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 agnosto wrote:
So, no incarnate of the maw?

The only things that are getting "Incarnates" are the actual Winds of Magic, so no "Incarnates of the Maw", "Incarnates of High Magic", "Incarnates of Dark Magic", etc.

If it's army specific, it's not a Wind of Magic.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 melkorthetonedeaf wrote:
Why not bet which month is next too?

Next month is OnG.

Wurrzag's getting some proverbial screen time.

He's going to get a suped up Grimgor and Skarsnik.

I meant, like, February or March...... trollfail

 Kanluwen wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
So, no incarnate of the maw?

The only things that are getting "Incarnates" are the actual Winds of Magic, so no "Incarnates of the Maw", "Incarnates of High Magic", "Incarnates of Dark Magic", etc.

If it's army specific, it's not a Wind of Magic.

Bummer. Ogres is sad.

 agnosto wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
So, no incarnate of the maw?

The only things that are getting "Incarnates" are the actual Winds of Magic, so no "Incarnates of the Maw", "Incarnates of High Magic", "Incarnates of Dark Magic", etc.

If it's army specific, it's not a Wind of Magic.

Bummer. Ogres is sad.

The Lore of Beasts and Death are currently unaccounted for, so it could be that we see some Ogre Butcher becoming the "Incarnate of Death" or "Incarnate of Beasts".

 Kanluwen wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
So, no incarnate of the maw?

The only things that are getting "Incarnates" are the actual Winds of Magic, so no "Incarnates of the Maw", "Incarnates of High Magic", "Incarnates of Dark Magic", etc.

If it's army specific, it's not a Wind of Magic.

Bummer. Ogres is sad.

The Lore of Beasts and Death are currently unaccounted for, so it could be that we see some Ogre Butcher becoming the "Incarnate of Death" or "Incarnate of Beasts".

Rumour is beasts goes to Grimgor but seems a bit like sidelining gork and mork to me.

It does look like fire incarnate will change, due to the way the text specifically says it had settled for now with the slayer king.

Death is bound to the land of syvannia, Nagash is not an incarnate hes the new god of the dead.

Beasts going to Grimgor makes no sense at all.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Beasts going to Grimgor makes no sense at all.

Completely agree maybe it goes to lizardmen, didn't kroq survive the apocalypse of lustria in a force bubble?

Personally, I'm hoping it went to Skarloc and his Archers...

Zarryiosiad wrote:
One of us is going to look pretty stupid when Archaon's End of Times book comes out next month. I guess we'll find out which one of us it will be when it finally does!

Zarry

Except it's not out until March ?


So, have anything to back up these claims you're making ?


Edit: YOu know... i'm rethinking this.


I'm going to step out on a limb and say "It's at least plausible Tyrion is the Incarnate of Light."

Here's an excerpt from the Archaon End of Times book. Read it at your own risk.



Zarry

Does he come back to life?

Thought they said he'd come back as Khaine, if they tried to resurrect him.

I have no idea if Khaine (or the shadow of Khaine) comes with him. All I know is that he comes back, and is the Incarnate of Light.

Zarry

So Karl Franz is not the incarnate of Heavens. Look in the ET books of Khaine and Glottkin. The fall of Altdorf happens in Autumn 2525 (see page 81 of Glottkin) and the battle where Teclis unleashes the winds of Magic doesn't occur till Winter of 2526 (See Khaine page 79) over a year after Karl Franz becomes "Ascendant" so he is not the incarnate of Heavens.

Zarryiosiad wrote:
Here's an excerpt from the Archaon End of Times book. Read it at your own risk.

Spoiler:

"Tyrion"

Tyrion was glad of the opportunity for battle. Since his return from the dead, he had seen and heard much that defied belief, or overturned everything he had known in the years before. To be allied with Malekith, whilst at the same time unable to trust either Alarielle or Teclis, was almost more than the prince could bear."

Zarry

And your source?

Remains my own.

Zarry

Zarryiosiad wrote:
I have no idea if Khaine (or the shadow of Khaine) comes with him. All I know is that he comes back, and is the Incarnate of Light.

Zarry

Khaine does come back if Tyrion lives.

I'm not disagreeing with you on that, Avenger. I'm just saying that the text I have seen does not mention how or why he came back, nor if Khaine came with him. All it says is he's back, and he's on the Council of Incarnates as the Incarnate of Light.

Zarry

Zarryiosiad wrote:
Remains my own.

Zarry

Yeah...I'm sorry but don't expect people on this forum to believe your claims if you have nothing to back it up. If you have no sources to cite you have as much credibility as I have in me claiming that I'm the rightful Queen of England. Also my sources tell me that Tyrion DOES come back, but in a tearful reconciliatory moment with his brother Tyrion shanks him with his schlong and becomes one with him. THIS is how he becomes the Incarnate of Light as you so claim and unlike your leak my source also tells me that in doing so he leads the rest of the Incarnates in a Voltronesque battle mode where Tyrion rides on top, Karl Franz is the mount, Ungrim Ironfist is the beard and the rest are the arms and legs.

Zarryiosiad wrote:
and I'm going to let the rumor sites reveal what they want, when they want, out of appreciation for the thankless job they do every day. They deserve it.

Zarry

ROFLMAO.

"Tyrion"

Tyrion was glad of the opportunity for battle. Since his return from the dead, he had seen and heard much that defied belief, or overturned everything he had known in the years before. To be allied with Malekith, whilst at the same time unable to trust either Alarielle or Teclis, was almost more than the prince could bear."

You know thats not proof of anything, right? Anyone can put things in quotes and claim its real...

You guys are under two mistaken impressions. #1, I am not a journalist, and this is not a newspaper. Providing citation and revealing my source is not necessary on a forum. Would it lend me credibility if I were to give you proof? Maybe. Or maybe I would be accused of trying to pull the wool over your eyes with a clever photoshop. Or MAYBE, I would be accused of distributing stolen material. Either way I choose not to find out. #2, I don't owe you an explanation. I've told you what I know, and if you don't believe me, that's your prerogative. So far on this thread I've been accused of talking out of my ass, and called a troll. Not to mention being generally dismissed in various rude and demeaning ways. That's fine. Keep digging those holes. When Archaon breaks, and you find out I was right all along, I'm going to come right back to this thread and remind you of that fact, and I'm going to call you out by name when I do so. The quote I provided is proof, but proof that can't be confirmed until either the book is released, or the source is finally revealed. I put it there so you can come back to this thread when Archaon is released and see that I did indeed know exactly what I was talking about.

I've given you all I'm going to give you on this. If you don't want to believe the link I provided from Natfka's site, again, that's your prerogative. Some of you think that what he and Bell of Lost Souls does isn't work. I think that maintaining those sites and updating them multiple times a day, EVERY day, for the rich reward of being accused of spreading clickbait and being called a liar on a daily basis by ungrateful wretches who somehow think they are entitled to more, is not just work, it's a thankless task that I myself would never want to do. I appreciate what they do, and if and when they want to reveal more about Archaon, I'll be grateful to them for it, even if it turns out to be wrong.

Until then, whether you want to believe me or not, it doesn't change the fact that the Council of Incarnates is exactly the one I posted. Tyrion is alive, and Grimgor Ironhide is the Incarnate of Beasts.

Zarry

Gromgor wrote:So Karl Franz is not the incarnate of Heavens. Look in the ET books of Khaine and Glottkin. The fall of Altdorf happens in Autumn 2525 (see page 81 of Glottkin) and the battle where Teclis unleashes the winds of Magic doesn't occur till Winter of 2526 (See Khaine page 79) over a year after Karl Franz becomes "Ascendant" so he is not the incarnate of Heavens.

You are correct about the dates but in White Dwarf #50 they have a timeline that places the undoing of the vortex at either late 2525 or early 2526 and the fall of Altdorf after that in early 2526. So it could be (and is likely) a retcon though it could fit if you think of winter as the first season and autumn as the last with the vortex being destroyed in autumn 2525 and everything after that happening in winter 2526.

Zarryiosiad wrote:You guys are under two mistaken impressions. #1, I am not a journalist, and this is not a newspaper. Providing citation and revealing my source is not necessary on a forum. Would it lend me credibility if I were to give you proof? Maybe. Or maybe I would be accused of trying to pull the wool over your eyes with a clever photoshop. Or MAYBE, I would be accused of distributing stolen material. Either way I choose not to find out. #2, I don't owe you an explanation. I've told you what I know, and if you don't believe me, that's your prerogative. So far on this thread I've been accused of talking out of my ass, and called a troll. Not to mention being generally dismissed in various rude and demeaning ways. That's fine. Keep digging those holes. When Archaon breaks, and you find out I was right all along, I'm going to come right back to this thread and remind you of that fact, and I'm going to call you out by name when I do so. The quote I provided is proof, but proof that can't be confirmed until either the book is released, or the source is finally revealed. I put it there so you can come back to this thread when Archaon is released and see that I did indeed know exactly what I was talking about.

I've given you all I'm going to give you on this. If you don't want to believe the link I provided from Natfka's site, again, that's your prerogative. Some of you think that what he and Bell of Lost Souls does isn't work. I think that maintaining those sites and updating them multiple times a day, EVERY day, for the rich reward of being accused of spreading clickbait and being called a liar on a daily basis by ungrateful wretches who somehow think they are entitled to more, is not just work, it's a thankless task that I myself would never want to do. I appreciate what they do, and if and when they want to reveal more about Archaon, I'll be grateful to them for it, even if it turns out to be wrong.

Until then, whether you want to believe me or not, it doesn't change the fact that the Council of Incarnates is exactly the one I posted. Tyrion is alive, and Grimgor Ironhide is the Incarnate of Beasts.

Zarry

Jesus dude. I only started this thread so we could have a discussion about who is likely to be the other two incarnates. Didn't want this to turn into a giant pissing contest.

KingGarland wrote:Jesus dude. I only started this thread so we could have a discussion about who is likely to be the other two incarnates. Didn't want this to turn into a giant pissing contest.

And I'm not trying to turn it into one either. You asked a simple question, and I gave you a direct answer. That should have been the end of it, but then the attacks began.

Here's another link confirming what I said.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/01/wfb-end-times-8-incarnates-revealed-spoilers.html

Zarry

Zarryiosiad wrote:

KingGarland wrote:Jesus dude. I only started this thread so we could have a discussion about who is likely to be the other two incarnates. Didn't want this to turn into a giant pissing contest.

And I'm not trying to turn it into one either. You asked a simple question, and I gave you a direct answer. That should have been the end of it, but then the attacks began.

Here's another link confirming what I said.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/01/wfb-end-times-8-incarnates-revealed-spoilers.html

Zarry

Guys, i know Zarry doesn't want to give up his source, but he would now be the fourth place I have heard this in the last 24 hours.

I think he's on to something.


Zarry, you have to understand, we're used to people just be-boppin' on in and spewing a bunch of nonsense. FWIW, i think this rumor has teeth. I feel bad for the dwarves, they're kinda getting the shaft on the Incarnate front, but if the rumors are true, i'm psyched ; Caradryan's one of my favorite characters, so I can't wait to see his incarnate rules.

Zarryiosiad wrote:
Balthasar Gelt is the Incarnate of Metal
Grimgor Ironhide is the Incarnate of Beasts
Tyrion is the Incarnate of Light
Caradryan is the Incarnate of Fire
Karl Franz is the Incarnate of Heavens
Nagash is the Incarnate of Death
Alarielle is the Incarnate of Life
Malekith is the Incarnate of Shadow

Those are the only ones I'm absolutely sure about.

Zarryiosiad

I'm starting to feel there is some real weight to this.

Grimgor and Balthasar aren't huge shocks. Caradryan usurping Ungrim isn't that big of a surprise, he had such a pivotal role in ET: Khaine and is one of the best Elf characters.

The real shocker is undoubtedly Tyrion. We know from Thanquol that Teclis stole the Flame of Ulric, but before that we last saw him be dragged underneath the sea while clutching Tyrion's corpse. This would explain why he bound Light into his staff and not himself; why bind a wind to himself or his staff if he was to go underwater? Obviously he had some ulterior motive, and resurrecting Tyrion - maybe the Flame of Ulric will purify Tyrion of the Curse of Khaine? - and further binding Light to him would be one heck of a plan. I always thought it was odd that Tyrion of all people would be killed off considering he and Teclis were the first true special characters. I'd imagine Tyrion would be far stronger even than his Avatar form if he becomes the Incarnate of Life, the guy just happens to be arguably the most proficient and deadly warrior in the Warhammer world fluff-wise. If I wanted someone to face off against the Chaos Gods, Tyrion - especially empowered by a Wind of Magic - would definitely be one of the first guys I would call.

Despite the tone of my posts, I do understand that, Haight. I wasn't trying to be mysterious. I simply didn't want to post my source. Apparently, politely refusing to divulge that information makes it okay to mock, ridicule and generally insult the person who makes the statement. I'll definitely remember that in the future.

Zarry

Zarryiosiad wrote:
Despite the tone of my posts, I do understand that, Haight. I wasn't trying to be mysterious. I simply didn't want to post my source. Apparently, politely refusing to divulge that information makes it okay to mock, ridicule and generally insult the person who makes the statement. I'll definitely remember that in the future.

Zarry

No, it was your general cocky attitude that caused people to 'mock' you. Which isn't what people were doing, but ok.

You're mistaking cockiness for surety. My original post was simply a list. And when someone decided that I was wrong and tried to correct me, I reasserted my position, upon which I was accused of "talking out of my ass", which I'm sorry to say certainly qualifies as mockery.

Zarry

Don't see how hes being cocky... Going to laugh my ass off if hes right.

I'm sure he is right. And he definitely was being cocky. Surety can be shown without the attitude.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I'm sure he is right. And he definitely was being cocky. Surety can be shown without the attitude.

This. Once people contradicted you, Zarry, you started with the "Wanna Bet?" and the "One of us is gonna look pretty stupid" jibes. That's straight up cockiness, not surety.