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2014/08/22 23:23:05
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Orlanth wrote: ...the games journalism clique should tell us what is being released on PC/XBox/PS4/Wii etc next month and give us an honest unsponsored review of it..
Well they won't, because gaming journalism isn't.
They seem more interested in pushing agendas, like that Anita "I don't play video games" Snarkeesian tumblr insanity.
Automatically Appended Next Post: The massive amounts of censorship is the most damning of evidence.
and here is a live stream:
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2014/08/24 13:59:27
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Edited by AgeOfEgos---even if you are not directing such language to the person in question---let's refrain from using that--thanks.
Ryan
Zoe is a side note, the straw the broke the camels back.
The censorship, the conflicts of interest and unethical behaviour and insane double standards is what the issue is, not feminism, she is just a gakky human being and they are trying to make it about her and not the corrupt bs and incestuous relationships and nepotism.
The evidence is so heavily against the "journalists" that they will use any scapegoat, and it doesn't take much to get feminists to tune out facts and go for blood, even though Zoe admitted to rape which is normally their number 1 hate. Just goes to show its only sexist when men do it.
All of this just shows the media manipulation, the failings of modern feminism (or misandry as it seems) and the wilful ignorance and insanity of the social justice warriors.
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2014/08/24 21:18:41
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Mechanical Crow wrote: Edited by AgeOfEgos---even if you are not directing such language to the person in question---let's refrain from using that--thanks.
Ryan
Do you guys have what I wrote? I can re phrase it. I honestly don't even remember what you guys deleted, just in case I had a decent point in there.
Mechanical Crow wrote: the failings of modern feminism (or misandry as it seems) and the wilful ignorance and insanity of the social justice warriors.
You're rushing ahead here. Feminism has not been involved until Zoe Quinn instrumentalized it. Zoe Quinn did not get the hate for being a woman - she caused all of it by faking a "raid" on her and false claimed having been harassed. She then went straight to the town square, jumped on an orange box and shouted "MISOGNY! MISOGNY!". That's the disgusting part of the entire story. News outlets immediately jumped on the misogny bandwagon because it's a story that sells well.
That's the second sad part: so many big gaming journalism sites reacted in an extremely sexist way - positive sexism. They immediately went full-protective mode and victimized Zoe Quinn just because she's a woman. That's sexism as well. It's what she wanted but it's still highly sexist. Only at this point did her gender start to play a role.
Zoe Quinn is NOT a feminist and she, in no way, represents modern feminism. She represents a sad woman who sleeps with guys in order to get media coverup and who willingly sacrifices the credibility of other fellow female developers on the altar of publicity by playing the sexism-card. That's not feminism, that's sexism.
I mean more so the reaction to this, like the instant reaction that all this is an attack on her and that we are all being "Evil racist white supremacist misogynistic trolls that fill the male dominated gamer community" and just all the reaction from the journalists/insiders/Reddit mods involved. Its like they are trying to turn it into an attack on her, which I have no doubt will be the eventuality.
+ Her paetreon is paying her $2000 a month (up $700 from before this broke) with many of the people involved funding it. Its so messed up. Im sure Kotaku will just claim to be a critic based blog despite their boss having a masters in journalism.
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2014/08/24 22:31:57
Subject: Re:Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Breaking news. Former Guardian journalist calls gamers attacking SJWs Terrorists. Apparently a sony executives plane had to land due to bomb threat and its being blamed on the same people going after Zoe Quinn. What the actual hell?
And then there is this:
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Automatically Appended Next Post: That's right, if you disagree with or question Anita Saarkeesian or Zoe Quinn, you are a terrorist
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2014/08/25 00:22:21
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Oh god. More politically correct lunatics with an agenda to push. I wonder how long it'll be until we hear from Jack Thompson on how video games turn us into terrorists.
Thought he already did that. Both Jack and Anita seem to think if we do it video games we'll do it real life. Although I seriously question Anitas Hitman example of her killing strippers, because so far she is the only one doing it, and brutally no less.
I think the point of all these is question what you read, challenge stupidity and be vigilant, its so easy to just fall into apathy or wilful ignorance.
2014/08/25 23:47:31
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
The idea that Anita could be a poisonous influence. That is why I emphasized that part.
She has done conferences with EA and many others and gets paid to spread her gospel. They are even using her as a consultant on Mirrors Edge 2. So she is actively censoring games based on her views. She's been proven a fraud, I think anyone with an iota of morality can see that as her poisoning western gaming.
The fact she has admitted she is not a fan of video games, and has no interest in games that appeal to their target demographics I find it incredibly intellectually dishonest of her to come in and tell everyone that they aren't allowed to have escapism fantasy. Its like those jerk kids at the beach that cant stand other kids having fun and run around kicking over sand castles, but the second some one stands up to them, they cry and run to their parents and lie through their teeth.
2014/08/28 00:13:34
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Oh, censorship like adding more female character that are not just Miss Male Character or Booby McBoob, that is censorship. Because we all know adding new, better stuff is all that censorship is about .
I mean more like taking out story stuff just because it offends her, like if something messed up happens and there happens to be a woman involved, she'll go off the deep end connecting it things that aren't apparent to anyone but her.
The poisonous part is the SJW insanity, especially the sex negative stuff, and the mass stupidity when you question the reasoning and logic behind their statements.
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Ravenous D wrote: So here's a win, a small win, but a win regardless, Kotaku is telling all of its writers to immediately cease any donations to developers (Zoe Quinn is freaking out because she just lost her $2000 a month for Rebel Game Jam that she hasn't updated in months) and Polygon is telling its employees to be straight up with their connections to the stories they write.
Zoe Quinn loses funding
Kotaku admits fault
Polygon will show transparency
I'd say Nathan Grayson and Patricia Hernandez should have had some sort of recourse but they are basically black balled to the nerd community and wont live it down for a long while, so half win.
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2014/08/28 02:38:35
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Mechanical Crow wrote: I mean more like taking out story stuff just because it offends her, like if something messed up happens and there happens to be a woman involved, she'll go off the deep end connecting it things that aren't apparent to anyone but her.
Uh, okay?
Mechanical Crow wrote: The poisonous part is the SJW insanity, especially the sex negative stuff, and the mass stupidity when you question the reasoning and logic behind their statements.
So, by “sex negative”, you mean that we will see less male character in heavily sexualized outfits and poses? Oh, too bad, there are so many currently that it will make a huge difference[/sarcasm]
No no, there is sex negative feminists and sex positive feminists. Positive believes in the empowerment of sex where as negative demonize it in nearly ever regard (I wish I could go into detail but its kind of well... too detailed for dakka) especially men.
Anita leans on sex negative where even saying hello or smiling can be considered harassment technically. Look up Elevator-gate with Rebecca Watson for another example of sex negative.
2014/08/29 03:39:26
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
I am sure you refer to this very ubiquitous type of sexual empowerment:
Spoiler:
That is what you were talking about, right? How men in video games needs to be empowered by sex rather than by silly stuff like actual fighting skills or magic powers or other non-sense.
More like not being ashamed for liking sex or feeling good about your body/flaunting it. Where as sex negative feminist make women feel like they are garbage for giving into desires of the flesh.
Its the reason we get silly memes like this:
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2014/09/01 17:58:54
Subject: Re:Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Apparently gamers are no longer just terrorists, but now we are being labeled Nazis, do SJWs realize that this sort of stuff and the blatant ignorance on their part just makes them look like they are insane?
2014/09/03 14:24:53
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
It seems the common tactic by SJWs is to try and refocus it back constantly on the sexism, when its more about corruption and agenda pushing by SJWs.
Here's what I know, Ive been playing video games since I was 4 then suddenly when Im 25 ish video games are socially acceptable and suddenly the people called that me a nerd for years are suddenly telling me how I have fun is wrong and sexist. Sorry if we seem hesitant on intentions and give people gak who walk into our house and start telling us what to do.
2014/09/04 01:54:58
Subject: Re:Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
H.B.M.C. wrote: There are still people going "No! You're only annoyed because this time it was a woman!".
That particular line of argument incenses my wife no end. I can't imagine why.
Some of the shield retorts are even more horrific, getting cries of "Race traitor, Uncle Toms" and so much awful sexism/insults towards everything that "Isn't" white and straight.
Social Justice indeed.
I think at this point we can agree that SJWs are insane. They seem to think that racism, sexism and misandry is okay, as long as its targeting white straight men. It boggles the mind.
I have a working theory on SJWs. What is the end game? Extremely politically correct docile genderless amorphous blobs. Its basic psyche, that's projection, they cannot deal with how the world treats them, so instead of adapting they blame the world for their own problems.
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2014/09/05 22:53:02
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
If they had a real plan with a clear goal, they wouldn't be focused on games. I think it's more of a mission statement, Complain about everything til someone gives me money, ie professional victim.
No kidding, where were they 10 years ago when Jack Thompson was saying that games caused violence? Guess they only care when it involves women, which is sexist. Its funny how they cannot see their own hypocrisy.
2014/09/06 20:12:51
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Sigvatr wrote: Zoe Quinn is a notorious liar, lacking any sort of empathy, caring only for herself.
She has absolutely no credibility whatsoever.
Plus there wasn't a single time mark on any of that. If any of you had to deal with drug addicts or compulsive liars in your life you know the lengths of what desperate people will go to. The SJWs and the journalists have mountains of evidence and logic against them, they will get more desperate to discredit anything against them.
That and she admitted to rape, and hacking TFYC site, so her words are wind.
2014/09/06 20:33:41
Subject: Re:Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Now the journalists are calling gamers and supporters of gamergate pedophiles.
And Anita keeps posting threats contrary to normal police and federal procedure.
Why are they escalating this to the point where its about to explode?
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Alfndrate wrote: I'm sitting here trying to figure what games Asherian has worked on
Also, the lack of timestamps is really why I'm sitting here going, "uuuhh... something doesn't seem right..."
A known hacker who has admitted to hacking who knows tons of hackers and has friends in a PR company that helped her hack posts stuff with no time codes. This is getting nuts.
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2014/09/06 20:43:19
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
On topic: the fact that Anita, Zoe and co. have links to PR companies is a huge red flag.
And is one that is constantly waved off. Don't engage in SJWs when they are just trying to muddy the issue, call them out rationally (Although we see how that goes sometimes) and keep throwing logic and evidence at them until they break. They are continuing on with antagonising gamers to elicit negative responses to fit their narrative to discredit us, don't let them.
2014/09/06 21:45:28
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
The gaming media has been kicking us pretty hard, so when you kick back, hit where it matters. Their advertisers.
Meanwhile Zoe Quinn is playing the victim on her twitter claiming she was framed and that she makes no money. Scroll down and you see this: "Twitter's blowin up and I have a hunk to smooch and a cigar to light off smouldering nerd corpses so if you wanna get in touch, email me"
And that she has been hiding in the IRC chat room with "Proof" (without time codes) that it was orchestrated to harass women. What a scumbag. She is doing the same thing as she did with wizard chan and fabricating an event. She'll be asking for money any day now and rustle up the SJW hate brigade.
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2014/09/07 00:13:55
Subject: Re:Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Its also worth mentioning that silverstring media has edited their youtube and website after this started. Including the video where their CEO says they will do anything for money through "transmedia" (not a real term that they made up).
2014/09/07 16:18:11
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Slarg232 wrote: If writing reviews is hard (As Objective Game Reviews states), why does every Tom, Dick, and Sally try to do it? Most only stop because of lack of views/exposure, not because it's hard....
Also, stopped reading at Vox's "Anti-Feminism" and
Needless to say, much of the criticism of Quinn was horrifyingly gendered, directed not just at her personal decisions (which would have been bad enough) but also at her identity specifically as a woman within the gaming community.
Seriously?
Yeah that bit I was like..... Really? Really think that? That is not what is gong on. There is no anti-feminist mob. I mean it does exist, but they just jumped and said "Yeah look at us!"
While the rest of us look at them and think. "Yeah we are not saying that."
I mean Antia, I just disagree with. And I said that one time and I got called a sexist.
Remember that SJWs are the same people that go into science fields and claim gravity is sexist. Its literally a battle against bent minded people that are deluded beyond repair.
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2014/09/07 16:52:47
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
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