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 Pete Melvin wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:


Tonally, it looks very similar to Arrow, which is great; if it can match the quality of that in writing and acting as well, this could be a real cracker..

We must have watched very different shows...

You didn't like Arrow, then? Personally, I thought (going off what I've seen, Series 1 and 2) it was one of the most consistent shows that has been on in a long time (in recent years, Primeval, Sherlock and The Musketeers are the only series that have matched it in not having a bad episode), and has amazing production values thoughout.

But that is just an opinion, I'm not shooting you down.

Honestly all we need now is some pretty good 'dark' characters to cameo and we've got the gritty properties started off. Feige hinted at Punisher maybe showing up over a year ago when talking about getting the Daredevil rights back.

I honestly love the Arrow series- if they can pull off something like that here then I'll give Daredevil a shot. It'd also be nice to see Matt Murdock transition to a proper hero costume toward the end of the 1st season.

 -Loki- wrote:
Honestly all we need now is some pretty good 'dark' characters to cameo and we've got the gritty properties started off. Feige hinted at Punisher maybe showing up over a year ago when talking about getting the Daredevil rights back.

I'd love to see Punisher thrown in with Daredevil, maybe in the second series. Use the first series to set up DD as the dark-but-hopeful one, always willing to forgive (and maybe have him lose something/someone because of that 'weakness'), and then bring in Punisher as someone with a very different approach to the same goal. Have his 'take no prisoners' mentality get results that DD just can't with his self-imposed limits, and push him towards breaking those (although bviously not actually doing so, not killing is as fundamental a part of his character as it is Batman's).Giving Punisher something like that to work with, rather than 'all violence, all the time', would lead to some very interesting stuff.

 Paradigm wrote:
I actually haven't seen the original movie, but I hear it's pretty tragically bad.

I think this might do quite well. The success of The Dark Knight trilogy and Arrow have proven that the gritty, close-to-the-streets type of hero work well, and Daredevil is the epitome of that. The tough sell will be the blindness/radar vision side of it, and I'm interested to see whether they do some kind of POV/special effects shots for that, or simply imply it through the way he acts/moves and describes it.

If the dark knight trilogy prove anything, it's that batman is better off without the titular character. Titular meaning he's a giant tit.

 Paradigm wrote:

 Pete Melvin wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:


Tonally, it looks very similar to Arrow, which is great; if it can match the quality of that in writing and acting as well, this could be a real cracker..

We must have watched very different shows...

You didn't like Arrow, then? Personally, I thought (going off what I've seen, Series 1 and 2) it was one of the most consistent shows that has been on in a long time (in recent years, Primeval, Sherlock and The Musketeers are the only series that have matched it in not having a bad episode), and has amazing production values thoughout.

But that is just an opinion, I'm not shooting you down.

I thought Arrow was total bobbins, but then I also thought Primeval, Sherlock and The Musketeers were total bobbins as well. I think we must just have very different taste in TV. Also Cumberbatch looks too much like Admiral Ackbar for me to enjoy anything hes in.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Also haven't kept up but is this going to tie in with the Marvel Movie Universe like Agents of Shield does?

If by '... like Agents of SHIELD does.', you mean "on the outside looking in", then yes.

It might reference it, but the producers have said they have to 'earn' the crossover, which is a way of saying "We're involved, but we follow the leader, and don't make waves". Marvel TV is akin to Black Library or FFG - basically everything they do 'counts', but they don't get to do anything the main people don't want them to do.

That's exactly what I meant

I see Shield as a jump off/introductory show for the movies and something to keep interest. If they can use the DD series to introduce darker characters and kinda build up some non-avenger characters it'll be worth it.

Daredevils first two episodes were previewed and got outstanding reviews.

I very excite

I watched the first two episodes this morning and they live up to my expectations. Fight scenes are movie quality choreography, the first two episodes alone could have been slightly increased in scope and released as a movie that would be on par with the best super hero origin movies.

First look at the red costume



Looking forward to watching more tonight.

Rosario Dawsen and Vincent D'Onofrio. I'm impressed.

First couple of episodes were kinda slow, lots of talking and less on the "super" hero stuff. Aside from that, this is a hell of a lot better written than the Marvel movies.

There are references to rebuilding the city, a man in an iron suit or with a magic hammer so this is in the MCU but not in a "team up" sort of way. It's all low key and the Avengers' battles seem like somebody else's problem to this show.

If only SHIELD were written this well.

It'll do pig. It'll do. (it's really good).

I got to episode 3. And it keeps on hinting that Daredevil has emotions. WHY ARE YOU TOYING WITH ME SO?!

I'm on episode 5. Gonna stop for a day or two so I can absorb it a little better. This is definitely a thinking person's show.

I'm now on 10.

I can appreciate the twist, but Foggy? REALLY?!

Finished the season and I was pretty pleased. Way better than Agents of SHIELD, and I love how the series actually doesn't expect you to have seen the MCU movies to make heads or tails of the plot

Finished episode 2. If Green Arrow is the Bruce Lee of TV superheroes, Daredevil is the Jackie Chan- from the Legend of Drunken Master era. I am enjoying the desperate fights with jobbers and mooks more than I ought to.

Ok. Finished season 1. Dat suit tho'.

That ending was perfect. Literally perfect.

One of the things I really like is how he doesn't get right back up after falling through a couple of rotting floors in a three story warehouse. We know he won't die but he should invest in better plot armor anyway. Maybe something like what the Arrow has.

Watched the whole season this weekend.
I think it was pretty good. Ep. 11(?) was really slow, though.

I think the ending of Ep. 13 was weak. See spoiler.

 Hanskrampf wrote:
Watched the whole season this weekend.
I think it was pretty good. Ep. 11(?) was really slow, though.

I think the ending of Ep. 13 was weak. See spoiler.

Spoiler:

I think it should have ended either with the Kingpin imprisoned by the FBI and not freed, or freed and fleeing the country. The fight with Daredevil at the end was unneccesary and doesn't fit imho.

Based on the comics, that's what they both would have done.

IIRC, Kingpin's only ever been to prison once, and that's because he wanted to. He'd definitely not go somewhere he hasn't paid people off.

Stick's a dick. I think so, Murdock thinks so. Even Stick thinks so.

 Paradigm wrote:

 Pete Melvin wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:


Tonally, it looks very similar to Arrow, which is great; if it can match the quality of that in writing and acting as well, this could be a real cracker..

We must have watched very different shows...

You didn't like Arrow, then? Personally, I thought (going off what I've seen, Series 1 and 2) it was one of the most consistent shows that has been on in a long time (in recent years, Primeval, Sherlock and The Musketeers are the only series that have matched it in not having a bad episode), and has amazing production values thoughout.

But that is just an opinion, I'm not shooting you down.

I'm with Melvin on this. Although I'll concede that Arrow is very consistent - every episode is almost exactly the same . I don't think the acting in it's that great though - it's mostly just scowls and people saying in a very serious voice "Now we start fighting back" every time they get their ass kicked . I honestly much prefer Agents of SHIELD to Arrow (and Flash to either).

I did like Sherlock though (not seen the other shows you mentioned). Sill, am looking forward to this Daredevil when I have some time.
YMMV, though.

Honestly...I'm not getting the praise for this one. Agents may be pulpy, but it's entertaining and they only dick around with the payoffs when the movie schedule requires it of them, this series did nothing other than remind me why I'm glad the MCU movie-team have sworn off origin stories going forward.

After about five episodes of The Adventures of Pajama Man, I was ready to see some Daredevil but the show just kept disappointing me, apparently feeling the need to not just give us the origin story of T-shirt Ninja and Comedy Sidekick Boy, but for Kingpin as well. Well, sorry chum, I don't care how traumatic your childhood was, squishing a bloke's head with a car door pretty much puts you beyond sympathy from the non-sociopath audience demographic.

I'll have to concur with Bran that the order is looking like shaking out as Flash > Agents > Arrow > > > > This Drek in terms of quality(I rate Agents above Flash myself, but only because I prefer the MCU to DC's background).

Flash and Agents constantly switch places for me too. I like Arrow but it doesn't have the sense of humor about itself the other two do.

As for Dare Devil I enjoyed the first two episodes. I'll watch a few more over the next week or two. It's not AMAZING but it's interesting. Though I'm a little sad to hear the entire season is basically an origin story.

Am I the only one who think's Wilson Fisk is by far the best character in this show?

 Soladrin wrote:
Am I the only one who think's Wilson Fisk is by far the best character in this show?

Definitely... but Murdock is pretty damned good too imo.

Saw the first three episodes tonight, and so far, two thumbs up! The fight scenes are great, brilliantly coreographged and shot, and perhaps most importantly, only used when they have to be. Rather than just showing off that Murdock is a badass, each fight so far has actually meant something to the plot, which is rather refreshing. I also love the fact that he does take one hell of a beating when outnumbered or outmatched, rather than just wading through hordes of baddies and coming out unscathed. The corridor fight in ep2 with the Russians is a perfect example; aside from the fact he's the protagonist, there's never anything to suggest he'll actually win until the last guy hits the floor.

I also rather like the fact they don't labour the point of his powers or his 'secret identify', which are hinted at but not forced down our throats at all. The directing is neat too, very good use of shot and colour to build a perfect atmosphere for the show.

I don't think I'll compare it to Agents of SHIELD as the two are so radically different, but compared to its most similar companion Arrow, I think this has the potential to be a lot more focussed and tight.

 Paradigm wrote:

but compared to its most similar companion Arrow, I think this has the potential to be a lot more focussed and tight.

To be fair it doesn't have to appeal to teen girls like a show on CW does

 Hulksmash wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

but compared to its most similar companion Arrow, I think this has the potential to be a lot more focussed and tight.

To be fair it doesn't have to appeal to teen girls like a show on CW does

My S.O.'s eyes sure does glazes over whenever Oliver Queen does his workouts.

 Hulksmash wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

but compared to its most similar companion Arrow, I think this has the potential to be a lot more focussed and tight.

To be fair it doesn't have to appeal to teen girls like a show on CW does

That is very true. The (for want of a better word) 'girly' bits of Arrow are by far the weakest, whereas I don't see (in the 3 episodes I've watched) Daredevil getting bogged down in romance subplots and/or teen drama. The smaller main cast, the rather limited scale/scope and the fact that so far I'm not sure there's been an irrelevant scene put this level (and very potentially ahead of) Arrow, which I still think is great, but it's easy to look at DD and see where Arrow could be lot sharper (no pun intended).