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2014/09/17 20:29:50
Subject: ever gotten frustrated with someone when playing?
I get frustrated with people lacking social skills, particularly older people.
I'm 27, on four + years of active duty trying to get a seat at BUD/s. I like to think Im pretty down to earth, polite, and play warhammer 40k with my wife and enjoy friendly pickup games.
So when I encounter people who are rude, talk smack during competitive play or who throw fits when things arent going their way, it really irks me. I'm an adult playing adults. The first time (thankfully the only time) I had someone 'rage quit' on turn 3 at a GW store because my Tyranids were destroying him and thats really set the tone for what I want to avoid. My two year old is allowed to throw tantrums, not someone 10 years my senior. Also having flabby neckbeard players exclaim loudly any ("YES!" so that everyone in the store stops what they are doing) when something good happens or curse loudly and genuinely be upset when something goes bad for them irks me. I recall a pickup game against one playing Tau gunline who would point at my units and say extremely obnoxiously "Those guys, those guys are going to die, watch this!" and then shout for joy when he'd roll well. If I'm being overly polite to you, can that gak and save it for when you're at home playing WoW drinking your 40oz of mountain dew.
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I’d like to tell a story about my experiences with Warmahordes players in my area vs 40k players. Please take any reference to *players* to mean “majority of people I have played in my area” and not a comment or generalization of all fans/players of either particular system.
40k players in my area tend to confuse specific rules. They’ll run units that they don’t really understand the rules for and then argue that it works a certain way. It can be frustrating to sort out the correct rule and can make you look/feel like a poor sport, when really you’d just like to play the game correctly. Things like movement, charging, line of sight, & model placement are pretty loosey goosey, laid back – but people have a strong attachment to their little mans and want them to perform in the way they *believe* they should… even if that’s not accurate.
Warmahordes players rarely confuse the game rules or unit rules (either because those rules are clearer, or because they take the time to learn them better) but they are real sticklers for every physical movement on the board. Fun-destroyingly picky in some cases. Basically they try to play the physical game as if it were a 2-D board game with perfectly square delineated terrain and uniform sized models rather than the messy, inaccurate, minis game that it is. Maybe too much Vasall gaming. Additionally, anyone exhibiting the first behavior also tends to treat every game like the final battle in a tournament with a $50k prize (that they need to save Grandma’s house… or their gym.. or orphanage or something).
Some examples:
Guy asks for a game and I say ‘sure I’m just looking for a really quick pick up game – maybe like a fast 25 points?’ ‘Sure!’
He then sets up a huge winterguard unit with solos and great bears running around. Each turn is 10 minute agony of decision making as every rocket guy positioned *just so*, each solo movement is like a mini-game in itself.
That’s one example but I’d say about half my warmahordes games are like that. Seems like we have different definitions of what a fast, quick game is. It can be competitive and you can use top tier lists – I don’t care – but don’t agonize over every soldier’s actions every single turn. I shouldn’t have to carry a chess clock around for casual pick up games.
Other examples – whenever I play a certain caliber of player – large tournament winners – the half a mm between shield wall models that can’t actually touch because of massive overhanging models is question – shield wall is gone, guns can fire through that half mm. Every angle is questioned despite my opponent never looking over the table birds eye view or using a line or laser. Even if I give my opponent multiple concessions – sure I know you meant to be in the forest, yeah you can activate that solo you forgot etc – every minor flub or geographical grey area is called into question against me. I do not have it in me to argue with these players. I shrug and say ok – but it’s demoralizing. That’s usually when I realize I don’t want to spend the next 30+ minutes doing this and my warcaster feats and suicide runs into the nearest Heavy.
It’s a shame because I really love(d) warmachine and thought the rules are(were) great. I just think that it would play better as a grid game on a flat board. Or – people* need to lighten up a little and know when/how to play fast and fun. As I said I’ve never really run into the same behavior on the 40k side of things. People will take some crazy units or combos sometimes but they tend to move quickly and not fuss over little discrepancies on the board. So at least the games end quickly. ;-)
*meaning people in my area that I have personally played, not representative of all warmahordes players everywhere*
I can see how that would be frustrating. I don't see as much fault with being meticulous with model placements as the nature of the game makes that really important and depending on what point in the game can mean the difference between the game continuing or one player losing.
But the loose play on one side while being an extreme stickler on your turn is not cool and I can get pretty frustrated with that too.
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2014/09/18 00:27:36
Subject: ever gotten frustrated with someone when playing?
My favorite moment was back in 5th when I was playing my very boring space marines of tac squads and a land speeder against tyranids. We set the game up and I'm about to take my first turn when the guy stops me and says hold on let me adjust the terrain a bit I say sure go for it. He grabs a handful of single trees and lays them spaced out in a straight line right in front of my deployment zone. My entire army is now shooting thru a single line of trees that give home a cover save. I just kinda looked around and thought is this actually happening. It was like my second pickup game ever so I wasn't sure how to deal with it. After he finished putting the trees down we just kind a stared at each other in awkward silence for 30 seconds.
2014/09/18 00:33:09
Subject: ever gotten frustrated with someone when playing?
I’d like to tell a story about my experiences with Warmahordes players in my area vs 40k players. Please take any reference to *players* to mean “majority of people I have played in my area” and not a comment or generalization of all fans/players of either particular system.
40k players in my area tend to confuse specific rules. They’ll run units that they don’t really understand the rules for and then argue that it works a certain way. It can be frustrating to sort out the correct rule and can make you look/feel like a poor sport, when really you’d just like to play the game correctly. Things like movement, charging, line of sight, & model placement are pretty loosey goosey, laid back – but people have a strong attachment to their little mans and want them to perform in the way they *believe* they should… even if that’s not accurate.
Warmahordes players rarely confuse the game rules or unit rules (either because those rules are clearer, or because they take the time to learn them better) but they are real sticklers for every physical movement on the board. Fun-destroyingly picky in some cases. Basically they try to play the physical game as if it were a 2-D board game with perfectly square delineated terrain and uniform sized models rather than the messy, inaccurate, minis game that it is. Maybe too much Vasall gaming. Additionally, anyone exhibiting the first behavior also tends to treat every game like the final battle in a tournament with a $50k prize (that they need to save Grandma’s house… or their gym.. or orphanage or something).
Some examples:
Guy asks for a game and I say ‘sure I’m just looking for a really quick pick up game – maybe like a fast 25 points?’ ‘Sure!’
He then sets up a huge winterguard unit with solos and great bears running around. Each turn is 10 minute agony of decision making as every rocket guy positioned *just so*, each solo movement is like a mini-game in itself.
That’s one example but I’d say about half my warmahordes games are like that. Seems like we have different definitions of what a fast, quick game is. It can be competitive and you can use top tier lists – I don’t care – but don’t agonize over every soldier’s actions every single turn. I shouldn’t have to carry a chess clock around for casual pick up games.
Other examples – whenever I play a certain caliber of player – large tournament winners – the half a mm between shield wall models that can’t actually touch because of massive overhanging models is question – shield wall is gone, guns can fire through that half mm. Every angle is questioned despite my opponent never looking over the table birds eye view or using a line or laser. Even if I give my opponent multiple concessions – sure I know you meant to be in the forest, yeah you can activate that solo you forgot etc – every minor flub or geographical grey area is called into question against me. I do not have it in me to argue with these players. I shrug and say ok – but it’s demoralizing. That’s usually when I realize I don’t want to spend the next 30+ minutes doing this and my warcaster feats and suicide runs into the nearest Heavy.
It’s a shame because I really love(d) warmachine and thought the rules are(were) great. I just think that it would play better as a grid game on a flat board. Or – people* need to lighten up a little and know when/how to play fast and fun. As I said I’ve never really run into the same behavior on the 40k side of things. People will take some crazy units or combos sometimes but they tend to move quickly and not fuss over little discrepancies on the board. So at least the games end quickly. ;-)
*meaning people in my area that I have personally played, not representative of all warmahordes players everywhere*
I can see how that would be frustrating. I don't see as much fault with being meticulous with model placements as the nature of the game makes that really important and depending on what point in the game can mean the difference between the game continuing or one player losing.
But the loose play on one side while being an extreme stickler on your turn is not cool and I can get pretty frustrated with that too.
Thats tantamount to cheating. Holding your opponent to a higher standard, yet expecting him to cut you slack.
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Strombones wrote: My favorite moment was back in 5th when I was playing my very boring space marines of tac squads and a land speeder against tyranids. We set the game up and I'm about to take my first turn when the guy stops me and says hold on let me adjust the terrain a bit I say sure go for it. He grabs a handful of single trees and lays them spaced out in a straight line right in front of my deployment zone. My entire army is now shooting thru a single line of trees that give home a cover save. I just kinda looked around and thought is this actually happening. It was like my second pickup game ever so I wasn't sure how to deal with it. After he finished putting the trees down we just kind a stared at each other in awkward silence for 30 seconds.
I would have responded
"Hold on, let me adjust the terrain too".
And put the trees back.
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2014/09/18 04:06:18
Subject: ever gotten frustrated with someone when playing?
That reminds me of a Fantasy tourney I was in. I'm used to just using the terrain on the table like the tourney organizer has set it up - my opponent insisted taking turns to set it up.
First, he places a big old hill on one side of the table - perfect place for his cannons. So I place a big wood right it front of it (this was 7th and you couldn't see through woods).
He didn't quite care for that
2014/09/18 04:50:15
Subject: ever gotten frustrated with someone when playing?
Swan-of-War wrote: That reminds me of a Fantasy tourney I was in. I'm used to just using the terrain on the table like the tourney organizer has set it up - my opponent insisted taking turns to set it up.
First, he places a big old hill on one side of the table - perfect place for his cannons. So I place a big wood right it front of it (this was 7th and you couldn't see through woods).
Swan-of-War wrote: That reminds me of a Fantasy tourney I was in. I'm used to just using the terrain on the table like the tourney organizer has set it up - my opponent insisted taking turns to set it up.
First, he places a big old hill on one side of the table - perfect place for his cannons. So I place a big wood right it front of it (this was 7th and you couldn't see through woods).
He didn't quite care for that
When players set up the terrain themselves , I think the fairest method would be for one player to set up the terrain, but his opponent gets to pick a table edge. That way, the guy setting up the terrain can't predict which table edge he'll get, so will have more of an incentive to create a balanced board.
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2014/09/18 09:54:43
Subject: ever gotten frustrated with someone when playing?
I'm amazed how many people put up with nonsense when playing at stores.
If anyone tries shenanigans with me they called out on it. I'm not out for conflict but you have to be seen to stand up for yourself. This isn't Internet Forum Warrior style - I'm not a black belt in some ancient forbidden martial art nor am I a seven foot, 20 stone rugby player.
Everyone makes mistakes (I usually forget that Cold Ones are Stupid, for example), but if by turn two your opponent is benefiting from your incredible sportsmanship whilst denying you every last little thing then start playing accordingly.
"I can be a massive jerk too, son... now watch THIS... "
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2014/09/18 12:05:22
Subject: ever gotten frustrated with someone when playing?
cryptek- the solution to your problem is easy to fix for the warmahordes group. Use the timed turns or deathclock rules from the Steamroller packet. That will clear up those slow turns in no time (no pun intended).
2014/09/18 13:43:16
Subject: ever gotten frustrated with someone when playing?
We don't have the cheating or complete jack asses locally, but I do have a guy who does play-by-play with every die roll, including his opponent's. He is a smarter, nerdy dude so it is grating, especially when he is winning. The one saving grace is that he always says "I can be annoying, let me know and I will stop." LOL
Yeah, that is about the worst we have here, I guess. It is a really good shop of players.
2014/09/18 13:58:05
Subject: ever gotten frustrated with someone when playing?
Recently I have been a little more weary of going into the shop for a random game. There are 2 people I really don't want to play against, and when it is just you, and one of them in the shop, your options are limited.
I get over it by just doing it. I played one of the 2 last night, it was pretty terrible. I actually had to swap out my greater unclean one for a different model. His reason was that he is a druid and the old GUO has antlers as a mockery of druid religion. My GUO doesn't have antlers, but like, 30% of my plaguebearers do, and nurgle is technically the god of life and death in 40k. but just so many little things that I could barely keep from just walking away.
I actually quit about 5 years ago because there was no one worth a damn to play with where I was living. Find one or two cool people and the hobby is more than worth it.
The game was filled with "speed rolling" on his side, and the shadiest stuff. He would roll on the opposite corner of the table and pick up the dice before I could see the roll. I was able to see quite a few failed saves nabbed up before he thought I saw. I called him out and his response was "some kid colored in the white spots black, so it looked like a 2 when it was a 3" I wanted to slap him in the mouth.
Yeah, he frustrated the heck out of me, but he is the only person in the past year or so to frustrate me that much while playing.
gwarsh41 wrote: Recently I have been a little more weary of going into the shop for a random game. There are 2 people I really don't want to play against, and when it is just you, and one of them in the shop, your options are limited.
I get over it by just doing it. I played one of the 2 last night, it was pretty terrible. I actually had to swap out my greater unclean one for a different model. His reason was that he is a druid and the old GUO has antlers as a mockery of druid religion. My GUO doesn't have antlers, but like, 30% of my plaguebearers do, and nurgle is technically the god of life and death in 40k. but just so many little things that I could barely keep from just walking away.
I actually quit about 5 years ago because there was no one worth a damn to play with where I was living. Find one or two cool people and the hobby is more than worth it.
The game was filled with "speed rolling" on his side, and the shadiest stuff. He would roll on the opposite corner of the table and pick up the dice before I could see the roll. I was able to see quite a few failed saves nabbed up before he thought I saw. I called him out and his response was "some kid colored in the white spots black, so it looked like a 2 when it was a 3" I wanted to slap him in the mouth.
Yeah, he frustrated the heck out of me, but he is the only person in the past year or so to frustrate me that much while playing.
You had to swap out your GUO because he was a mockery to druidism? In other words, he didn't want to face it. I would rather skip out on playing all together than deal with a knucklehead like that. I got sick of 40k, but fortunately it ISN'T because of our local players. Locally, we have a FB page where people set up games ahead of time so we know who we will play on a given day, with random pick-ups being rare (but still not bad, there might be 20-30 players who play around here, tops... so it isn't like we don't all know each other), and also not that bad.
The FB page isn't a bad idea for you, though, if you can make it happen. I would even say it is good for all stores, if for no other reason than to make a "matchmaking service" so that you don't waste your time packing all your junk just to go to an empty store, or be forced to play the guy you don't want to play.
2014/09/18 17:10:05
Subject: ever gotten frustrated with someone when playing?
monders wrote: I'm amazed how many people put up with nonsense when playing at stores.
If anyone tries shenanigans with me they called out on it. I'm not out for conflict but you have to be seen to stand up for yourself. This isn't Internet Forum Warrior style - I'm not a black belt in some ancient forbidden martial art nor am I a seven foot, 20 stone rugby player.
Everyone makes mistakes (I usually forget that Cold Ones are Stupid, for example), but if by turn two your opponent is benefiting from your incredible sportsmanship whilst denying you every last little thing then start playing accordingly.
"I can be a massive jerk too, son... now watch THIS... "
This.
I cannot fathom how some people in this thread just put up with these shenanigans.
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2014/09/18 17:40:32
Subject: ever gotten frustrated with someone when playing?
Cryptek of Awesome wrote: [spoiler]
Warmahordes players rarely confuse the game rules or unit rules (either because those rules are clearer, or because they take the time to learn them better) but they are real sticklers for every physical movement on the board. Fun-destroyingly picky in some cases.
...snip...
the half a mm between shield wall models that can’t actually touch because of massive overhanging models is question – shield wall is gone, guns can fire through that half mm. Every angle is questioned despite my opponent never looking over the table birds eye view or using a line or laser. Even if I give my opponent multiple concessions – sure I know you meant to be in the forest,
When playing a stickler, I think you might find it helpful to point out positioning disagreements before completing the movement. I have a lax guy I play against. I point out to him if his toe is/not in the woods and did he want to leave cover/have to take a dangerous terrain test as the case may be, vs bumping it a mm over. When I'm dipping a toe in cover, I call that out as well "on the edge, still in cover".
It's like announcing "these guys shoot at that unit, BS4 hitting on 3's, S4 wounding T4 on 4's right?" so he can tell me if he's got a Nurgle mark or whatever, when rolling dice". Some people are cool and you don't need to do that, but its a good habit either way. SO if you end up playing a new (to you) guy - go ahead and point out that you think your shield wall is contiguous and let him object while it's still your movement phase if he wants you to squeeze another mm closer, so you either can, or can point out why the models themselves can't.
I can play with loose measurement or meticulous measurement, I just want us to play the same way in a given game, not be told my sponsons stick out and thus prevent my predator from crossing a bridge. If your sabretusk can march block me by a hair, you better believe my eagles will prevent you from pivoting through a gap between buildings too
2014/09/18 17:52:12
Subject: ever gotten frustrated with someone when playing?
Not really. My first match is actually a perfect guildelines on what should I add to my 500 pts IG army.... Against orks with two 'platoons' of Deff gun (?? an ork weapon that combines flamethrower with machine guns.. outranges Heavybolter and hurls more shots per each attack (but it's not really accurate! demn lucky dices that made them deadly and almost chew my IG army except my CCS)
Strombones wrote: My favorite moment was back in 5th when I was playing my very boring space marines of tac squads and a land speeder against tyranids. We set the game up and I'm about to take my first turn when the guy stops me and says hold on let me adjust the terrain a bit I say sure go for it. He grabs a handful of single trees and lays them spaced out in a straight line right in front of my deployment zone. My entire army is now shooting thru a single line of trees that give home a cover save. I just kinda looked around and thought is this actually happening. It was like my second pickup game ever so I wasn't sure how to deal with it. After he finished putting the trees down we just kind a stared at each other in awkward silence for 30 seconds.
I hope you've learned since then. You have to give the guy kudos for the balls to try it.
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gwarsh41 wrote: Recently I have been a little more weary of going into the shop for a random game. There are 2 people I really don't want to play against, and when it is just you, and one of them in the shop, your options are limited. I get over it by just doing it. I played one of the 2 last night, it was pretty terrible. I actually had to swap out my greater unclean one for a different model. His reason was that he is a druid and the old GUO has antlers as a mockery of druid religion. My GUO doesn't have antlers, but like, 30% of my plaguebearers do, and nurgle is technically the god of life and death in 40k. but just so many little things that I could barely keep from just walking away. I actually quit about 5 years ago because there was no one worth a damn to play with where I was living. Find one or two cool people and the hobby is more than worth it. The game was filled with "speed rolling" on his side, and the shadiest stuff. He would roll on the opposite corner of the table and pick up the dice before I could see the roll. I was able to see quite a few failed saves nabbed up before he thought I saw. I called him out and his response was "some kid colored in the white spots black, so it looked like a 2 when it was a 3" I wanted to slap him in the mouth.
Yeah, he frustrated the heck out of me, but he is the only person in the past year or so to frustrate me that much while playing.
Life is too short to play heads. If you don't want to play him, just refuse to play him. You can be polite about it, or you can act like Frazzled would.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2014/09/18 18:48:46
Subject: ever gotten frustrated with someone when playing?
When playing a stickler, I think you might find it helpful to point out positioning disagreements before completing the movement. I have a lax guy I play against. I point out to him if his toe is/not in the woods and did he want to leave cover/have to take a dangerous terrain test as the case may be, vs bumping it a mm over. When I'm dipping a toe in cover, I call that out as well "on the edge, still in cover".
This is actually good practice when playing anyone. No matter how much the rules try to nail down what terrain is/does, there's going to be grey areas in gaming. Simply announcing. "This guy here is moving into cover" or "I'm moving this tank here to get partial cover" or "this guy is at the edge of cover, but still within" often followed by asking for assent from your opponent lets the opponent know what you're doing and gives them a chance to object. Helps everyone to be on the same page and saves alot of confusion or arguments (if you play with "that kind" of person) later.
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People may complain about adolescents and younger teens a lot (I am personally in late teens) and occasionally I must agree but in my experience the worst are the very old players. Not all of them are bad and there are plenty of nice friendly ones but I have a bad habit of running into some real donkey-caves. A few of them just spend the whole game insulting you for A) being under 18 B) having a crappy list/bad or no painjob/badly assembled/not having a large list (I'm not made of money.) After playing these kinds of people I always feel like quitting the game.
2014/09/18 20:17:22
Subject: ever gotten frustrated with someone when playing?
Bronzefists42 wrote: People may complain about adolescents and younger teens a lot (I am personally in late teens) and occasionally I must agree but in my experience the worst are the very old players. Not all of them are bad and there are plenty of nice friendly ones but I have a bad habit of running into some real donkey-caves. A few of them just spend the whole game insulting you for A) being under 18 B) having a crappy list/bad or no painjob/badly assembled/not having a large list (I'm not made of money.) After playing these kinds of people I always feel like quitting the game.
Strange, I don't remember playing you, but if you're under 18 I'm sure thats a crappy paint job. I see almost no orange on your orks!
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2014/09/18 20:24:05
Subject: ever gotten frustrated with someone when playing?
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2014/09/18 20:31:49
Subject: ever gotten frustrated with someone when playing?
When playing a stickler, I think you might find it helpful to point out positioning disagreements before completing the movement. I have a lax guy I play against. I point out to him if his toe is/not in the woods and did he want to leave cover/have to take a dangerous terrain test as the case may be, vs bumping it a mm over. When I'm dipping a toe in cover, I call that out as well "on the edge, still in cover".
This is actually good practice when playing anyone. No matter how much the rules try to nail down what terrain is/does, there's going to be grey areas in gaming. Simply announcing. "This guy here is moving into cover" or "I'm moving this tank here to get partial cover" or "this guy is at the edge of cover, but still within" often followed by asking for assent from your opponent lets the opponent know what you're doing and gives them a chance to object. Helps everyone to be on the same page and saves alot of confusion or arguments (if you play with "that kind" of person) later.
I concur. It is a good habit no matter what game or who you are playing. It helps avoid confusion and make sthe games run much smoother.
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2014/09/18 20:41:55
Subject: ever gotten frustrated with someone when playing?
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2014/09/18 20:52:40
Subject: ever gotten frustrated with someone when playing?
Someone mentioned earlier an old fart using 2nd ed rules... They're the first ones I learnt off by heart, and what I still occasionally refer to. Also see 3rd ed WHFB... Oops.
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2014/09/18 21:52:27
Subject: ever gotten frustrated with someone when playing?
monders wrote: I'm amazed how many people put up with nonsense when playing at stores.
If anyone tries shenanigans with me they called out on it. I'm not out for conflict but you have to be seen to stand up for yourself. This isn't Internet Forum Warrior style - I'm not a black belt in some ancient forbidden martial art nor am I a seven foot, 20 stone rugby player.
Everyone makes mistakes (I usually forget that Cold Ones are Stupid, for example), but if by turn two your opponent is benefiting from your incredible sportsmanship whilst denying you every last little thing then start playing accordingly.
"I can be a massive jerk too, son... now watch THIS... "
This.
I cannot fathom how some people in this thread just put up with these shenanigans.
I've spent too many years playing & officiating high level competitive ice hockey to get into massive in-game arguments over toy soldiers.
Sure I may call someone out when they're being a raging donkey-cave, but overall, I'm too tired of conflict in the name of 'uber competitiveness to care more than just a quick, "cool, you win this d*** measuring contest - congrats at being a bigger monkey" and just pack-up.
When someone who's taken a friendly game of toy soldiers so seriously that they've resorted to d-bag abuses such as T1 Warp Quake the entire table, or pulling out an Alarielle Light Coven, I just refuse to play them after the first time.
I've seen too much ugliness in the name of hyper competitive 'win at all costs' to get into a game of one-upmanship of "who's the bigger jerk?!"
2014/09/18 22:50:51
Subject: ever gotten frustrated with someone when playing?
What i hear you saying is that I could just bring a knight titan army and tell him it has a special rule that superheavy's win the game on the roll of a 2+ at the begging of each turn, rerollable and he would believe it?
Not that extreme, but I bet you could make some stuff up and as long as it was somewhat believable it would fly. He uses a helldrake and daemon prices and when I brought up with my winged hive tyrant I was swooping and vector striking - he didn't know what that was. I was pointing it out in the rulebook and he just responded with something along the lines of 'I didn't feel like reading all that new stuff'
2014/09/19 00:48:30
Subject: ever gotten frustrated with someone when playing?
Life is too short to play heads. If you don't want to play him, just refuse to play him. You can be polite about it, or you can act like Frazzled would.
Unleash a herd of short-legged hounds of hell on them?
GamesWorkshop wrote: And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!
2014/09/19 11:42:45
Subject: ever gotten frustrated with someone when playing?
monders wrote: I'm amazed how many people put up with nonsense when playing at stores.
If anyone tries shenanigans with me they called out on it. I'm not out for conflict but you have to be seen to stand up for yourself. This isn't Internet Forum Warrior style - I'm not a black belt in some ancient forbidden martial art nor am I a seven foot, 20 stone rugby player.
Everyone makes mistakes (I usually forget that Cold Ones are Stupid, for example), but if by turn two your opponent is benefiting from your incredible sportsmanship whilst denying you every last little thing then start playing accordingly.
"I can be a massive jerk too, son... now watch THIS... "
This.
I cannot fathom how some people in this thread just put up with these shenanigans.
I've spent too many years playing & officiating high level competitive ice hockey to get into massive in-game arguments over toy soldiers.
Sure I may call someone out when they're being a raging donkey-cave, but overall, I'm too tired of conflict in the name of 'uber competitiveness to care more than just a quick, "cool, you win this d*** measuring contest - congrats at being a bigger monkey" and just pack-up.
When someone who's taken a friendly game of toy soldiers so seriously that they've resorted to d-bag abuses such as T1 Warp Quake the entire table, or pulling out an Alarielle Light Coven, I just refuse to play them after the first time.
I've seen too much ugliness in the name of hyper competitive 'win at all costs' to get into a game of one-upmanship of "who's the bigger jerk?!"
Life is too short to play heads. If you don't want to play him, just refuse to play him. You can be polite about it, or you can act like Frazzled would.
Unleash a herd of short-legged hounds of hell on them?
Exactly. Plus they are dual purpose. While they are busy stripping the flesh from the offenders bones, they will also attract every cute co-ed in a five block radius.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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heads. If you don't want to play him, just refuse to play him. You can be polite about it, or you can act like Frazzled would. 
