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 DanielBeaver wrote:
Eldar, probably. Locating all their craftworlds and exodite worlds is a non-trivial task, and they can always melt away into the webway, but the Imperium could certainly shatter their military might.

The Imperium could defeat the Craftworld Eldar on the battlefield, but you can't kill what you can't find, and intelligence is far from the Imperium's strongest point.

 DanielBeaver wrote:
Dark Eldar, probably. Commorragh would be a very tough cookie to crack, and it's probable that the Dark Eldar have taken precautions against the possibility of a large-scale invasion. They are rejuvenated by violence, and would be fighting on their own turf, so the losses to the Imperium would doubtless be grossly disproportionate. But if there's anything the Imperium does well, it's large-scale wars of attrition - I think that they would win in the end, and destroy Commorragh.

That would be impossible, as Commorragh is located in the Webway. And with the Emperor's Webway project lost, there is no way humanity will be able to even get to Commorragh, let alone besiege it. The Dark Eldar are even more elusive than their Craftworld cousins.
Besides, I highly doubt the Dark Eldar would allow themselves to get locked in a war of attrition. They would be more likely to draw the entire Imperial force into Commorragh, seal the way behind them, and open a Warp Rift while they themselves retreat to their sattelite realms.

 1hadhq wrote:

ALEXisAWESOME wrote:Can someone explain to me how the Imperium could possibly crush the Dark Eldar? Humans have little to no understanding of the Webway and the Webway itself actively tries to repel or misdirect intruders. The Humans outside of very few Inquisitors have no clue how to work the gates, no clue how to work the runes and would just blunder aimlessly around.

All the Dark Eldar would have to do is close the gates big enough to allow the Imperiums big ships through (Of which there aren't many) from the inside and continue their piracy from the Webway on the Millions of under defended worlds while the entire Imperial Navy waits at the Dark Eldar front door asking to be let in.

The Webway is already breached. Eldar had to close parts of it. Necrons forced their Way in too IIRC. It is not impossible to get in.
Imperials don't have to cleanse the hideout, just damage it so badly the DE can't stop the incoming hordes of Demons....

Parts that are affected by Deamons are closed immediatly. The Necrons are capable to get in with a huge lot of difficulty, but their technology is magic compared to what the Imperium has to make do with. Humanity has nothing that will allow them to enter the Webway, and as the Imperium is incapable of technological advancement, they won't ever possess that capability either.

 Melissia wrote:
Everyone except Orks. Orks can be reduced to a manageable level probably, but they'[re the only alien faction that it's probably impossible to wipe out without crippling the Imperium itself.

Orks can be eradicated from a planet(without Exterminatus) if you use the proper procedures. Burn the corpses of any ork killed and judicious use of flame to kill the spores.

Granted it could take centuries to completely sterilize a particular planet of ork spores, but it is possible.

 Bobthehero wrote:
They might not invade the Eye, but a united Imperium could just park all its force at the Eye and sit comfortably.

Chaos doesn't need to exit the eye of Terra. If the Chaos Gods wanted, they could probably wipe out Cadia instantly and the entire fleet with it.

Strike Force Ultra Data sheet.
477.M39 By the Dying Light
Daemonic servants of Tzeentch create Warp rifts inside each of the twin suns of Haark. Soon, the leering faces upon the stars drive the entire population of the system insane, but the Daemons’ incessant bickering triggers a duel-nova event. With the fate of the system now measured in hours, the Black Consuls Chapter send in Strike Force Ultra Varnor to recover sacred relics from the time of their founding. Captain Varnor and his brothers brave both Daemons and madmen in the burning cities of Haark to collect the relics, narrowly escaping into the void only moments before the stars die spectacularly

If Chaos ever actually wants to win, then you just roll over and die. Also note there is no mention if the Daemons were even greater, any summoning ritual, or even a nearby warp storm. They just said "feth it" and possessed binary stars.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Everyone except Orks. Orks can be reduced to a manageable level probably, but they'[re the only alien faction that it's probably impossible to wipe out without crippling the Imperium itself.

Orks can be eradicated from a planet(without Exterminatus) if you use the proper procedures. Burn the corpses of any ork killed and judicious use of flame to kill the spores.

Granted it could take centuries to completely sterilize a particular planet of ork spores, but it is possible.

And, in doing so, it often decimates the planet's ecosystem. Thus my condition, "without crippling the Imperium itself", as you would have to do to any planet infested by Ork spores.


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 Wyzilla wrote:
If Chaos ever actually wants to win, then you just roll over and die.

Nope.

Doesn't work that way. The Chaos Gods are not a set of all-powerful deities; they're quite limited in what they can and want to do.

 Wyzilla wrote:
Also note there is no mention if the Daemons were even greater, any summoning ritual, or even a nearby warp storm. They just said "feth it" and possessed binary stars.

Again, nope. Chaos is capable of taking advantage of warp currents and unique situations in order to do weird gak, but it is not necessarily able to CREATE those situations. It must rely upon getting lucky and finding them.

Well tzeentch is all about finding them haha. Fateweaver shenanigans and the like. But I agree dark powers are by no means all powerful. If they were the entire galaxy would be burning and chanting to them.


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That being said. Get enough warp power about and they can do some scary scary things. . read "fear to tread" that's when I saw some real damn scary deamon power. Poor blood angels.

He's all about finding them, but so is the Inquisition all about finding them and stopping Chaos from using them.

And they are successful more often than not.

 Melissia wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Everyone except Orks. Orks can be reduced to a manageable level probably, but they'[re the only alien faction that it's probably impossible to wipe out without crippling the Imperium itself.

Orks can be eradicated from a planet(without Exterminatus) if you use the proper procedures. Burn the corpses of any ork killed and judicious use of flame to kill the spores.

Granted it could take centuries to completely sterilize a particular planet of ork spores, but it is possible.

And, in doing so, it often decimates the planet's ecosystem. Thus my condition, "without crippling the Imperium itself", as you would have to do to any planet infested by Ork spores.


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 Wyzilla wrote:
If Chaos ever actually wants to win, then you just roll over and die.

Nope.

Doesn't work that way. The Chaos Gods are not a set of all-powerful deities; they're quite limited in what they can and want to do.

 Wyzilla wrote:
Also note there is no mention if the Daemons were even greater, any summoning ritual, or even a nearby warp storm. They just said "feth it" and possessed binary stars.

Again, nope. Chaos is capable of taking advantage of warp currents and unique situations in order to do weird gak, but it is not necessarily able to CREATE those situations. It must rely upon getting lucky and finding them.

Except numerous parts of the fluff completely disagree with you.

Strike Force Ultra Data sheet.
477.M39 By the Dying Light
Daemonic servants of Tzeentch create Warp rifts inside each of the twin suns of Haark. Soon, the leering faces upon the stars drive the entire population of the system insane, but the Daemons’ incessant bickering triggers a duel-nova event. With the fate of the system now measured in hours, the Black Consuls Chapter send in Strike Force Ultra Varnor to recover sacred relics from the time of their founding. Captain Varnor and his brothers brave both Daemons and madmen in the burning cities of Haark to collect the relics, narrowly escaping into the void only moments before the stars die spectacularly

Daemons possess binary stars and transform them into warp rifts despite there being no mention of any ritual, nearby warp rift, or anything to summon them. Or that they're even greater daemons, and rather just appear to be two lesser daemons considering they aren't named.

"The forms the live-things called Chaos, in their limited little ways of perceiving the omni-verse, swarmed and thrived in this infinite ocean of mind and emotion. The daemon moved with Stele. Waiting, waiting and watching for the moment when the thrashing and chattering of the quarry was at its peak. Only then would it strike, lapping up the absolute perfection of its fear, sinking in rending teeth, tearing it to soul- shreds."
Pg.106 Deus Sanguinius

Chaos is multiuniversal.

“A miss indicates that the missile has left Warpspace at the wrong point – and this could be anywhere in any of the million universes.”
pg.37 Adeptus Titanicus

The Warp is connected to millions of universes.

"Here in the Great Ocean, he could be whatever he wanted to be; nothing was forbidden and anything was possible.
Worlds flashed past him as he hurtled through the swelling tides of colour, light and dimensions without name. The roiling chaos of the aether was a playground for titanic forces, where entire universes could be created and destroyed with a random thought. How many trillions of potential lives were birthed and snuffed out just by thinking such things?"
Pg.712 A Thousand Sons

The warp can give rise to universes and just as easily destroy them.

All around him, he could hear the sounds of the future, of warfare and death. The thought that he shared the guilt of the destruction of the Emperor’s dream was the greatest shame and sorrow he had ever known.
An end to it all would be a blessed relief.
‘Oblivion,’ he whispered as he closed his eyes. ‘Do it. End me.’
The barriers in Fulgrim’s mind dropped and he felt the elation of a creature older than time as it poured into the void in his soul. No sooner had its touch claimed his flesh for its own than he knew he had made the worst mistake of his life.
Fulgrim screamed as he fought to keep it out, but it was already too late.
His consciousness was crushed into the dark, unused corners of his mind, forever to be a mute witness to the havoc wrought by his body’s new master.
One moment Fulgrim was a primarch, one of the Emperor’s Children, the next he was a thing of Chaos."
Pg.757 Fulgrim

Chaos is older than time.

"A terrible, ageless scream of frustration filled the chamber, echoing throughout all the realms of existence simultaneously as a creature older than time was thwarted in its ambitions."
Pg.619 Descent of Angels

And again.

"All I can tell you is that the warp is beyond the comprehension of you or I, and things exist in its fathomless depths that are older than time as we know it.’"
Pg.359 Battle For the Abyss

And again.

That is how events are viewed from the chronology of the material universe. In the Warp, things are different, for the Immaterium is not bound by linear time, and events do not occur in a strict sequence of cause then effect. As his rival gods reckon it, Slannesh has always existed in the Warp, and yet has never existed at all
-Codex: Chaos Daemons 6th Edition pg. 16

Slaanesh ignores causality.

The sheer mind-boggling impossibiliry of the Warp defies
explanation, and those who attempt to delve further into
understanding its ways inevitably slip into madness. Of the
little that is known is that Warp space does not conform to the
laws of physics as we know them.
-Warhamer 40k 6th Edition Rulebook, pg. 144

Chaos and the Warp ignores physics.

In warp space there is no time, no distances, only a constantly flowing stream of immaterium.
-Battle Fleet Gothic Rulebook, pg. 85

There is no time in the warp.

Beyond the boundaries of physical space, unrestricted by time or casuality, there is a dimension utterly incomprehensible to mortal minds.
-Codex: Chaos Daemons 6th Edition pg. 6

Chaos ignores causality.

Timeless and ever-shifting, this psychic visionscape is known as the Realm of Chaos
-Codex: Chaos Daemons 5th Edition pg. 6

Chaos is timeless.

"His immense psychic powers envelop and protect Mankind across the entire galaxy. His consciousness wanders through Warp space, warring against the Daemons that inhabit it, keeping closed the doors between this world and the next.

If the Emperor fails then the Daemons of Chaos will flood into the galaxy. Every living human will become a gateway for the destruction of Mankind and the stuff of Warp space will submerge the galaxy. There will be no physical matter. No space. No time. Only Chaos."
-Warhammer 40k 5th Edition rulebook, pg.101

The Emperor is the only thing preventing Chaos from consuming the universe.

Outwardly, the Emperor is but a desiccated corpse, kept alive partly by the cyclopean, mystical machine of gold wrought by his own hand and partly by a will so powerful that it transcends the bounds of the blackened, shrivelled husk of his body. Physically fettered, chained atop mountainous banks of machinery, the Emperor’s mind stretches out through space and time – a light in a vast gulf of blackness. Should that spark of life ever be extinguished – should the Throne fail in its mysterious purpose – then Mankind would surely be lost.
-Warhammer 40k 7th Edition Rulebook

The Emperor is the only thing preventing chaos from consuming everyone through all space-time.

"Today, as for every day since that battle, the Emperor lives only by the immeasurable force of his supreme will. The stasis fields and psi-fusion reactors of the machine known as the Golden Throne preserve his broken and decayed body; his great mind endures inside a rotting carcass, kept alive by the mysteries of ancient technology. His immense psychic Powers reach out from the Golden Throne, enveloping and protecting Mankind across the enemy-strewn galaxy, a beacon of light in the malevolent darkness.

If the Emperor fails, then none will be able to stop the influx of the dark powers; ravenous and all-consurning Daemons will flood into the galaxy. Every living human will become a gateway for the destruction of Mankind. Reality as it is known will be subsumed by the stuff of Warp space - a realm of nightmares and cruel insanity where all life will end. There will be no physical matter. No space. No time. Only Chaos."
-Warhammer 40k 6th Edition rulebook, pg.137

The Emperor is the only thing preventing the universe from being consumed by Chaos.


And this is atop of other fun things, like daemons being able to create their own pocket universes for protection, Slaanesh creating itself, etc. Plus stuff like flawless precog and infinite time to plot out any attacks.

In my opinion, the Imperium could grind down any opponent in a war of attrition or obliterate them with their clearly far superior space fleets and then virus bomb the planets. No other race reproduces in a way the humans do, billions upon billions of humans are born every day, and billions upon billions of soldiers are tithed every day, more and more tanks are constructed from manufactorums, titans, space marines, the inquisition, grey knights, sisters of battle, and fated giant chapters such as the Black Templars are what the Imperium has to back them up.

 Wyzilla wrote:
Except numerous parts of the fluff completely disagree with you.

No they don't. In order to prevent quote spamming, I'll be answering them in order:

 Wyzilla wrote:
Daemons possess binary stars
[...]
Chaos is multiuniversal. / The Warp is connected to millions of universes.
[...]
The warp can give rise to universes and just as easily destroy them.
[...]
Chaos is older than time. / Chaos is timeless. / There is no time in the warp.
[...]
Chaos and the Warp ignores physics.
[...]
Chaos ignores causality.
[...]
The Emperor is the only thing preventing Chaos from consuming the universe.

1: One example does not make a trend. They were able to do it once, but that does not guarantee that they could do it again.
2: Irrelevant.
3: Within itself. But not outside of itself. By definition, the material plane does not exist within the immaterium.
4: A meaningless statement by authors who don't understand that "before time" is an inherent contradiction in terms.
5: Within its own boundries, and places where the boundry between the Warp and Realspace are weak or nonexistent. Within stronger areas of realspace, they are increasingly, more and more, bound by the laws of physics. Especially around Blanks and other forms of Necron technology. The very fact that Necron technology can actively limit the ability of the Warp to bleed in to Realspace is proof that the Warp is not all-powerful.
6: "Slaanesh never existed and yet has always existed" is a meaningless statement. Ergo, irrelevant.
7: According to Imperial beliefs, this is true. We have no evidence that the other races with psychic potential would agree with this statement.

Tau
***In a heartbeat. In the 40K Milky Way there are probably a thousand Tau type empires. They come and go. Occasionally the IOM steps on one. They are not a threat and strategically not even a nuisance.
Dark Eldar
***If they could be found and the webway entered, again, this is a yawn for the IOM. But that’s the trick isn’t it. They can’t be found or entered. They may be the last survivors of the galaxy post Necron/Nid John Deere Galactic Domination contest.
Eldar
***Potentially easiest. They have slow moving, real space planteoids. Advanced tech but very little of it. But that’s all part of their cunning plan…
Necrons
***I’m not fully up to the latest fluff on them so I’ll pass.
Orks
***Yes. It would be a bloodbath but they could push them out of worlds humanity desires or holds. It was done at least twice before.
Tyranids
***Potentially the strongest yet weakest. We don’t know how strong they really are, and they seem particularly vulnerable to exploding ships taking out hive fleets. It might what we see is all there is now, and they just have a really good PR department.

Chaos
***Chaos legions, theoretically, although it goes back to the DE situation. They really can’t get to them. If the Traitor legions all came out to play they would eventually be gobsmacked, by sheer capacity alone.
Chaos itself, well that’s like trying to kill the ocean.

I read somewhere that they'd crush Tau if they could afford to commit the resources to the eastern fringe. But they can't, lest they loose the rest of the Imperium.

 Grey Knight Janitor wrote:
I read somewhere that they'd crush Tau if they could afford to commit the resources to the eastern fringe. But they can't, lest they loose the rest of the Imperium.

They don't even need to commit all that many resources at all.

The Tau are a tiny little "empire" that isn't worth the Imperium's time. The one Crusade they sent was pathetically tiny, and it nearly overran the Tau.

If and when the Imperium gives even moderate consideration to the Tau, they're gone.

They pulled the forces that would have crushed the Tau to deal with Armageddon and/or a tyranid hive fleet. Can't recall, but the Tau are sort of like living on borrowed time partly due to their relative insignificance. The pull out led to the third sphere expansion though.

Necrons are potentially the nastiest threat now. Really, they are like the IOM though. Without all of them being awake and united, they are bastions of impossible resistance, but not a concerted threat at this point.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Grey Knight Janitor wrote:
I read somewhere that they'd crush Tau if they could afford to commit the resources to the eastern fringe. But they can't, lest they loose the rest of the Imperium.

They don't even need to commit all that many resources at all.

The Tau are a tiny little "empire" that isn't worth the Imperium's time. The one Crusade they sent was pathetically tiny, and it nearly overran the Tau.

If and when the Imperium gives even moderate consideration to the Tau, they're gone.

It didn't "nearly overrun" them. They put a single sept in peril. They could be easily destroyed by the Imperium, but they do not pose big enough of a threat to merit the attention.

Given what that crusade accomplished with so few troops, I'd say "Overrun" is the correct word.

There were only 19 Regiments of IG, 500 marines, a dozen capital ships, and half a dozen Titans.

The only reason more Imperial forces weren't sent to finish the Tau off was because of Hive Fleet Behemoth.

 Melissia wrote:
Everyone except Orks. Orks can be reduced to a manageable level probably, but they'[re the only alien faction that it's probably impossible to wipe out without crippling the Imperium itself.

It is difficult to answer the question because we don't have all the data.

The Dark Eldar, Eldar and Tau are doomed since they lack the numbers to persevere.

OTOH.

The Tyranids may well have trillions of Hive Fleets left. While of course unlikely, it is theoretically possible since we have never recieved any statements on how many they are, and everything points at that the Tyranids who have arrived are in a minority. They would not need trillions of hive fleets to win, but they would need a lot, something that they might actually have.

In the same way, the effect that some attempt at 'containing' Chaos would have is uncertain. The Daemons will never stop coming, and as long as there's rage, violence, despair, disease, hope, change, desire and pleasure Chaos will remain. Removing all of the previously mentioned things from the Imperium would obviously cause some rather significant problems...

The Necrons have better tech than the Imperium and are still in the process of waking up. If they are as many as they very well might be, they may be an adversary too great for even the Imperium to beat.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Given what that crusade accomplished with so few troops, I'd say "Overrun" is the correct word.

There were only 19 Regiments of IG, 500 marines, a dozen capital ships, and half a dozen Titans.

The only reason more Imperial forces weren't sent to finish the Tau off was because of Hive Fleet Behemoth.

Which crusade are you talking about here? The biggest one I can remember included one sept, and knocked the tau off a group of worlds. The tau then bested the imperium, but could not destroy them. The imperial forces would have kept fighting but they were called to redraw. The tau then proceded to reclaim all the worlds they had lost, and with imperial forces retreating, some new ones as well.

AFAIK, in the Puritan pseudotheology of 40K, it is not "negative" emotions that feed Chaos, but _all_ emotions (otherwise said, all emotions are negative).

So making people all lovey-dovey will not help. You would have to lobotomize them.

Do you mean a scenario where the Imperium had the time to really fix the most terrible problems and man up?
If that's the case, the Imperium could... I dunno, maybe crush ALL OF THE ABOVE?

Well not all completely. There are some threats that one does not simply annihilate completely (like Orks and 'Nids).

If the Imperium was outright roflstomping a huge part of the galaxy during the Great Crusade, imagine how things could get done in the 41st millennium if the Imperium actually reached at least HALF of the level of its long gone might.

The Eldar and Dark Eldar are quite outnumbered already, so they'd be more than dead. Extra dead.

Tau empire would be a quickly dealt joke.

Orks is the first thing that WILL cause some issues, since they're running amok, and much more numerous since the golden era. They could be reduced to manageable numbers eventually, but it'd need some effort... and they would still keep coming back, thanks to their way of breeding.

The second problem would be the Traitor legions. They're not THE prime threat to the Imperium without a reason. When they strike, they hit hard like Loyalist Astartes (duh!), but bring some nasty daemon hijinks with them.

The third large opposition is the Tyranids. They can't be beaten by attrition warfare, they easily ignore the casualty tolls that are sometimes unbearable for the Imperial forces, and they outnumber Orks. If the Imperium did its research and invested its fleets to uproot and fry the local synapse creatures efficiently, things would go smoother in the 'Nid front.

 Tigramans wrote:
Do you mean a scenario where the Imperium had the time to really fix the most terrible problems and man up?
If that's the case, the Imperium could... I dunno, maybe crush ALL OF THE ABOVE?

Well not all completely. There are some threats that one does not simply annihilate completely (like Orks and 'Nids).

If the Imperium was outright roflstomping a huge part of the galaxy during the Great Crusade, imagine how things could get done in the 41st millennium if the Imperium actually reached at least HALF of the level of its long gone might.

The Eldar and Dark Eldar are quite outnumbered already, so they'd be more than dead. Extra dead

It's impossible to invade and sack the Dark City. The engagement would only be on Dark Eldar terms, and the best way to describe the City is as a miniature distilled Eye of Terror. The only way the Imperium could kill the Dark Eldar is by sending a bunch of Librarians into it and ripping open a portal to the warp and unleashing Slaanesh into the Dark City.

Craftworld Eldar live on Craftworlds and well, unless the Craftworld Eldar are refueling, they're untouchable and the Imperium can never engage them. Craftworld Eldar are far too mobile for even an fully mobilized Imperium to ever kill off. Precog coupled with being post scarcity makes one untouchable like that.

The second problem would be the Traitor legions. They're not THE prime threat to the Imperium without a reason. When they strike, they hit hard like Loyalist Astartes (duh!), but bring some nasty daemon hijinks with them.

Chaos Space Marines are the joke pets of the Chaos Gods. They're formidable, but the real threat is when Chaos ever declares actual total war with the Imperium. In which there won't be an Imperium left.

(Daemons popping stars, time travel, and all that fun stuff.)

There is no faction that wouldn't get crushed by the Imperium throwing its entire collective weight at them. Some factions can hide in other-dimensions like the EoT or the Webway or the warp, but I consider "cowering like bitches for the rest of their existence" to be functionally equivalent to getting crushed.

 Wyzilla wrote:

It's impossible to invade and sack the Dark City. The engagement would only be on Dark Eldar terms, and the best way to describe the City is as a miniature distilled Eye of Terror. The only way the Imperium could kill the Dark Eldar is by sending a bunch of Librarians into it and ripping open a portal to the warp and unleashing Slaanesh into the Dark City.

In that case, I stand corrected.

 Wyzilla wrote:

Craftworld Eldar live on Craftworlds and well, unless the Craftworld Eldar are refueling, they're untouchable and the Imperium can never engage them. Craftworld Eldar are far too mobile for even an fully mobilized Imperium to ever kill off. Precog coupled with being post scarcity makes one untouchable like that.

What about Idharae, Mor-Rioh'i, and Thuyelsa?

Or for that matter, Malan'tai.

Over a million worlds, the numbers are colossal compared to every other race, even the Tyranids and Orks.

If the imperium actually squared itself away and went balls out at any of them, they could massively feth their gak up, but we dont analyse the fluff too much or it would end the story.

gak, remember that fluff in the DE codex about how sneaky Vect orchestrated an imperial raid and in the aftermath nearly ALL of the noble houses of the city had been destroyed in the assault so he got to take over?

Wasn't that like.. three chapters or something?

Imagine if they dropped like.. 800 chapters and 20,000 Imperial Guard regiments into Commoragh!

Eh, I think Orks occupy more worlds than the Imperium myself-- and that's just ork-only worlds.

 Melissia wrote:
Eh, I think Orks occupy more worlds than the Imperium myself-- and that's just ork-only worlds.

Surely not? I know they always say the Orks are the most numerous species, but I figured that meant out of xenos!

I mean, if the Imperium has over a million worlds, how come the Orks arent giving them more gak if they have even more?

Even in all of the other fluff, it seems like Orks show up less than they should if that's the case.

They have way more than the Imperium. But orks are a fracticious species.

If united, they could take on everyone else at the same time, but that will never happen.

 mattyrm wrote:
I mean, if the Imperium has over a million worlds, how come the Orks arent giving them more gak if they have even more?

Because the Orks are fighting themselves as often as they're fighting anyone else.

It's pretty much a standard bit in Ork lore that if the Orks all united, the galaxy would become very green, very fast. But they don't want to do that because it's more interesting to leave the other factions alive and able to fight back.

I think they need to employ a skilled mathematician at GW HQ...

I remember thinking that after reading that there were 300 billion people on a hive world, and quickly realized that there were clearly more than "billions" of Imperial citizens.

So if there are trillions of Orks, and trillions of humans, and trillions of Tyranids, the galaxy isnt actually lonely at all, its like a really cold, light year spanning crowded apartment complex in Manhattan.

 mattyrm wrote:
I think they need to employ a skilled mathematician at GW HQ...

I remember thinking that after reading that there were 300 billion people on a hive world, and quickly realized that there were clearly more than "billions" of Imperial citizens.

So if there are trillions of Orks, and trillions of humans, and trillions of Tyranids, the galaxy isnt actually lonely at all, its like a really cold, light year spanning crowded apartment complex in Manhattan.

There has been plenty of GW publications which number humanity in the "countless trillions".

And even with that many people, the Galaxy would still be relatively empty. Space is freaking HUGE.

300 billion on a Hive world isn't really all that many. We could easily have that many people on Earth today and be able to feed them all.

The current population of Earth could be fit into a mega city the size of Texas with only the population density of New York. Double up that and you could easily have several dozen cities of that size on Earth with plenty of space to do other things.