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 Paradigm wrote:

 Red_Starrise wrote:
Metal death company.

Oh, that's a tough one. I do love the motion and 'speed' of the sculpts, but the new ones have soooo many wonderful bits.

I just don't care for the over blinged new ones. The old ones were blingy but just enough so. Kinda like the old sw. The bling was just better looking I guess.

You can say that about a lot of newer marine stuff. Too much bling, often in the form of scroll work .

I'll second Plaguebearers. Also can't stand the pint-sized Skull Pass era Night Goblins next to the old multi-part ones.

BAN wrote:
I honestly think the quality at the moment is streets ahead of anything ever. The versatility of the plastic kits leaves endless kitbashing opportunities and so much possibility. The old stuff is boring and mono-pose... There is nothing worse than a group of 10 models that all look the same, the new kits give you the opportunity to genuinely make 10 different models out of what you are given.

I know what you mean. It's a bit of a paradox for me -On one hand I want the limitless combinations of the modern era plastic kits -like you do- with ammo pouches, water bottles and all the extras, to put wherever the hell I want, but on the other hand I miss some of those old single pose models because they just had a unique je ne sais quoi about them. Probably the reason is that each of those sculpts were made with little regard to universal compatibility and reusability of components, so in in short every scace marine captain model ever sculpted had subtle differences to each of the other captains (whwther it was slimmer shoulder pads or a different shaped helmet). That's one thing that's unavoidably lost in mass produced CAD-designed plastics


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 sockwithaticket wrote:
You can say that about a lot of newer marine stuff. Too much bling, often in the form of scroll work .

That extra detail can be a bit of a liability when reposing legs and arms, or otherwise converting -I'm learning that the hard way.


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It's interesting that a number of people prefer the old rhino hull based kits, as that's one kit that I hands down prefer the newer version of. But it just goes to show -to each their own.

 thegreatchimp wrote:


That extra detail can be a bit of a liability when reposing legs and arms, or otherwise converting -I'm learning that the hard way.


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It's interesting that a number of people prefer the old rhino hull based kits, as that's one kit that I hands down prefer the newer version of. But it just goes to show -to each their own.

ForgeWorld noticed it too. I am seeing alot of the new HH rhinos on the table. something about the design especially the whirlwind launchers just feels "right" on the old stuff.

As Azrael said, Daemonettes. the fething daemonettes.



They're much more seductive and beautiful, the exposed breasts honestly add more to Slaanesh being the whole prince of pleasure and stuff, but they're still scary with their claws and stuff like that, compared to the newer edition Daemonettes with their weird face wrinkles, and single covered breath (If they're Daemonettes, why do they all have only one breast?)

I might just buy the old metal daemonettes for my Chaos army as opposed to the newer ones, to be honest

I think you're kinda missing the whole thing of Slaanesh there Daggy.

It's not all just sex, drugs and rock n' roll. Yes, that's one facet of Slaanesh. But He's the Lord of sensation and emotions. Pleasure and pain. Gaudy colours and sound.

Slaanesh, like it's minions is androgynous. Hence the single covered breast. It's actually a recurring theme on Slaanesh models. It's also why the current daemonettes are far less feminine and (comparatively) far more "ugly" then their older counterparts. Lithe and sensuous they may be. But that doesn't mean they have to be busty and female.

Yes, the Juan Diaz daemonettes are better looking then the current one, I agree. In my mind, the reason the current daemonettes can't stand up to the old ones is because they lack nearly all sense of movement. The old ones are full of poise and grace and you do get a sense of movement from them. The current ones are just standing around looking for something to do. Plus they all have lobster claws. It leaves no room for them to wield daggers and other weapons. (Like the old ones do)
There's nothing inherently wrong with the current ones though. If they were the only daemonettes we'd had then people would think they were the bees knees. It's just Juan Diaz sculpted killer looks models which were replaced with models that were/are perceived as being sub-par. Probably due to them not having as many boobs on show.



Also to kind of keep it on topic...
These noise marines.


Can never be as good as these noise marines.

 Daggy-Chan wrote:
As Azrael said, Daemonettes. the fething daemonettes.



They're much more seductive and beautiful, the exposed breasts honestly add more to Slaanesh being the whole prince of pleasure and stuff, but they're still scary with their claws and stuff like that, compared to the newer edition Daemonettes with their weird face wrinkles, and single covered breath (If they're Daemonettes, why do they all have only one breast?)

I might just buy the old metal daemonettes for my Chaos army as opposed to the newer ones, to be honest

Aesthetics aside, a reduction from 6 boobs to 2 is always going to cause disappointment!

 thegreatchimp wrote:

BAN wrote:
I honestly think the quality at the moment is streets ahead of anything ever. The versatility of the plastic kits leaves endless kitbashing opportunities and so much possibility. The old stuff is boring and mono-pose... There is nothing worse than a group of 10 models that all look the same, the new kits give you the opportunity to genuinely make 10 different models out of what you are given.

I know what you mean. It's a bit of a paradox for me -On one hand I want the limitless combinations of the modern era plastic kits -like you do- with ammo pouches, water bottles and all the extras, to put wherever the hell I want, but on the other hand I miss some of those old single pose models because they just had a unique je ne sais quoi about them. Probably the reason is that each of those sculpts were made with little regard to universal compatibility and reusability of components, so in in short every scace marine captain model ever sculpted had subtle differences to each of the other captains (whwther it was slimmer shoulder pads or a different shaped helmet). That's one thing that's unavoidably lost in mass produced CAD-designed plastics

I feel that a lot of people just can't get pose right and make plastics look worse than metal.

I've got three WraithLords here, the one I posed is just awesome and you can totally feel the movement just by looking at him.
He's got a bunch of weapons and the blade and really looks threatening.
Then the two others are... I don't know. One of them seems to be lost on the battlefield and the other one has his arm out for no reason and most of their limbs are in weird positions. Both have shuriken catapults and one single bright lance. And they look so pitiful they don't deserve the Fear USR.

Most Dire Avengers I've bought second hand are posed like the old metal ones.
Mine have two guns each as long as supplies last, dynamic poses, etc. They look alive and kicking, not just waiting for a battle on a shelf.


A lot of the plastic is what you make of it, and unless you use the kits to the fullest and take advantage of the easy conversions, some metal sculpts will still be better.

After all they're converted and posed by professionals.

morgoth wrote:


Most Dire Avengers I've bought second hand are posed like the old metal ones.
Mine have two guns each as long as supplies last, dynamic poses, etc. They look alive and kicking, not just waiting for a battle on a shelf.

A lot of the plastic is what you make of it, and unless you use the kits to the fullest and take advantage of the easy conversions, some metal sculpts will still be better.

After all they're converted and posed by professionals.

Quite right. I spend a ridiculous amount of time deciding on and setting up poses -and trimming components to make it possible. I think it's well worth it for the end result though. I'll hold to it that there are some poses on the old metals which would be extremely challenging to replicate by converting from multi part modern kits...but yes, maybe those poses are attainable to a converter with enough acquired skill.

 thegreatchimp wrote:

morgoth wrote:


Most Dire Avengers I've bought second hand are posed like the old metal ones.
Mine have two guns each as long as supplies last, dynamic poses, etc. They look alive and kicking, not just waiting for a battle on a shelf.

A lot of the plastic is what you make of it, and unless you use the kits to the fullest and take advantage of the easy conversions, some metal sculpts will still be better.

After all they're converted and posed by professionals.

Quite right. I spend a ridiculous amount of time deciding on and setting up poses -and trimming components to make it possible. I think it's well worth it for the end result though. I'll hold to it that there are some poses on the old metals which would be extremely challenging to replicate by converting from multi part modern kits...but yes, maybe those poses are attainable to a converter with enough acquired skill.

I really didn't think about replicating the metal poses, but the vast freedom of pose that you get with the plastic kits enables a lot of other poses than can be just as great

One of the things you can do with mono-pose is have body parts interact. In the SoB range there is a girl pulling the pin of a grenade with her teeth. Not a pose easy to replicate in plastic bits (even for armies with plastic). Now the plastics are getting better. I love the arm resting on the hilt of a power sword bit from the sternguard kit.

Yes, there are people who can bend plastic to their will and do amazing things. But when you need to re-build half the model with green stuff, you are at a vastly different level of the hobby then most of us.