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blaktoof wrote:
you want someone to cite where models gain the benefit of special rules they have?

cite where it shows you gain the benefit of special rules you don't have.

I have. The unit gains the special rule. Show me a rule saying that an attached IC can't benefit form a rule the unit has.
You've asserted - multiple times - that one exists. Prove it.

its a permissive rules set, you have to actually show how a model is benefiting from a rule it does not have, that does not state it benefits models in the unit if at least one model has it.

of course you cannot because you are completely incorrect.

OopsIjustdid. Sorry about that.

99% of these arguments seem to be related to an inability to understand the difference between models and units.

If I have a 5 man Terminator Squad chosen as part of an NSF Detachment with an attached Jump Pack IC chosen as part of an Allied Blood Angels Detachment, I have the following...

One Unit chosen as part of an NSF Detachment

Since the NSF rule only cares about the Unit, the models in the Unit are irrelevant.

Consider this scenario...

I'm playing with a Unit composed of 5 Grey Knight Termies and 3 attached ICs from other Factions.
It's a GK Termies Unit.
All 5 GKs die, but each IC looks at the Unit and sees other models still there that count as a part of the Unit for all rules purposes, so they don't split off and become their own unit yet. You still have a GK Termie Unit... with no GK Termies in it. This is possible because the Unit itself doesn't care what models are in the unit. It only cares that it still has enough models in it to exist.

As predicted - Blaktoof making up and misapplying rules, and failing to understand the difference between a unit and a model.

Any more pages of their bickering before lock?

The rule was proven page one, it works. Nothing Blaktoof will post in any of these threads can change the actual rules.

It's times like this I really wish GW would make a distinction between the Deep Strike methods.
I mean really Teleporting (Terminators) units should not be able to arrive togther with "Falling out of the Sky" (Jump Pack) models.
While RaW I see nothing preventing this, HIWPI is a firm NO.

 grendel083 wrote:
It's times like this I really wish GW would make a distinction between the Deep Strike methods.
I mean really Teleporting (Terminators) units should not be able to arrive togther with "Falling out of the Sky" (Jump Pack) models.
While RaW I see nothing preventing this, HIWPI is a firm NO.

What if it's a Terminator IC? Does that change your HYWPI?

Keep your fluff outta my rules!

But seriously, it would be great to have a Deep Strike (Teleportation), Deep Strike (Jump Descent), Deep Strike (Conjuration), etc. to differentiate the fluff methods with an addendum to the rules that all models in a Deep Striking unit must have the same Deep Strike (Type). Unfortunately, this is not a thing.

rigeld2 wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:
It's times like this I really wish GW would make a distinction between the Deep Strike methods.
I mean really Teleporting (Terminators) units should not be able to arrive togther with "Falling out of the Sky" (Jump Pack) models.
While RaW I see nothing preventing this, HIWPI is a firm NO.

What if it's a Terminator IC? Does that change your HYWPI?

Terminator IC attached to a Terminator unit?
I'd have no problem with that. They're clearly using the same Teleportarium to arrive.

My issue is the lack of distinction between the Deep Striking types. There's no way a Jump Pack character could arrive with Terminators. Same issue with claiming to use "Rites of Teleportation" with Drop Pods. When it comes to gameplay and HIWPI I do inject a bit of fluff into it. Forge a narrative and all that.

As I said, RaW I can't see any problem, but it's a step too far for actual gameplay personally.

 grendel083 wrote:
There's no way a Jump Pack character could arrive with Terminators.

Teleportation isn't a feature of Terminator armor. It's a combat doctrine. Anyone can use the teleporters.

It'd be nice if the rules reflected that though. Poor Azrael, not even allowed to teleport with his Deathwing.

rigeld2 wrote:

blaktoof wrote:
you want someone to cite where models gain the benefit of special rules they have?

cite where it shows you gain the benefit of special rules you don't have.

I have. The unit gains the special rule. Show me a rule saying that an attached IC can't benefit form a rule the unit has.
You've asserted - multiple times - that one exists. Prove it.

its a permissive rules set, you have to actually show how a model is benefiting from a rule it does not have, that does not state it benefits models in the unit if at least one model has it.

of course you cannot because you are completely incorrect.

OopsIjustdid. Sorry about that.

you have no permission to benefit from rules that model does not have, the rule does not say it benefits the unit if any model or a model has it, as has been shown that is required.

you need to find the wording along the lines of :

If a unit contains at least one model with this special rule,

or

A unit that contains at least one model with this special rule

or

Units containing one or more models with the Fearless special rule

or

notice the trend where a special rule that actually benefits all the models in the unit is required to state some kind of wording about it benefiting the entire unit if at least a model or one model has the special rule...interesting.

amazing..

btw nice troll post.

Round and round and round we go



And knock it off with the personal attacks from both sides.