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Relapse wrote:

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

Relapse wrote:
On the subject if heels. It bugged me for a bit, also until the thought hit me that this is in a movie where people fly, shoot heat rays out of their eyes, fly invisible planes(possibly), have rope that forces people to tell the truth, are fast and tough enough to fend off bullets with braclets, etc.
After all of the above and more, a set of heels is really nothing.

Thing is, those are lumpable under "Superpowers". The ankle-breakers are just there to make her calves look toned. Superpowers or no, wearing those things in a fight IS FREAKING STUPID.

What I am talking about,though, is suspension of disbelief. If you can accept the story premise that people have these powers, what's the deal with heels? Maybe they're needed for some secret Amazonian fighting style that involves giving a short person that extra couple inches of height that allows them to kick someone up the side of the head! Or maybe Wonder Woman has a height complex!
To me the whole heel rage is, as it says in the bible, "swallowing a camel, yet straining at a gnat".

Superpowers: Don't exist in the real world. There are no physics they need to apply to, as the basic concept of the movie is "This person breaks the rules, it's why you are watching".

Heels: Do exist in the real world. We know how physics apply to them (g=-9.81m/s^2). They exist to add tone and height to a woman's legs. We know they are detrimental to a fight. So why would Wonder Woman wear what would really be a handicap in a fight? Because the producers decided that she needed "Sexin-up". That's what's frustrating about heels; they are suggesting that we aren't getting a tough, competent female character. Instead, we get a pin-up girl.


I actually wouldn't be bothered if they were running them with a really campy Blue-and red ensemble. In that case, the whole costume is ridiculous enough that Heels keep to the same mood (Campy). However, in toning the colour palate down, they are declaring that they want to have a more serious looking costume... Only to trip over the heels. It's like they went "Hey, all these successful movies turn down the camp, lets do that!" without really understanding what went into it.

Here's a slight recoloring to the original image from screenrant.com (I was wondering if anyone had tried recoloring the costume, and found this one in a google search).

Just to show that the muted colors may be more a product of this stylized image than the costume itself, we’ve re-saturated the photo to show that the red, blue, and gold colors are still very much at work in the design. See what you think:

Yep, looks better than the various shades of brown the original picture shows.

 Ahtman wrote:
I see they are still going with the very dull color palette. Wonder Woman: 50 Shades of Brown.

Spoiler:

Sauce

I support this.

 Ouze wrote:
Huh. He seemed a lot more normal size in Cabin in the Woods.

He's tall, but not big. His reported weight is ~210, which is rather skinny given his height of 6'4. And he, like many actors, has dropped weight for given roles. It's also common for male actors to carry most of their weight in their upper body, as that's what gets shown on screen.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Actually, it very much can... However, this change only happens within the form of the body type the person already has, whether it's Endomorph, Ectomorph or Mesomorph:

Isn't the idea of those body types considered as medically sound as chiropractics? I recall it being called out as inaccurate, but don't recall much else tbh.

I actually don't mind it-they've had a lot of super heroines able to fight in heels, and it's been prominent in the Injustice game (batgirl, Catwoman, Wonder Woman, etc). The heels look thick, which'll give better balance. I don't mind her look at all. I actually think ALL the costumes look good. I think the director sucks, which makes me leery, but of all the complaints and fears I have, the costumes are way down on the ladder.

Also, in N52, she's the daughter of Zeus and an Amazonian. Perseus and Hercules were both Zeus and a human. She should be more powerful than both of them because of her mother's added abilities.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Actually, it very much can... However, this change only happens within the form of the body type the person already has, whether it's Endomorph, Ectomorph or Mesomorph:

Isn't the idea of those body types considered as medically sound as chiropractics? I recall it being called out as inaccurate, but don't recall much else tbh.

ya know, I'm really not sure... I think it could be one of those things where, similar to BMI, it can give you a good "big picture" but when used on an individual level isn't very useful?

I was hoping for it to be the various shades of brown; Wonder Woman started out as an Amazon Warrior who then came to america to act as a diplomat, correct?

Would have been kind of cool to see her going from "Rank and File Demigoddess" into "Ambassador to the Red White and Blue in Red White and Blue".

Most of my wonder women knowledge comes from the recent DC animated film with Nathan Fillion in it. She seemed pretty darn kickass in that.

The plot there was her mother prayed to Zeus for a child, he bade her to fashion a daughter out of sand and clay, which was given life to by a lightning strike.

It also included her being dressed in the USA colours because Nathans character was an American pilot that crashed there and she was to act as an ambassador by returning him home.

 Compel wrote:
Most of my wonder women knowledge comes from the recent DC animated film with Nathan Fillion in it. She seemed pretty darn kickass in that.

The plot there was her mother prayed to Zeus for a child, he bade her to fashion a daughter out of sand and clay, which was given life to by a lightning strike.

It also included her being dressed in the USA colours because Nathans character was an American pilot that crashed there and she was to act as an ambassador by returning him home.

It's a mixture of the Golden Age(the plane crash part) and Modern Age(her being made from clay) origins.

Well.. its sorta of like the DCNU costume.. which isn't too bad, but totally cast the wrong woman to play Wonder Woman, needed to find a lady who looks like she punch Bat's into the ground if she wanted to.

When my wife is saying 'give that woman a sandwich' you know its not a great casting call.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Well.. its sorta of like the DCNU costume.. which isn't too bad, but totally cast the wrong woman to play Wonder Woman, needed to find a lady who looks like she punch Bat's into the ground if she wanted to.

When my wife is saying 'give that woman a sandwich' you know its not a great casting call.

So you want someone whose big as a house to play Wonder Woman instead of someone with acting skills? Isn't that the same argument against Chris Hemsworth as Thor?


(Disclaimer, I've never heard of this lady whose playing Wonder Woman, but I'd much rather have someone who can act over someone who looks the part when the looks can be altered when needed)

Chris Hemsworth is one of the reasons I really like the Thor franchise so that's a terrible example tbh, but I'm not sure where you are coming from. Chris is an excellent point, he put on a lot of muscle for Thor, why should a female lead be exempt? Oh and Gal is hardly known for her awesome acting skills.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Chris Hemsworth is one of the reasons I really like the Thor franchise so that's a terrible example tbh, but I'm not sure where you are coming from. Chris is an excellent point, he put on a lot of muscle for Thor, why should a female lead be exempt? Oh and Gal is hardly known for her awesome acting skills.

He's playing a Norse God, supposed to stand head and shoulders over everyone else in Mythology, and yet is played by someone who is barely taller than anyone in the Avengers. Chris was a choice based on acting and not physical presence.

Also, Heath Ledger was also decried as a terrible choice for Joker, but we all saw how that turned out.

Give her a chance.

I hated Heath's Joker.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
I hated Heath's Joker.

And you are in the minority on that one

Depends if you are talking to comic fans or not, I find most comic fans thought he made a fine anarchist character, but he was in no sense of the word, the Joker.

 Slarg232 wrote:


He's playing a Norse God, supposed to stand head and shoulders over everyone else in Mythology, and yet is played by someone who is barely taller than anyone in the Avengers.

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Well now you just don't know what you're talking about.

Renner 5'10
Downey Jr 5'9
Chris Evans 6'0
Ruffalo 5'8

At nearly 6'4 Hemsworth IS a head taller than all of them, save the one that is the genetically enhanced super soldier.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Depends if you are talking to comic fans or not, I find most comic fans thought he made a fine anarchist character, but he was in no sense of the word, the Joker.

So tell me, which of the following is the Joker?

cincydooley wrote:

 Slarg232 wrote:


He's playing a Norse God, supposed to stand head and shoulders over everyone else in Mythology, and yet is played by someone who is barely taller than anyone in the Avengers.

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Well now you just don't know what you're talking about.

Renner 5'10
Downey Jr 5'9
Chris Evans 6'0
Ruffalo 5'8

At nearly 6'4 Hemsworth IS a head taller than all of them, save the one that is the genetically enhanced super soldier.

The only person he's a full head taller than is Scarlet.

And just so you don't say "It's a bad picture":



In both, you can clearly see that Hemsworth, while taller, isn't "Head and shoulders" taller than anyone but the Black Widow. Is he taller? Yes. Is he as tall as he should be? No.

 Slarg232 wrote:


In both, you can clearly see that Hemsworth, while taller, isn't "Head and shoulders" taller than anyone but the Black Widow. Is he taller? Yes. Is he as tall as he should be? No.

Problem is, how many actors out there are 6'7" + in height, or tall enough to literally be head and shoulders taller, AND have the skill, physique and presence to appropriately play the character? There's a reason films are edited/shot in such a way to portray the characters how they "should" be seen.

And I think that's why so many people, here anyways, are drawing such criticism for the casting of WW... It would appear that in order to provide her an appropriate level of "Amazon Warrior", she'll either need to work out a helluva lot more, OR they're gonna need to do something in the editing room.

This:
isn't what people are "hoping for"

rather something more like:

Yeup. Or like the chick I linked above.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Depends if you are talking to comic fans or not, I find most comic fans thought he made a fine anarchist character, but he was in no sense of the word, the Joker.

Considering that the Joker constantly reinvents himself, comic fans are talking out their rears on that one.

This person doesn't look like a body builder but she looks like a fighter. She also looks like she could fight Ares with being scared.




I'm not convinced that the Gal Godot in the pic as Wonder Woman does either of those things. It may be different in motion, but she still doesn't quite come across as a warrior of any type, but a supermodel looking angry while doing cosplay. Hopefully it works out in the final product. There were a lot of issues in MoS, but the did a good job with Faora.

Very well said Ahtman. Agreed on all points.

So a picture to show off wonder woman where she doesn't have even a hint of definition in her arms and legs. Good call.

I've adjusted to Afleck as Bats. His recent work and his love for the character makes me cool with it. I don't think I'll ever be cool with Gadot as WW. Not when she was in a film side by side with a better one or there are people like http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1335291/?ref_=tt_cl_t2 (Missy Peregrym) who have shown they can have the required muscle tone and presence.

Meh....

Oh, and I agree with Ahtman.

Even more frustrating is that Missy was pretty vocal about being more than willing to play Diana.

Shame.

Muscle tone contributes nothing to a fight. A casual glance informs me that Gadot's put on more muscle than the average woman, but the problem, if it is one for you, is that she has a naturally very lean build.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

And I think that's why so many people, here anyways, are drawing such criticism for the casting of WW... It would appear that in order to provide her an appropriate level of "Amazon Warrior", she'll either need to work out a helluva lot more, OR they're gonna need to do something in the editing room.

This:

Spoiler:

isn't what people are "hoping for"

rather something more like:

Spoiler:

Couldn't agree more. The girl on the right is a ring girl, though, so that's not the best comparison. Gal Gadot just needs to bulk up a little bit, IMO.

@Voiddragon

A naturally lean form would actually make it easier to see cuts in her arms and definition in her legs. Is she above her normal 110lbs? Probably. But she pales in comparison to women generally doing similar roles (i.e. action).

As for her body build lean generally means you can get cut arms and defined legs more easily. Not bulk but definition, which would have gone a long way on her looking the part.

And since they didn't pick her for her "acting" abilities it's an even bigger issue.

Her leanness is a problem because she's like a size 1 (internet lists her as a 0, but, benefit of the doubt), and there's not a whole lot pumping iron can do to change that.