't make her a female Superman like they did in the comics. She wasn't born like us but she shouldn't be tank tossing either.

Didn't it leak that in BvS they were going the direction of Wonder Woman being a Kryptonian who was on Earth for a lot longer than Clark?

I think that the Amazonians were descendents of the survivors of the crashed ship they found in MoS, but that is just rumor.

It was a theory thrown out there by the guy on the Batman-on-Film site. That's all. He even followed up saying that it was just him talking after the nerdrage gakstorm that followed.

The thing is that both the prequel comic to MoS and Snyder's wife (the producer) have suggested that it's Supergirl (Kara Zor-El) who found her way to Earth on the ship. So to me it doesn't sound like they're related. I suspect the Amazons will have a different origin or be left somewhat unexplained. Are we even likely to see much of Paradise Island/Themyscera until the WW solo film?

 Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote:

However, why in the fething heck is she wearing wedges (heels with the solid one piece according to the missus)?

Because Batgirl wore stiletto heeled boots in that one movie no one mentions??

 gorgon wrote:


I think your exhibit supports my point more than yours, counselor. Even in the comic book world of exaggerated musculature, she's never been 'ripped.'

Gadot has none.

Again, refer to the photo I linked of Camille. That's how she should look.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote:

However, why in the fething heck is she wearing wedges (heels with the solid one piece according to the missus)?

Because Batgirl wore stiletto heeled boots in that one movie no one mentions??

Shhh... no one mentions it because it never happened.

On the subject if heels. It bugged me for a bit, also until the thought hit me that this is in a movie where people fly, shoot heat rays out of their eyes, fly invisible planes(possibly), have rope that forces people to tell the truth, are fast and tough enough to fend off bullets with braclets, etc.
After all of the above and more, a set of heels is really nothing.

Relapse wrote:
On the subject if heels. It bugged me for a bit, also until the thought hit me that this is in a movie where people fly, shoot heat rays out of their eyes, fly invisible planes(possibly), have rope that forces people to tell the truth, are fast and tough enough to fend off bullets with braclets, etc.
After all of the above and more, a set of heels is really nothing.

I don't think it's so much like "Oh there's no way she can fight in a pair of heels", for me it's more, she's a warror first and foremost. She's trained in combat since birth practically, she'd know that sturdy footwear is just as important as any shield or sword. I just can't imagine anyone who's ever trained for combat would think heels were an acceptable form of footwear.

Relapse wrote:
On the subject if heels. It bugged me for a bit, also until the thought hit me that this is in a movie where people fly, shoot heat rays out of their eyes, fly invisible planes(possibly), have rope that forces people to tell the truth, are fast and tough enough to fend off bullets with braclets, etc.
After all of the above and more, a set of heels is really nothing.

Thing is, those are lumpable under "Superpowers". The ankle-breakers are just there to make her calves look toned. Superpowers or no, wearing those things in a fight IS FREAKING STUPID.

I don't recall her wearing heels (in combat) in the comics; it doesn't make sense for her character. It isn't a deal breaker but it is kind of stupid.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I just hope they don't make her a female Superman like they did in the comics. She wasn't born like us but she shouldn't be tank tossing either.

Isn't she a demi-goddess? SO throwing tanks around sounds about right - let hope its as good as the Marvel films - DC still has a lot of catching up to do

Hercules and Perseus couldn't do any of that stuff and they were actually said to be demigods. So no, throwing tanks sounds about wrong.

Besides, back in the 80s and before she didn't have Superman like strength (usually) and couldn't survive in space or even fly on her own. She's been on a slow power creep (like Codex creep in 40k) for some time now.

 Ahtman wrote:
I don't recall her wearing heels (in combat) in the comics; it doesn't make sense for her character. It isn't a deal breaker but it is kind of stupid.

I think you (and I) probably weren't old enough to remember her in heels. It looks like she did back in the day. I was around 4 when this was on racks:



You know how hard it is to climb a rope ladder in 4 inch heels? The trick is to hold your foot completely sideways so the heel and the toes are lined up on the rungs.




More contemperary ones show her in flat boots.



Tangentally related to "Wonder Woman heels":

 cincydooley wrote:
I thought Gadot was going to "get fit" for the role. She's still so very skinny.

She's just waiting.

No, she's just a skinny person.

Pumping iron gives you muscle. It doesn't, and can not, change your actual body-shape. It can't give you an ass, or change your hip-waist ratio.

Lifting weights will make her arms and legs a little bigger, or more tone, and will give her a flat stomach. It's not going to give her Diana's body-type. Even adjusting for comic books' absurd female-proportions, it won't give her the body shape to be Diana.

But oh well. I've already accepted that that's going to be the case. The only thing I have left to hope for is that the character will at least be well written, and not just be "the chick" while Superman and Batman do all the "man business".

 BlaxicanX wrote:

Pumping iron gives you muscle. It doesn't, and can not, change your actual body-shape. It can't give you an ass, or change your hip-waist ratio.

Actually both of those things can happen, they just take way more time than would be available in preparing for a movie role.

Not to the degree required, even with infinite time. Your body-shape isn't defined by just fat/muscle ratio; bone structure plays a large part of it. You can't drastically alter your body shape in the way she'd need to to resemble Diana anymore than lifting weights would make me tall enough to resemble Shaq.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Not to the degree required, even with infinite time. Your body-shape isn't defined by just fat/muscle ratio; bone structure plays a large part of it. You can't drastically alter your body shape in the way she'd need to to resemble Diana anymore than lifting weights would make me tall enough to resemble Shaq.

That depends on age as the development of skeletal muscle has a significant on skeletal growth, but we're getting OT.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
No, she's just a skinny person.

Pumping iron gives you muscle. It doesn't, and can not, change your actual body-shape. It can't give you an ass, or change your hip-waist ratio.

Actually, it very much can... However, this change only happens within the form of the body type the person already has, whether it's Endomorph, Ectomorph or Mesomorph:




What working out will do for her, depending on whether she is one type or another, is definitely provide more definition, which is what some here are sort of complaining about.

I doubt it matters that she isn't physically that huge. Look at Hugh Jackman - tall actor, short Wolverine, lots of camera tricks pulled it off. Same for Chris Hemsworth, who isn't a gigantic guy.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Actually, it very much can... However, this change only happens within the form of the body type the person already has, whether it's Endomorph, Ectomorph or Mesomorph:

"You actually can change your body-type, it's just that change will only be within the parameters of your body-type."

. . .

 Ouze wrote:
I doubt it matters that she isn't physically that huge. Look at Hugh Jackman - tall actor, short Wolverine, lots of camera tricks pulled it off. Same for Chris Hemsworth, who isn't a gigantic guy.

I don't think anyone cares if she's huge or not. I've noticed that alot of people seem to care that she's flat as a board and basically size zero with toned arms, though.

Eh. I think she looks fine physically.

Porn did it better. In any sense of the word.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

I don't think anyone cares if she's huge or not. I've noticed that alot of people seem to care that she's flat as a board and basically size zero with toned arms, though.

She's a runway model, that's basically par for the course.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Actually, it very much can... However, this change only happens within the form of the body type the person already has, whether it's Endomorph, Ectomorph or Mesomorph:

"You actually can change your body-type, it's just that change will only be within the parameters of your body-type."

. . .

Shape... the guy I quoted was talking about body shape.... Again, you can change your SHAPE, within the TYPE of body you have. Yes, It's harder for ectomorphs to put on bulk and look like Ronnie Coleman, but they can look just as defined, and be as strong. on the flip side, it's extremely difficult for a Mesomorph to end up looking like Bruce Lee, because when they workout, they tend to bulk up easier than slim down.

You're technically right, but I think the distinction between "body-shape" and "body-type" is pretty semantic for a discussion where the people involved aren't, like... physicians or something.

 Ouze wrote:
I doubt it matters that she isn't physically that huge. Look at Hugh Jackman - tall actor, short Wolverine, lots of camera tricks pulled it off. Same for Chris Hemsworth, who isn't a gigantic guy.

Hemsworth is 6'4" and muscular, so he's hardly a little guy.

Huh. He seemed a lot more normal size in Cabin in the Woods.

 Ouze wrote:
Huh. He seemed a lot more normal size in Cabin in the Woods.

He might have been slimmer in the movie. He had a role where he played a race car driver where he had to slim down considerably.

Also his other co-stars were at least slightly taller than average in the case of the blonde and the stoner, a few inches above average like the lead girl, and fairly tall like the other guy who was 6'2".

I've disagreed with the casting of Gal Gadot from the very beginning. My disagreement stems from that, imo,:
A)She isn't a very convincing actress
B)She has the wrong body type
and
C)While she may have served in the Isreali defense force her performance in the Fast and the Furious franchise left me unconvinced as to her being able to carry an action movie.

If DC wanted someone convincing then they had 2 candidates from the last Superman movie.

Antje Traue for a modern Wonder Woman

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1662644/

And

Ayelet Zurner for an Isreali Defense veteran with a more classic look. Though she would need to tone up as much as Gal for the part.
http://www.heyuguys.com/images/2013/06/Ayelet-Zurer-in-Man-of-Steel.jpg


Fortunately for DC the new Fantastic Four movie looks like it will be the worst comic book movie since the first Hulk . If they come out at the same time it will either be good for this Wonder blunder or they just might kill of any future comic hero live action films.

Later,
ff

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

Relapse wrote:
On the subject if heels. It bugged me for a bit, also until the thought hit me that this is in a movie where people fly, shoot heat rays out of their eyes, fly invisible planes(possibly), have rope that forces people to tell the truth, are fast and tough enough to fend off bullets with braclets, etc.
After all of the above and more, a set of heels is really nothing.

Thing is, those are lumpable under "Superpowers". The ankle-breakers are just there to make her calves look toned. Superpowers or no, wearing those things in a fight IS FREAKING STUPID.

What I am talking about,though, is suspension of disbelief. If you can accept the story premise that people have these powers, what's the deal with heels? Maybe they're needed for some secret Amazonian fighting style that involves giving a short person that extra couple inches of height that allows them to kick someone up the side of the head! Or maybe Wonder Woman has a height complex!
To me the whole heel rage is, as it says in the bible, "swallowing a camel, yet straining at a gnat".

What is so distinctive about Wonder Woman anyway? People seem to fear that she might be "Super WoMan" but...well...what makes her so different? She has super-strength and a Lasso of Truth (dear lord...). So...?

I hope they never "catch up" to the drek that was the Thor films, Iron Man sequels,

Nice joke - considering the dull, turgid, overlong, characterless crap that passes for Nolens work......

I odnlt have any issues with her having super strenght (or not) if she has divine (or inhuman) heritage then thats enough for me. Lets face most of recent superman/Kryptonian powers made no sense - if people are fine with their powers - Amazonians can have anything they want.

If she is "just" a well trained human then yeah there should be limitations...............