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2014/08/24 20:48:24
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
I have a friend whose also been having trouble. He logged in one day and his Battlefield 4 was gone. He called customer support who restored his Battlefield 4 but then his ME3 was gone! And when he got his ME3 back his Titan Fall disappeared.
Honestly, the bright side is that my dream, my one dream, that EA's servers will implode and suck their entire offices into the abyss, might actually happen
Ouze wrote: I really enjoyed Dragon Age 2, even with the somewhat dumbed down mechanics.
DA2 was a mediocre game. It was received extremely negatively because of being the successor to DA:Origins which was an outstanding game. It was a mediocre game, but a terrible successor. Still, calling it the "pinnacle of RPG" etc. was just...well...it paid well, I hope
I liked DA2 over DAO. The reason for this is that I liked the party composition and characters significantly better in DA2. I think in this sort of AI, party based game, having likeable teammates is one of the most important things, and I think DAO failed that test pretty bad. Perhaps I just picked poorly, but I would up with Aleistair and Morrigan bickering incessantly, which was just annoying, and Leliana's godawful accent.
In DA2 I had much more likable characters, in my opinion. Merill, Aveline, Varric, all a million times better and it made up for the repetitive scenery and backstabbing-from-any-direction.
I'm aware that most people like DAO better. Metacritic has DAO at 86, and DA2 at 79 - so either 7 points separates outstanding from mediocre, or maybe you're being unduly harsh on a good, but not great, game.
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2014/08/24 21:18:41
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Mechanical Crow wrote: Edited by AgeOfEgos---even if you are not directing such language to the person in question---let's refrain from using that--thanks.
Ryan
Do you guys have what I wrote? I can re phrase it. I honestly don't even remember what you guys deleted, just in case I had a decent point in there.
Mechanical Crow wrote: the failings of modern feminism (or misandry as it seems) and the wilful ignorance and insanity of the social justice warriors.
You're rushing ahead here. Feminism has not been involved until Zoe Quinn instrumentalized it. Zoe Quinn did not get the hate for being a woman - she caused all of it by faking a "raid" on her and false claimed having been harassed. She then went straight to the town square, jumped on an orange box and shouted "MISOGNY! MISOGNY!". That's the disgusting part of the entire story. News outlets immediately jumped on the misogny bandwagon because it's a story that sells well.
That's the second sad part: so many big gaming journalism sites reacted in an extremely sexist way - positive sexism. They immediately went full-protective mode and victimized Zoe Quinn just because she's a woman. That's sexism as well. It's what she wanted but it's still highly sexist. Only at this point did her gender start to play a role.
Zoe Quinn is NOT a feminist and she, in no way, represents modern feminism. She represents a sad woman who sleeps with guys in order to get media coverup and who willingly sacrifices the credibility of other fellow female developers on the altar of publicity by playing the sexism-card. That's not feminism, that's sexism.
I mean more so the reaction to this, like the instant reaction that all this is an attack on her and that we are all being "Evil racist white supremacist misogynistic trolls that fill the male dominated gamer community" and just all the reaction from the journalists/insiders/Reddit mods involved. Its like they are trying to turn it into an attack on her, which I have no doubt will be the eventuality.
+ Her paetreon is paying her $2000 a month (up $700 from before this broke) with many of the people involved funding it. Its so messed up. Im sure Kotaku will just claim to be a critic based blog despite their boss having a masters in journalism.
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LordofHats wrote: I have a friend whose also been having trouble. He logged in one day and his Battlefield 4 was gone. He called customer support who restored his Battlefield 4 but then his ME3 was gone! And when he got his ME3 back his Titan Fall disappeared.
That sort of nonsense is the only reason I haven't bought Titanfall yet, despite the fact that it is exactly the sort of game I love.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
2014/08/24 21:30:50
Subject: Re:Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
ME3 was an improvement for me over ME2. Not the perfect improvement, but a much improved improvement I'm waiting for reviews, but yes my faith is weak. Even after it releases, it would require me to redownload Origin, which I will happily do when they give me back my ME3, which I still can't play because Origin is a piece of trash!
Preach it brother. I still can't access, or even repurchase, any of my DLC for DA:O and EA's customer support told me "It is a known issue we do not intend to fix.". That alone has me waffling on whether or not I'll even buy the damn game.
Thankfully Witcher 3 is quickly approaching.
Whaaaa?
You can't access your DA:O DLC on origins?
Makes me glad I got DA:O Ultimate Ed. on Steam. Though it did inexplicably take an entire YEAR for me to get the DLC working...
2014/08/24 21:36:15
Subject: Re:Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
I liked DA2 over DAO. The reason for this is that I liked the party composition and characters significantly better in DA2. I think in this sort of AI, party based game, having likeable teammates is one of the most important things, and I think DAO failed that test pretty bad. Perhaps I just picked poorly, but I would up with Aleistair and Morrigan bickering incessantly, which was just annoying, and Leliana's godawful accent.
fething Alistair. The only reason he wasn't the most annoying character was the fact that Leliana existed.
Morrigan was pretty cool, though that's largely because Claudia Black's voice is distilled sex.
And Shale was awesome. Shame I can't ever experience that awesome again due to EA being useless.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
2014/08/24 21:39:38
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Morrigan was basically the Brian/Lisa Simpson of dragon age, felt like a character that the developers invented to shove their anti-religion views in the players face, and made her cool, and always right and sexy. All the religious characters they tried to make parodies of themselves. Zevran and Isabella were the same in their respective games. Annoying forced messages.
We're watching you... scum.
2014/08/24 22:10:25
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Breaking news. Former Guardian journalist calls gamers attacking SJWs Terrorists. Apparently a sony executives plane had to land due to bomb threat and its being blamed on the same people going after Zoe Quinn. What the actual hell?
And then there is this:
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Automatically Appended Next Post: That's right, if you disagree with or question Anita Saarkeesian or Zoe Quinn, you are a terrorist
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Oh god. More politically correct lunatics with an agenda to push. I wonder how long it'll be until we hear from Jack Thompson on how video games turn us into terrorists.
2014/08/25 00:22:21
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Oh god. More politically correct lunatics with an agenda to push. I wonder how long it'll be until we hear from Jack Thompson on how video games turn us into terrorists.
Thought he already did that. Both Jack and Anita seem to think if we do it video games we'll do it real life. Although I seriously question Anitas Hitman example of her killing strippers, because so far she is the only one doing it, and brutally no less.
I think the point of all these is question what you read, challenge stupidity and be vigilant, its so easy to just fall into apathy or wilful ignorance.
Noone who is to be taken seriously takes Anita seriously
Any theory that suggests a relation between video games / movies and actual real life behavior has been debunked so hard even their mother would not recognize their working hypothesis anymore!
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Sigvatr wrote: Noone who is to be taken seriously takes Anita seriously
Any theory that suggests a relation between video games / movies and actual real life behavior has been debunked so hard even their mother would not recognize their working hypothesis anymore!
Plus Anita has been proven to be a fraud
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Anita and Zoe should be villians to any feminist, but the movement (group, community or whatever) has been abused and overwhelmed by misandrists, sexists and racists
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Rick Priestley said it best:
Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! The modern studio isn’t a studio in the same way; it isn’t a collection of artists and creatives sharing ideas and driving each other on. It’s become the promotions department of a toy company – things move on!
2014/08/25 23:47:31
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Seriously? "I don't play many games, I've had to learn a lot about them" said 4 years ago means that she is categorically not a gamer and never will be so all her videos are fraud? I know it's a really zany and out there proposition, but maybe upon learning about video games, someone might go "Oh, these are fun. I'm going to play more of them" Everyone has to start somewhere, Because by the argument he's using, you're not a gamer either, and you "hate" video games as well.
(Also, how the feth does he get "I hate video games" from the words "I'm not a gamer, and I had to learn a lot about games for this")
Final point, because the guy in the video annoyed me; calling people that disagree with you "fething retards" and "beta fether" is not how to win an argument, and nor is (and this point is probably worse) him going "look at these guys and their stupid opinions", having a screenshot of what they wrote in the background, and then making up what they said! half the people he mocked said things completely different to what he said they said! he managed to take "I'm not a fan of her tropes video thing, I am a female gamer myself" and turn it into "I'm not a fan of video games, I am a female gamer (cue snorts of derision because he pretended they were stupid)".
Desubot wrote: Cant watch vids at work but what does this have to do with burger joints? (honest question)
It's a joke; Five Guys Burgers -> She has been accused of exchanging favors with five guys
Or the tag lie, Quinnspiracy: Five guys burgers and lies.
Rick Priestley said it best:
Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! The modern studio isn’t a studio in the same way; it isn’t a collection of artists and creatives sharing ideas and driving each other on. It’s become the promotions department of a toy company – things move on!
2014/08/26 04:50:21
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Goliath you should ignore his cursing and listen to the points he makes, yes he could have made it more PC, but the points are she deceived her viewers, her footage is not her own, IMHO that damages her credibility, but also the point of knights on white horses coming to her rescue (hint ) and 160000$ for a few youtube videos is a good deal imo
Ahtman wrote: Are people still passing around the idiotic idea that Anita somehow deceived people? What a friendly reminder of how hate can warp in peoples mind.
Wait, are you saying she didn't?
2014/08/26 11:23:14
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Ahtman wrote: Are people still passing around the idiotic idea that Anita somehow deceived people? What a friendly reminder of how hate can warp in peoples mind.
Right, so she didn't lift large clips of let's play footage from other channels without acknowledging the sources?
She didn't cherry pick the hate mail from abusive trolls whilst iignoring the genuine, honest and polite criticism; and misrepresented the hate mail trolling as being representative of ALL her critics?
She didn't take games out of context to justify her attacks on the designers?
She didn't deliberately attract and provoke the abuse of trolls by posting links to her "work" on 4chan, of all places; then launched a media campaign and went on the speaking circuit to complain about how she's being victimised?
She didn't fail to account for how she spent all the $150,000 or so that she received throughKickstarter?
She didn't make a video criticising the use of gender signifiers in video games (jewellery makeup etc) whilst WEARING gender signifiers - lots of jewellery and heavy makeup - in all of her videos?
There IS sexism in video games but Anita Sarkesian is not the right person, the right spokeswoman for feminism on this issue. She's too divisive, dishonest and has transparently greedy motives.
2014/08/26 11:29:19
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Some of your criticisms are irrelevant to your argument and therefore rather than being supportive give the impression of a degree of misplaced criticism.
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Ahtman wrote: Are people still passing around the idiotic idea that Anita somehow deceived people? What a friendly reminder of how hate can warp in peoples mind.
So...you're saying that she didn't?
She's just desperately looking for attention to get money and self-confirmation. Anita in a nutshell.
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Kilkrazy wrote: Some of your criticisms are irrelevant to your argument and therefore rather than being supportive give the impression of a degree of misplaced criticism.
No they're not... I was giving examples of when (IMO) Anita has been deceitful.
There's an old video of when she attended w businessbseminar and gave a testimonial of how the course had "helped her new business". Her business is is offence seeking, the professional grievance industry. There's money to be made in the speaking circuit, media appearances and getting hired as a "Consultant" on games like Mirrors Edge 2 .